God created people?

Relax, kid, what do you think a forum is for? For discussion not about "whining"... like you are doing right now.

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Relax, kid, what do you think a forum is for? For discussion not about "whining"... like you are doing right now.

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Perfectly said. :PC:

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Dude. This thread's still whining. I left the forums, came back, and there's still a religious debate about something that can't be proved. Get a ****ing life and convert to FSM.

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If you can't deal with ADULT discussion, kindly GTFO, ok?

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What, do you not understand what I said?

Being agnostic is simply refusing to make a decision about religious beliefs. Just like standing still is simply refusing to make a decision about how to get from where you are to where you want to be.

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It's not that I can't decide it's that I think religion gets in the way of everything.

I'd accept it religion doesn't have to. It's just what you make of it.

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It's not that I can't decide it's that I think religion gets in the way of everything.

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Religion only gets in the way if you let it. It's a sign of a mature religious faith if you can find a coherent synthesis of normal life, trust in science, and religious belief.

Your right there freeplay

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primitave people (Monkeys)

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That you have wrong. Primitive people would fit in with the great apes, not monkeys. For example a Chimpanzee is not a monkey, its a great ape.

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Being agnostic is simply refusing to make a decision about religious beliefs. Just like standing still is simply refusing to make a decision about how to get from where you are to where you want to be.

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QFT(not quantum field theory).

Siouixse has been banned from this thread and his homophobic comments deleted.

Yeah, that's why I don't believe in god.

Oooooooooookay.

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Is this a joke?

God was never 'born'. God just existed. End of story.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

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ditto:)

Yep, God is just a higher being. He created man in the image of himself.

i really dont think it matters, 'god' in the end does more good to our society than bad. it drives people to walk the old lady down the street or even give a man the extra dollar he needs.

let them believe wut they wish.

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i really dont think it matters, 'god' in the end does more good to our society than bad. it drives people to walk the old lady down the street or even give a man the extra dollar he needs.

let them believe wut they wish.

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Well put ;)

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i really dont think it matters, 'god' in the end does more good to our society than bad. it drives people to walk the old lady down the street or even give a man the extra dollar he needs.

let them believe wut they wish.

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I am agnostic, I do not the existance or non-existance of god, but I am still courteous, I have morals, I don't need to fear heel and damnation to be a good person...

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i really dont think it matters, 'god' in the end does more good to our society than bad. it drives people to walk the old lady down the street or even give a man the extra dollar he needs.

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That's called good morals.

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i really dont think it matters, 'god' in the end does more good to our society than bad. it drives people to walk the old lady down the street or even give a man the extra dollar he needs.

let them believe wut they wish.

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And it causes war, hate, sectarianism, exclusion and seems to leave some people with a superiority complex.

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And it causes war, hate, sectarianism, exclusion and seems to leave some people with a superiority complex.

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Agreed.
Also if you are only doing good to stay in god's good graces, are you really doing the good at all? I suppose you are doing good for the other person but for the wrong reasons.

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And it causes war, hate, sectarianism, exclusion and seems to leave some people with a superiority complex.

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So does some forms of American patriotism.

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Agreed.
Also if you are only doing good to stay in god's good graces, are you really doing the good at all? I suppose you are doing good for the other person but for the wrong reasons.

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There's not much logical in saying that you do good for the wrong reasons. If it's something morally good, it can't be wrong.

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And it causes war, hate, sectarianism, exclusion and seems to leave some people with a superiority complex.

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Money also does this

• Plenty of weapons companies profit from war, some countries go to war with others for valuable resources
• People with money tend to be in their own social classes. Perhaps rich people hate the poor and vice versa
• Money does create a wide social divide
• Rich people think they are better than the lazy poor ones. Poor people think rich people are stuck up idiots.

If anything good has come out of south park, its that people will argue over anything. It's human nature to argue with others, and religion gives you an excuse to hate people. If religion didn't exist, humans would just find another reason to hate others like race or money.
The degree at which religion induces hate is the only difference. I do think that religion does inspire more hatred than the other factors because religion is a way someone lives their life, so criticising that provokes strong emotions.

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So does some forms of American patriotism.

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But thats just another form of faith, never really liked the idea of Patriotism either TBH

It's not a religion. You said religion, not faith. Faith is an entirely internal thing.

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And it causes war, hate, sectarianism, exclusion and seems to leave some people with a superiority complex.

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Don't you see the exact same thing your doing in what you said. In fact, I think your the one with the superiority complex. You must think (by saying the above) that your superior to all who believe in God. In my Religion; Christianity, we are tough that God created man in the image of himself. We also believe God is all the good in the world, he IS in all of us. He was in that man when he helped that lady cross the road, he is in that man who dropped that extra buck in the mans hat, instead of using it for himself. It only causes what you said to happen, when people take into account how wrong they think other's Religions are. I'm not going to hate a Jew, Buddhist, or Muslim just because that is how his/her people interpreted things. I am taught that my Religion is the one and only that is true, and I believe that to the fullest extent. But that does not give me the right to hate someone because thats how they see God. The only people I get frustrated over are people like yourself, who sit on your pedestal and stereotype every Religion you come across just because you dont think its true. Seriously, no matter what Religion you are, if you are a good person (and dont try to push your religion onto me) I will respect you. But you, I think its best that you keep comments like that to yourself. Because you and your stereotypical views dont cut it with many people! Including myself!

God didn't deliberately create the universe he just influenced everything around him. Life, a meteor just so happened to carry microbes on it and make life on earth (possibly other planets). God could have in a way made the domino effect touching one thing to make another. The big bang, could have been god putting the (how ever many elements we will create or will discover) elements + gravity, but not him deliberately just a touch of his work thus causing all of this to happen by making it look like he didn't do everything. I may not know much about these theories like the big bang or the big bounce, but i've been wanting to say this since I could comprehend complex conversations (6 years old). I'm not saying I could not comprehend but i'm saying like these kinds of topics.

The people in my religion call god Jehovah an Arabic word for great master or creator (i forgot). I am a Jehovah's Witness.

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Don't you see the exact same thing your doing in what you said. In fact, I think your the one with the superiority complex. You must think (by saying the above) that your superior to all who believe in God. In my Religion; Christianity, we are tough that God created man in the image of himself. We also believe God is all the good in the world, he IS in all of us. He was in that man when he helped that lady cross the road, he is in that man who dropped that extra buck in the mans hat, instead of using it for himself. It only causes what you said to happen, when people take into account how wrong they think other's Religions are. I'm not going to hate a Jew, Buddhist, or Muslim just because that is how his/her people interpreted things. I am taught that my Religion is the one and only that is true, and I believe that to the fullest extent. But that does not give me the right to hate someone because thats how they see God. The only people I get frustrated over are people like yourself, who sit on your pedestal and stereotype every Religion you come across just because you dont think its true. Seriously, no matter what Religion you are, if you are a good person (and dont try to push your religion onto me) I will respect you. But you, I think its best that you keep comments like that to yourself. Because you and your stereotypical views dont cut it with many people! Including myself!

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I just replied to a post about how good religion is, I just pointed out that religion isn't all good. Don't reply to me like I'm DFS.

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And it causes war, hate, sectarianism, exclusion and seems to leave some people with a superiority complex.

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this does occure but if you are to stack up the amt of good it causes compared to bad you will see the good prevails
-= Double Post =-

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That's called good morals.

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these good morals are strived through majority and not minority because of god... i myself dont belive in god cause i dont need him to do good

I'm sorry are you guys talking about good morals?

Not to disagree but there are better versions of bibles. Use a bible that most people will accept, not catholic bibles, but sota a bible with no religious(religions write their own stuff in there) interference. Use the new testament/old testament.

How could a bible not have religious interference? Its the Christian religion's holy text, it's going to be biased.

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003:016 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and
thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and
thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over
thee.

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:rolleyes:
So are you a fully fledged creationist then?
Just first let me ask you this: How do you believe fully in the bible if you know that if you were born in somewhere like China you probably wouldn't be Christian?

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these good morals are strived through majority and not minority because of god... i myself dont belive in god cause i dont need him to do good

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Im not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me here. but what I meant was you dont need the bible to determine right from wrong.
You can have a perfectly good upbringing without religion.

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God didn't deliberately create the universe he just influenced everything around him.

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Then God is unnecessary.

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Life, a meteor just so happened to carry microbes on it and make life on earth (possibly other planets).

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This theory is ridiculous, seeing how it can never answer where the microbes can from in the first place.

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these good morals are strived through majority and not minority because of god... i myself dont belive in god cause i dont need him to do good

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Why do you WANT to do good if there is no God? Besides societal influence and your upbringing, what possible reason could you have? If there's no God, you might as well be as evil as you can possibly be, since evil and good would be meaningless. Why choose to be good?

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god created everyone and everthing. for proof ill paste the whole book of genisis

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yeah. did u think i was really religious?

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No, I think you're probably banned from the thread.

nothing, even religion can explain where everything came from

That's because religion isn't meant to explain everything. You have to have faith in science as well if you're going to understand the way the world works.

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Im not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me here. but what I meant was you dont need the bible to determine right from wrong.
You can have a perfectly good upbringing without religion.

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Yes, but if you have no ultimate cause for being a moral person, there shouldn't be any reason to be moral. And yet we have an instinct towards moral behavior. Personally, I see this as proof of God's existence. If God wasn't there, we wouldn't have a conscience, since there is no convincing evolutionary benefit to moral behavior. And don't give me any crap about how moral behavior advances society. Evolution is about individuals, not societies.

Meh, not bloody likely, after how much we've paraded his name around in support of anything and everything we want to do.

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Use a bible that most people will accept

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Or don't use a Bible at all, since there is no logical basis to use it as proof of anything.

science cant explain everything either, nothing can

freeplay. tell me why i should belive in god :)

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science cant explain everything either, nothing can

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Good, that's not what I said. I said

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You have to have faith in science as well if you're going to understand the way the world works.

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As in, both religion and science. And I never said anything about explaining everything. You did.

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freeplay. tell me why i should belive in god :)

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Because of the human instinct towards moral behavior. If it didn't exist, nobody would feel compelled to behave in a moral way. Obviously, it does exist, since the majority of humanity strives toward moral behavior, or some semblance of it. Without God, there would be no justification for morality.

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science cant explain everything either, nothing can

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Nothing can?
Give it time.

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Because of the human instinct towards moral behavior. If it didn't exist, nobody would feel compelled to behave in a moral way. Obviously, it does exist, since the majority of humanity strives toward moral behavior, or some semblance of it. Without God, there would be no justification for morality.

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So people want to be good... God exists! That is a massive jump of logic.
Just because the majority does/believes in anything does not make it right/true.

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Because of the human instinct towards moral behavior. If it didn't exist, nobody would feel compelled to behave in a moral way. Obviously, it does exist, since the majority of humanity strives toward moral behavior, or some semblance of it. Without God, there would be no justification for morality.

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I don't wuite agree with this statement. I think being moral was an evolutionary mechanism in some ways.

Animals in a group are more likely to survive than an animal on their own in the wild. Setting up a good relationship within this group is essential for cohesion. Moral acts can be equated to good acts that benefit another member of the group e.g. a hunter will provide any spare food he has to someone else. This is done with the intention that eventually this relationship will pay off, perhaps when the hunter is low on food, someone else will give him food due to the strong community bonds he has formed.

All morality probably evolved from the idea that if you do something good for others, they will do something good for you. Symbiosis has been around for ages, and morality is just another extension of that.

Of course now, it seems a little hard to apply since people who do immoral things still have the same chance of survival as people who do moral things.

This is a good page on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_altruism

Heres a question for you guys: Why do humans and all animals enjoy music and art? It has no evolutionary purpose, yet we seem to enjoy it. Does this imply a divine creator who wanted to care for his creation and provide opportunities for enjoyment? I never really thought about it too much.