Barack Obama or John McCain?

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My vote isn't wasted at all. I'm not writing someone like "Mickey Mouse" in, and I seriously do not think either of the two candidates will do a good job so they aren't getting my vote either. There's absolutely nothing wrong with voting for a non-right/left party.

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Aren't you Greek ?

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My vote isn't wasted at all. I'm not writing someone like "Mickey Mouse" in, and I seriously do not think either of the two candidates will do a good job so they aren't getting my vote either. There's absolutely nothing wrong with voting for a non-right/left party.

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I didn't say you're wasting your vote. Go ahead and vote third party. But vote third party because you LIKE THE CANDIDATE, not because you feel like he's the only option left.

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If they are undiscovered then how the hell do they know they are there?

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They're guestimating.

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no, there isn't, you just should have more of a reason than "He's neither Obama, McCain, or communist." as that says NOTHING on HIS ability to lead. you should clarify your reasons more.

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he matches my political views

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Aren't you Greek ?

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I am, but I'm a US citizen. Why do you ask?

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I am, but I'm a US citizen. Why do you ask?

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he was going to yell at you for arguing your point when you can't even vote in this election. which he would have a right to do.

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he was going to yell at you for arguing your point when you can't even vote in this election. which he would have a right to do.

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Everyone has a right to their opinion when it comes to the US election - no matter how old they are or what country they are in. It's their opinion, however it may not "matter" in the same way that our opinions do if we vote, it still should be listened to

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004

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What happened to Neoffex and his mate?

i miss them :(

Green technologies are more than ready to be implemented. The government wants to get as much money as it can out of oil before moving on.

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Gone for a day.

"Green" technologies are often more expensive/pollute more. I actually did a substantial amount of research on this subject. The only one that really is the best is Nuclear, which also has the worst products coming out of it.

Hydrogen Cell - How'd you like a bomb driving around? One of those bad boys could blow up a block and more. More expensive than gas.

Hydroelectric - VERY place-specific, and destroys the ecosystems. More expensive than gas.

Windmills - Cost a ridiculous amount of money and need to be replaced pretty often; aren't efficient

Biomass - Gives off..what was it..like 5x more CO2, in addition to causing mucho acid rain. I actually wore a shirt to my debate saying "Biomass kills babies". Also costs more than gas

Nuclear - Most efficient, but has the worst by-products, as soon as we could get proper disposal of nuclear waste then I would probably bet they would use that more often.

Oil - Plentiful and cheap(in comparison to others) for now.

Pardon if I left any out, but that's what I remember off the top of my head at 12 in the morning.

Nuclear energy efficiency has developed so much that there is about 1% of by product left over as there would have been around 20-50 years ago (not too sure).

Apparently you can work there for a good 20-25 years now with no problems. Nuclear is the way the country will have to go at some stage.

And oil will not be plentiful for long.

Nuclear sounds great, but you guys seem to be forgetting the risks involved with that. If you begin industrializing nuclear energy further and begin to build nuclear facilities all over the US, there is bound to be a problem and if something were to go wrong, there's no going back. Another Chernobyl disaster would be catastrophic. There's a lot of risks involved that people often forget about, or try to ignore.

Yes, but the risks have lessened DRAMATICALLY sine Chernobyl.

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Gone for a day.

Hydrogen Cell - How'd you like a bomb driving around? One of those bad boys could blow up a block and more. More expensive than gas.

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You obviously didnt do enough research :p.

Its only more expensive because there is not enough support for it.

(BTW, im only referring to car fuel. For general electricity, nuclear seems to be the way to go.)

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Safety:

Hydrogen is not commonly thought of as a safe fuel, this is in part due to the wide spread belief/myth that hydrogen is to blame for the Hindenburg disaster of 1937, but there is new evidence to discredit that theory. Brian, a NASA scientist at Cape Caneveral has discovered the real cause. “Neither the hydrogen in the hull nor a bomb was to blame, but a special fabric for the outer skin that, when ignited, burns like dry leaves” (DiChristina).

His suspicions of the Hindenburg fabric covering were raised when he learned that a cellulose nitrate (gun powder) dope with powdered aluminum (a fuel) might have been used on the Hindenburg. He was able to obtain a 60 year old piece of the fabric to test his hypothesis. Furthermore, a hydrogen flame is almost invisible in day light, it burns a light blue. We know from many eye witness accounts as well as actual photographs, that the flames were red and orange. This supports his theory that hydrogen was not the source of the flames (DiChristina).

He was able to prove his theory into fact, and the plaque in the Kennedy Space Center has been changed reading a more accurate portrayal of the history of the Hindenburg. It would appear that the Germans agree with his claim. German electrical engineer, Otto Beyersdorff, on 28 June 1937 wrote “The actual cause of the fire was the extreme easy flammability of the covering material brought about by discharges of an electrostatic nature” (DiChristina).

BMW has done extensive crash testing to prove the safety of its hydrogen vehicles, they tested their hydrogen tanks in a series of accident simulations that included collision, fire and tank ruptures. In all cases, the hydrogen cars fared better then conventional gasoline vehicles (Neil). This is due to the fact that when a hydrogen tank is ruptured the hydrogen quickly escapes harmlessly up into the atmosphere. Hydrogen also burns quickly, and must have the right ration of oxygen to hydrogen in order to be flammable, (a seven to one ration) pure hydrogen is not flammable. Therefore hydrogen is actually safer than gasoline.

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http://www.hydrogennow.org/Facts/Safety-1.htm

Hydrogen > gasoline.

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Oil - Plentiful and cheap(in comparison to others) for now.

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Again, only because its massively supported by the government.

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You obviously didnt do enough research :p.

Its only more expensive because there is not enough support for it.

(BTW, im only referring to car fuel. For general electricity, nuclear seems to be the way to go.)



http://www.hydrogennow.org/Facts/Safety-1.htm

Hydrogen > gasoline.



Again, only because its massively supported by the government.

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Like I said, for now. If we had the ability to switch over without destroying the economy, I would be all for it.

If only nuclear fusion could be implemented as well..

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Like I said, for now. If we had the ability to switch over without destroying the economy

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How would that destroy the economy? :S

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Gone for a day.

"Green" technologies are often more expensive/pollute more. I actually did a substantial amount of research on this subject. The only one that really is the best is Nuclear, which also has the worst products coming out of it.

Hydrogen Cell - How'd you like a bomb driving around? One of those bad boys could blow up a block and more. More expensive than gas.

Hydroelectric - VERY place-specific, and destroys the ecosystems. More expensive than gas.

Windmills - Cost a ridiculous amount of money and need to be replaced pretty often; aren't efficient

Biomass - Gives off..what was it..like 5x more CO2, in addition to causing mucho acid rain. I actually wore a shirt to my debate saying "Biomass kills babies". Also costs more than gas

Nuclear - Most efficient, but has the worst by-products, as soon as we could get proper disposal of nuclear waste then I would probably bet they would use that more often.

Oil - Plentiful and cheap(in comparison to others) for now.

Pardon if I left any out, but that's what I remember off the top of my head at 12 in the morning.

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Apart from the description of the hydrogen cell, that's pretty accurate.

I'm a huge supporter of nuclear power. If you do it right (and our navy is evidence that you can), it can be clean, safe, and incredibly efficient.

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How would that destroy the economy? :S

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bigtime oil companies provide millions of jobs, as well as revenue. Taking that away will dent the economy quite a bit. However, it needs to atleast be started, so that it can be gradual. The government seems intent on ignoring the fuel cell for as long as it can, which is what i hate.

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How would that destroy the economy? :S

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Because so many cars run on it, you would have to do it slowly.

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Apart from the description of the hydrogen cell, that's pretty accurate.

I'm a huge supporter of nuclear power. If you do it right (and our navy is evidence that you can), it can be clean, safe, and incredibly efficient.

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Yeah, there is a nuclear power plant like...eh...50 or so miles from my house, in that we live right next to a manmade lake that was originally meant to be a cooling bed for the power plant, but ended up a very nice lake. Energy out here, oh my gosh, is quite cheap and plentiful in comparison to when we lived in california, they charged us a ridiculous amount of money and our quota was about enough to do a load of laundry. I'm pretty sure if we found a way to dump the nuclear stuff in space without having it come back at us we could and would.

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I'm pretty sure if we found a way to dump the nuclear stuff in space without having it come back at us we could and would.

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:agriv:
one of the few situations were futurama-based solutions aren't accurate

we can't just shoot nuclear waste into space, it has to be stored

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Ah, I see. So it's ok if other people drill for oil in their land and we buy it, but then it's a terrible idea to drill for it ourselves and be, I dunno, energy independant?

Consider this. The source that we get for our main form of energy is from multiple nations mostly in the middle east, some of which who are very potentially hostile. If a war/conflict were to happen between us and that nation, what reason would they have to provide us with the oil we'll need to combat them? The fact is, we're relying on the energy resources other nations may still sell us, and we're buying it with the money that other nations may still loan us. Plain and simple: a good chunk of the worlds nations has our balls in a chain.

Oh, but you want alternative energy now, right? Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, but people don't understand how hard it is to switch over to it. We have so many refineries, power plants, motor factories and whatnots that are built for the use of fossil fuels. Hell, our nations infrastructure is meant for fossil fuels! To make new alternative energy refineries and plants (assuming that we even found a stable source of energy to begin with), and then finally implement it to take over gasolines place, could take decades.

Drilling off of our shores may not be a good idea, but it isn't exactly a bad one either.

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There is resistance against drilling in places such as Alaksa because much of it lies under wildlife areas.

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:agriv:
one of the few situations were futurama-based solutions aren't accurate

we can't just shoot nuclear waste into space, it has to be stored

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actually i dont think it would be a bad idea at all.

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:agriv:
one of the few situations were futurama-based solutions aren't accurate

we can't just shoot nuclear waste into space, it has to be stored

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Who says we can't store it in space? You know there are some pretty big planets, lol.

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Who says we can't store it in space? You know there are some pretty big planets, lol.

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not to be rude

but its ****ing 2008

where we gonna put it

THE MOON?

cuz thats the only one we can get too, and not cheap enough to run ruitine flights for storage purposes there

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not to be rude

but its ****ing 2008

where we gonna put it

THE MOON?

cuz thats the only one we can get too, and not cheap enough to run ruitine flights for storage purposes there

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Like I said, in the future. I know it can't be done now, thus the reason I'm still for using gas but start to mix other things into it.

Whoa..Store things in other planets. That's F'ing brilliant! Why have they not thought of this yet?

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Like I said, in the future. I know it can't be done now, thus the reason I'm still for using gas but start to mix other things into it.

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expect gas to be completely irrelevent by the time we can make weekly waste runs too the moon, or a more distant planet

also don't expect to see it in your own lifetime.

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expect gas to be completely irrelevent by the time we can make weekly waste runs too the moon, or a more distant planet

also don't expect to see it in your own lifetime.

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80 or so years is a speck in time, lol.

why are we talking about planets when we have a 100,000 degree nuclear-fueled incinerator handy?

*cough* the sun *cough*

McCain's only hope right now at winning the election is Joe the Plumber...
... Oh wait I forgot he is neither a Plumber or a Joe.

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why are we talking about planets when we have a 100,000 degree nuclear-fueled incinerator handy?

*cough* the sun *cough*

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i thought to mention that but didn't know if it was viable

so i kept my mouth shut.

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why are we talking about planets when we have a 100,000 degree nuclear-fueled incinerator handy?

*cough* the sun *cough*

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i guess if we ejected all our trash now it might get burnt by the time our great-grandsons retire. lol

or we could just let it burn up in our atmosphere. but that would mean shooting it twice.

anythings better than keeping it here :/

I think I'm going to go to the Obama speech/rally/event this week down in Miami. It could be interesting. I wonder what kind of crowd he'll get. Miami is mostly Cubans who are mostly Republican. It could get interesting. I hope it's worth the trip.

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i guess if we ejected all our trash now it might get burnt by the time our great-grandsons retire. lol

or we could just let it burn up in our atmosphere. but that would mean shooting it twice.

anythings better than keeping it here :/

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...It doesn't take that long to reach the Sun

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I think I'm going to go to the O'Bama speech/rally/event this week down in Miami. It could be interesting. I wonder what kind of crowd he'll get. Miami is mostly Cubans who are mostly Republican. It could get interesting. I hope it's worth the trip.

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Right now Florida is 49% for Obama and 46% for McCain.

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I think I'm going to go to the O'Bama speech/rally/event this week down in Miami.

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You know there's no apostrophe, right? lol.

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You know there's no apostrophe, right? lol.

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LOL, oh man, that's funny. Yes I know it. That was left over in my brain from writing O'Reilly's name in the other thread. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll fix it. LOL.

Anyone else catching this C. Powell interview on MSNBC in which he is endorsing B. Obama for president? It is a replay of Meet the Press. I missed it this morning, watched football and did yard work all day. I'm surprised nobody posted this here.

That has got to hurt McCain.

I heard about it

I spent most of my day today away from the apartment so I didn't hear about it. Not really surprised at his choice, but I'm mildly surprised he made it public.

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Cubans who are mostly Republican.

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i never got that.

except for the whole that ***** bush loves immigrants thing

btw, you can watch the Powell endorsement online here.