The God Delusion

[Chathurga]

Anyone read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins?
It is an absolutely brilliant book where he basically argues with the idea of a god.
You wonder if there is a god? Read this book and I'm pretty sure you won't wonder anymore ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

[Hemperor]

Anyone read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins?
It is an absolutely brilliant book where he basically argues with the idea of a god.
You wonder if there is a god? Read this book and I'm pretty sure you won't wonder anymore ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

Another anti-god book?

To be honest I'm getting tiard of this trend of people who think it's cool not to belive in God... I know some people have good reasons that they do belive in, but alot of people just go with "the crowd" and it's quite pathetic, in the old days you where an outcast for denying belife, sadly the tables are turning, I personaly think it's good to have a God like figer to belive in, even if there isn't one.

[madsoul]

i dont need anyone to explain to me why god dont exist. i just dont belive in god.

[jjgamepro17]

K have an awsome death in hell! :)

Im only joking... I bet youll flame me or something now...

[Matter]

My beliefs are MY beliefs. I'm a Christian, I believe in God, K Thanks.
I don't need a self-proclaimed book telling me what to do.

[Tommi]

ah, another fiction book to add to the ever growing "bull****" collection

[Chathurga]

My beliefs are MY beliefs. I'm a Christian, I believe in God, K Thanks.
I don't need a book telling me what to do.

What about the bible?

[Hemperor]

My beliefs are MY beliefs. I'm a Christian, I believe in God, K Thanks.
I don't need a book telling me what to do.

:) I thought I was the only one

[Matter]

What about the bible?

I'm not prepared to get into how the Bible is a little more than just a book right now.

Anyways, I editted my previous post. Seems a little more sensible now.

I do my best to follow the 10 commandments, which were given by god himself. That's all I really need.

[iball®]

Another anti-Sony book?

To be honest I'm getting tiard of this trend of people who think it's cool not to belive in Sony... I know some people have good reasons that they do belive in, but alot of people just go with "the crowd" and it's quite pathetic, in the old days you where an outcast for denying belife, sadly the tables are turning, I personaly think it's good to have a Sony like figer to belive in, even if there isn't one.

Just thought sounded better...sadly, it even reflects current news.

[Synyster gates]

I believe in something (i'm not sure yet), but i hate church and I'm not to fond of reading bible stories.

If god made the bible on blu ray then MAYBE i'd be interested

[iball®]

I believe in something (i'm not sure yet), but i hate church and I'm not to fond of reading bible stories.

If god made the bible on blu ray then MAYBE i'd be interested

God begat Kaz begat Blu-Ray-PS3-drive...

[madsoul]

I believe in something (i'm not sure yet), but i hate church and I'm not to fond of reading bible stories.

If god made the bible on blu ray then MAYBE i'd be interested

why not just a regular dvd?

[Teowulf]

God begat Kaz begat Blu-Ray-PS3-drive...

:ROFL:

Yeh, I don't really need a book to convince me that god doesn't exist. I've already got 1. The bible.

[Synyster gates]

why not just a regular dvd?

Cause I want to see him smite people in high definition :ROFL:

[El Diablo]

i have never belived in god. all the time wheni went to stupid religions chool, to make my confermation and all that ****, for the church to have an excuse to take our money, i never belived in god. nor will i. im not following a crowd.

[madsoul]

god and religions are the biggest human pranks ever lmao

[PopeOfDope]

I've read the book.

I'm not too fond of his writing style and think he comes off a bit arrogant but its a good read.

If you do follow a religion, there is no reason not to read this book. If you can counter all his points then all it can do is strengthen your beliefs. Some of his arguements were weak in that respect. If you cannot answer his questions then that will either encourage you to look up the answers or do some more soul searching.

I think the reason why people like to avoid books like these is because it brings their whole point of existence into question. If you had an idea that you were created to serve God then something came along and said God didn't exist, your whole existence up to this point would have meant nothing.

[madsoul]

kingsh*t said: your head is a prank

i know, but im allready fooled by it so there is nothing i can do

[Hemperor]

Just thought sounded better...sadly, it even reflects current news.

I hate it when you do that, you make me all mad with your other posts, then you make me laugh, and I feel stupid for being mad at you >_>.

[muratcan]

Im a Turkish muslim. I emphasise Turkish because most Turks are very secular and relaxed regarding relegion similarly to Western Europe. For example in Turkey there are plenty people who do not fast. Most Turkish girls do not wear a veil. etc. etc. You could say Turkey is the only Westernized muslim country.

Anywho I believe in god and that as long as people have good morales and are good people they will go to heaven regardless of relegion or whatever they believe.

[TheMasterChef]

:) I thought I was the only one

Nope, I am a Christian too :)

[Chrono6456]

Anywho I believe in god and that as long as people have good morales and are good people they will go to heaven regardless of relegion or whatever they believe.

YES! That is exactly how we need more people to think, i myself am agnostic, and, well, if there is a god, then I belve what you belive, if there isnt, oh well, live life to the fullest

[FreePlay]

Mind if I explain something to you, kids?

The existence of God has nothing to do with the validity or invalidity of Christianity.

Quite simply put, all physical events have a cause. The Big Bang was a physical event. Now, as to its cause, we have two primary competing theories:

1. It is either a) impossible to know the cause, since observation of anything within the singularity is by definition impossible, or b) it was caused something that defies every rule of physics and mathematics that we have, and
2. It was caused by a supernatural being, force, or event.

I prefer to follow option 2. Regardless of the fact that it's a cop-out explanation, at least it's an explanation.

And don't give me that BS about the universe being infinitely old. The concept of an infinitely old universe is an impossibility. Reasoning:

Mathematicians use the Hebrew letter Aleph () to help us provide a value for the cardinality (size) of an infinite series.

The cardinality of the set of all natural numbers is . (I'm not making this up, check it out yourself.)

So. If we were to count back into the past, into infinity, we would have days, as well as weeks, as well as months, etc. However, that's nonsensical - you can't have the same exact number of days, months, and years within a given span of time.

Similarly, the concept of an actualized infinite set of anything is impossible. Thus, the universe is not infinitely old. Thus, there was a beginning to the chain of causal events.

It's really cute and all, thinking that you're intellectually superior because you don't believe in God, but it's really just annoying. You are not a better person that me just because you read a book by a guy who thinks a lot of himself and declares there to be no God.

[madsoul]

i dont really understand why you choose 2....

i would choose 1 cuz we humans still dont fully understand the laws of nature even if it feels like it. we think we know everything there is to know about physics, maths and all that. that we know how things should work and not work. the truth is we dont know a **** really. so if big bang breaks the "laws" of physics and all that, you mean the only explanation should be that a "supernatural being" made the universe?

anyway, the scientist finds alot of strange things in our universe that breaks alot of laws that we think we know everything about. my point is that i still think the universe was not created by "god", it was just by mere accident.
-= Double Post =-
damn, i was kinda late and didnt see that you had written more

[Adiuvo]

Point is, everything has to start somewhere, unless it defies laws of physics.
The universe, doesn't, so therefore it is most likely a supernatural being that created the universe.

BTW: Freeplay, your too smart...

[madsoul]

Point is, everything has to start somewhere, unless it defies laws of physics.
The universe, doesn't, so therefore it is most likely a supernatural being that created the universe.

BTW: Freeplay, your too smart...

and if a person belives in laws and physics so much how can he belive in a supernatural being? what IS a supernatural being really? could someone explain for me in a scientific way what it should be and in what wayt it exisits?

[FreePlay]

so if big bang breaks the "laws" of physics and all that, you mean the only explanation should be that a "supernatural being" made the universe?

By 'laws of physics' I'm not talking about things like gravity. I'm talking about the cosmological constants that define the very nature of our universe - the magnitude of the strong and weak nuclear forces, the gravitational constant, etc. Before the Big Bang, these simply didn't exist. Our concept of physics as a mapping of mathematics to reality breaks down completely without these numbers. There's no way to define anything about the state of the singularity universe.

my point is that i still think the universe was not created by "god", it was just by mere accident.

I mentioned the cosmological constants before. I'm not going to be a proponent for intelligent design, but I think that the fact that the constants came out to be exactly the values that would support life is pretty good evidence that SOMETHING made them that way intentionally. If any of the constants had been slightly different - somewhere on the order of 1*10^-60 - life of any form would be a physical impossibility. In fact, the universe as we know it might not exist. It could be a sparse cloud of free-floating hydrogen atoms, or an unstable, dense, decaying nuclear universe devoid of anything much lighter than solid matter.

and if a person belives in laws and physics so much how can he belive in a supernatural being? what IS a supernatural being really? could someone explain for me in a scientific way what it should be and in what wayt it exisits?

The very definition of 'supernatural' is 'something outside of natural existence.' The laws of physics just don't apply to it. It could be a physically-detached intelligence, some underlying force within the fabric of spacetime, I don't know. Supernatural entities are not necessarily bound by physical constraints. Their existence is something nearly inconceivable to a natural entity.

So anyways... if God created nature, he is literally super-natural - above nature.

[madsoul]

It's really cute and all, thinking that you're intellectually superior because you don't believe in God, but it's really just annoying. You are not a better person that me just because you read a book by a guy who thinks a lot of himself and declares there to be no God.

belive me, i do not think im intellectually superior just because i dont believe in god. i would kill myself if i was that stupid.

[FreePlay]

Heh. Well, what I see more and more nowadays is atheists calling theists sheep, stupid, fools, etc, just for believing in God, as if atheism is by default a smarter position just because it relies entirely on science.

Personally, I think a life devoid of faith in a higher being would be a life I wouldn't want to experience. I can't see why you would continue to live if your future consists of being forgotten in the passage of time and eventual cataclysmic destruction of the universe that will erase all traces of human existence from... well, existence. I mean... how can you derive any meaningful purpose from life if your life is, in the long run, utterly without meaning or merit?