why and how come no species should ever metel with time

[slicer4ever]

now note these are my opinions so keep that in mind i most likly well not change anyones mind however as we get smarter we may actually find a way to travel through time and who knows it maybe the person currently attempting this may work and thusly here's why it can't possible work in our current understanding of the universe which in technicality is pretty much nothing

now then we believe time is linear and i well agree with that for anyone and anything that can not control time and for any being who can i can not even attempt to understand how, anyways thats what this is not for, first i well begin by saying it is impossible to tell if you have traveled in time excluding the one who has traveled in time as when the one person does it changes everything in the future and most likely the "time machine" won't be created at the same time as when the person who traveled though time(of course this is the idea of going backwards in time) thusly destroying that original person, but yet it can't, a major paradox right there yet we believe it is possible for a paradox to exist so the person exists (which brings new matter and energy into the universe) even if it well be the only time he ever attempts it. also a nice way to know that the time you came from was the first time as it would have to be after you went back and changed everything also you have to wonder what well happen to the alternate universes they were originally set based on every choice that could be possible made now they have changed creating thousand's more paradox's it's not even capable for a single mind to comprehend it

anyways back on topic by going back in time you change everything the smallest step destroys billion if not trillions of micro bacteria which could kill the next hitler or form a new life form which could destroy humanity it goes both ways even if time travel was the answer to changeling humanity's course which may be death it still should not be excuted as obviously it was our belief that we would be destroyed and if we were destroyed then how could we travel back in time? so we have 0 idea as to what may happen in the future even so i have to believe time travel is possible due to the fact that some people have created predictions of the future which has happened to many times to be a coincidence i mean look at the aztecs(i believe it was them) they predicted their own death so time travel has to exist in some form which if it does than proves that fate does not exist and we really do have free choice however if it is proven false and time travel is impossible it means that there is no free choice and everything is set in stone

even so yet again i find myself back on the topic that we can never truly know if some1 has traveled back in time due to the fact that every memory could be false and changed at any moment think about it you remember exactly one second ago and believe it to be true because you literally just experienced it, now some1 goes back in time and changes your entire life, even very remotely, now all your memory's are of a different time line and yet you believe them to be true because you felt you just experienced it yet in truth an alien could go back in time, and you could be somewheres completely different, just by a mere step of that alien

it is very complicated to get across what i am trying to say in words however i still attempt it. time travel to past or future has amazing ramifications it's not even funny to think of it creates new matter and loses matter in 2 universes which exist at separate points in our theory of linear time thus breaking that theory immediately but than again it must be noted that these are complete theories not proven facts.

Time is one area which should never be explored no matter what because of the fact that the smallest step changes everything with 1 step now which could kill a bug that bug could get eaten by a frog which gets eaten by a snake, a cat eats the snake and a dog eats the cat now the dog is no longer hungry and walks out in the middle of the road the driver avoids the dog and crashes killing his wife who was destined to have a child which 30 generations later gives birth to the person who comes up with the weapon that eliminates an attacking alien armada which allows humanity to take a strong position in our quadrant of this galaxy which than allows a scientist to be born with a whacked out idea which leads to the destruction of our solar system in an attempt to harness the true energy of the sun creates an explosive chain reaction far greater than a normal supernova because the second it meets the earth it finds a new material which magnifies it's intensity over a trillion times destroying more than half our galaxy completly wiping out humanity and many other species. now than if a person goes back in time and stops tat bug from being eaten the mother of the child that was destined to allow humanity to be destroyed well be allowed to live and game over for us. why time travel should never be attempted i could go on much longer but this is already almost an essay long

[Slasher]

now note these are my opinions so keep that in mind i most likly well not change anyones mind however as we get smarter we may actually find a way to travel through time and who knows it maybe the person currently attempting this may work and thusly here's why it can't possible work in our current understanding of the universe which in technicality is pretty much nothing

now then we believe time is linear and i well agree with that for anyone and anything that can not control time and for any being who can i can not even attempt to understand how, anyways thats what this is not for, first i well begin by saying it is impossible to tell if you have traveled in time excluding the one who has traveled in time as when the one person does it changes everything and most likly the "time machine" won't be created when it was in the person who traveled though time thusly destroying that original person, but yet it can't, a major paradox right there yet we believe it is possible for a paradox to exist so the person exists (which brings new matter and energy into the universe) even if it well be the only time he ever attempts it also a nice way to know that the time you came from was the first time as it would have to be after you went back and changed everything also you have to wonder what well happen to the alternate universes they were originally set based on every choice that could be possible made now they have changed creating thousand's more paradox's it's not even capable for a single mind to comprehend it anyways back on topic by going back in time you change everything the smallest step destroys billion if not trillions of micro bacteria which could kill the next hitler or form a new life form which could destroy humanity it goes both ways even if time travel was the answer to changeling humanity's course which may be death it still should not be excuted as obviously it was our belief that we would be destroyed and if we were destroyed then how could we travel back in time? so we have 0 idea as to what may happen in the future even so i have to believe time travel is possible due to the fact that some people have created predictions of the future which has happened to many times to be a coincidence i mean look at the aztecs(i believe it was them) they predicted their own death so time travel has to exist in some form which if it does than proves that fate does not exist and we really do have free choice however if it is proven false and time travel is impossible it means that there is no free choice and everything is set in stone even so yet again i find myself back on the topic that we can never truly know if some1 has traveled back in time due to the fact that every memory could be false and changed at any moment think about it you remember exactly one second ago and believe it to be true because you literally just experienced it, now some1 goes back in time and changes your entire life, even very remotely, now all your memory's are of a different time line and yet you believe them to be true because you felt you just experienced it yet in truth an alien could go back in time and you could be somewheres completly different just by a mere step of that alien it is very complicated to get across what i am trying to say in words however i still attempt it. time travel to past or future has amazing ramifications it's not even funny to think of it creates new matter and loses matter in 2 universes which exist at separate points in our theory of linear time thus breaking that theory immediately but than again it most be noted that these are complete theories not proven facts. Time is one area which should never be explored no matter what because of the fact that the smallest step changes everything with 1 step now which could kill a bug that bug could get eaten by a frog which gets eaten by a snake, a cat eats the snake and a dog eats the cat now the dog is no longer hungry and walks out in the middle of the road the driver avoids the dog and crashes killing his wife who was destined to have a child which 30 generations later gives birth to the person who comes up with the weapon that eliminates an attacking alien armada which allows humanity to take a strong position in our quadrant of this galaxy which than allows a scientist to be born with a whacked out idea which leads to the destruction of our solar system in an attempt to harness the true energy of the sun creates an explosive chain reaction far greater than a normal supernova because the second it meets the earth it finds a new material which magnifies it's intensity over a trillion times destroying more than half our galaxy completly wiping out humanity and many other species. now than if a person goes back in time and stops tat bug from being eaten the mother of the child that was destined to allow humanity to be destroyed well be allowed to live and game over for us. why time travel should never be attempted i could go on much longer but this is already almost an essay long

omfg, I liek toally agreez

[Jatt101]

I read the first two sentences...then something amazing happened.

[TheSpiral]

I didn't realize there was more than one sentence. I just see a wall of text and numbers that have no reason to be there... The post makes no sense; neither does the title. I'm so confused.

[Chathurga]

Seriously I tried to clean this up so that people could read it.
I attempted to fix the paragraphs and re-word everything to make it clearer but the problem is that I can't even figure out what you are trying to say.
Sorry.

[FreePlay]

Your post fails on one very basic level:

If something travelled through time, it would be guaranteed that it couldn't change the past, because the past has happened. You can't suddenly unravel the fabric of spacetime because the sequence of events leading up to the time travelling would be fixed and unchangeable.

Of course, you're working on the ludicrous idea that time is linear.

[Mister Chief]

You read that FreePlay?

Wow...

[slicer4ever]

@freeplay yes hence the reason i said

now then we believe time is linear and i well agree with that

and the fact that we humans may relieze that time is or is not linear may be great but we've yet to create an idea in which time doesn't exist in a linear path and for humans we need time period. it ties in with everything it is our measurement for how something happened and the length of "time" it took for that object to do something,our age, different things age, the sun ages it is the way we humans make sense of anything unfortunately but true

also freeplay your idea that if some1 went back in time everything would fix itself not true i could say hey don't kill this guy now you saved an entire generation of people or what if you killed a person's great-great-great grandmother/father who the person is surpose to come up with the idea of how to save us from an asteroid or the idea of time travel

also i relieze i should have changed the paragraphs i'll re-word it latter anyways

i also see many here don't believe in time and that it is only a measure if so then is it not the same(of course using this on the most basic level) as measuring say velocity you can move forward or backwards

[Sinisin]

Time travel will never work. Mark my words. NEVER. And it's for one simple reason...

[FreePlay]

I read about four sentences.

[slicer4ever]

well i tried to clean it up some

[FreePlay]

we've yet to create an idea in which time doesn't exist in a linear path

Obviously you haven't done your homework...

also freeplay your idea that if some1 went back in time everything would fix itself not true i could say hey don't kill this guy now you saved an entire generation of people or what if you killed a person's great-great-great grandmother/father who the person is surpose to come up with the idea of how to save us from an asteroid or the idea of time travel

You could not kill that person because you would never have been able to time travel in the first place. The fact that you were able to time travel at all is absolute proof that this person's great-great-great grandparents weren't killed, and that nothing you ever do will be able to change that fact.

If you time travelled, the person was born. Simple as that. If they weren't born, you couldn't possibly go back in time and kill their ancestors, because time travel wouldn't be possible.

The "Grandfather paradox" is not a paradox. It's self-cancelling.

[Joey]

I read about three sentences, but I had to stop, so I could clean the blood that was dripping from my ears.

[slicer4ever]

last i knew humanity had excepted the fact of paradox's existing but yet again complete theories and no proof if or if not possible

and if i haven't done my homework than link pleas

[FreePlay]

Dude, it's farking logic. If you travel back in time and kill the man who invented time travel, you wouldn't have travelled back in time in the first place. Therefore, the only way that you'd be able to travel at all is if you are incapable of killing him.

[Joey]

Dude, it's farking logic. If you travel back in time and kill the man who invented time travel, you wouldn't have travelled back in time in the first place. Therefore, the only way that you'd be able to travel at all is if you are incapable of killing him.

But that makes Back to the Future less awesome... Which is ok, because it has an infinite amount of awesome. But still, you know...

[slicer4ever]

anyways that is why i also said, if someone took the time to read my post, that there would be no way to know if some1 has traveled back in time

[FreePlay]

Nobody will take the time to read your posts if you won't take the time to FORMAT your posts so that they're READABLE.

Stream of consciousness is not a format.

[slicer4ever]

true freeplay true but i've never been to good at creating long posts that are readable

[Joey]

true freeplay true but i've never been to good at creating long posts that are readable

I am capable of doing so, and I'm a moron who has failed every English related course I've ever taken.

What does that say about you?

[Jatt101]

I am capable of doing so, and I'm a moron who has failed every English related course I've ever taken.

What does that say about you?

He probably failed too...

[slicer4ever]

...yea i did=-)

well only 10th grade course anyway

[Vanden]

I am so glad I am not the only one on this forums who doesn't fell like using grammar and punctuation.

[FreePlay]

And yet oddly enough the only thing wrong with this post ^^ was the word 'fell'.

[Abe_Froeman]

And yet oddly enough the only thing wrong with this post ^^ was the word 'fell'.

I did a quick search of the word "fell" for posts only made by Vanden.

100 Results - http://forums.qj.net/search.php?searchid=1719051

Not sure how long the search ID will be live for, so get it while it's hot.

[Vanden]

Wow I had no idea I never spelled feel right...

[FreePlay]

Ahh... also the word "this" (or "forums"). Didn't notice that offhand.

[Joey]

Heh... This forums.

It's "These Forum" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! [/sarcsm]

[thebeatmonkey]

I wish I could go back in time and unread that post and unwaste my time.
Your idea of time travel is flawed.. because you would have to somehow be unaffected by time as it moved around you, else you'd get younger, unborn (lol), and you wouldn't exist to see the past.

which could destroy humanity

If you could freeze yourself in time and then move back (staying the same age), how could you change something that stopped your existance? If you stopped your existance you wouldn't exist to go back in time to stop your existance anyway!!

so i have to believe time travel is possible due to the fact that some people have created predictions of the future which has happened to many times to be a coincidence i mean look at the aztecs(i believe it was them) they predicted their own death so time travel has to exist in some form

Just because they predicted (key word) their own deaths, doesn't mean they were able to travel in time. And if they could change events in time... why not avoid their own deaths? If you knew when and how it was going to happen, wouldn't you?

which if it does than proves that fate does not exist and we really do have free choice

That dosn't prove anything. What if it was you fate to go back in time?

Time is one area which should never be explored no matter what because of the fact that the smallest step changes everything with 1 step now which could kill a bug that bug could get eaten by a frog which gets eaten by a snake, a cat eats the snake and a dog eats the cat now the dog is no longer hungry and walks out in the middle of the road the driver avoids the dog and crashes killing his wife who was destined to have a child which 30 generations later gives birth to the person who comes up with the weapon that eliminates an attacking alien armada which allows humanity to take a strong position in our quadrant of this galaxy which than allows a scientist to be born with a whacked out idea which leads to the destruction of our solar system in an attempt to harness the true energy of the sun creates an explosive chain reaction far greater than a normal supernova because the second it meets the earth it finds a new material which magnifies it's intensity over a trillion times destroying more than half our galaxy completly wiping out humanity and many other species. now than if a person goes back in time and stops tat bug from being eaten the mother of the child that was destined to allow humanity to be destroyed well be allowed to live and game over for us. why time travel should never be attempted i could go on much longer but this is already almost an essay long

WTF.. come back down to earth your just rambling for the sake of it.

[slicer4ever]

ok answer questions time lets begin to defend my claims:

which could destroy humanity

now then i said could i thought you had read my whole post which makes it fairly evident that you didn't by arguing about this i'm assuming that it is a last ditch effort by humanity i also go on to explain that we could have assumed wrong and could have survived even when we thought we were to be destroyed

the aztecs were destroyed by the spainish not only with weapons far more advanced to theirs but also with diseases which in those times when your ppl have never experianced diseases isn't easy to stop
so learn some history they may have known when and how(not sure if they knew how) but didn't have the means to stop it

it helps to prove is what i should have said for if you go back in time than the people in your future based off of the time you came from are drastically changed your fate may have been to go back in time however you could also change your own fate when/if you meet yourself and tell yourself what well happen based on what well happen

also as for that last paragraph if you had actual read you may notice it's a good point which it's fairly evident you didn't

i explain by allowing the mother to survive it allows for humanity to be eventually destroyed wiping out over half of our galaxy however if she is killed then humanity well have a drastic diffrent events to happen which may lead to humanity's death or humanity's further existence