Evolution?

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Zitat von Sinfulfate

You will have a different view about religion when you get older I guarantee it.

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What sort of guarantee is this? Do I get a prize, or consolation when I'm old and right?
-= Double Post =-

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Zitat von Sinfulfate

IMO I think people "cling" to religions because they want meaning in there lives.

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And do they get meaning? No. No they don't.

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Zitat von Siouxsie

What sort of guarantee is this? Do I get a prize, or consolation when I'm old and right?

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First you wont be right and with your mind set I dont see you living to be old.

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And do they get meaning? No. No they don't.

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They do how about you go ask people so you get opinions from people and not just your own views. You act like you and you alone know the true nature of religion yet I doubt you ever researched or know anything about all the religions =/ How old are?

Stop acting like I'm way younger than you. How old are you?

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Zitat von Siouxsie

Stop acting like I'm way younger than you. How old are you?

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Im 18 :) you?

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IMO I think people "cling" to religions because they want meaning in there lives. Without religion your life/existence is pretty much useless imo.

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What meaning does a life with religion have?

religion brings WAR
religion brings HOPE
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religion sucks
or maybe not

ANYWAY

Darwin's theory of EVOLUTION IS CORRECT
and we are primate descendants
ACCEPT IT

I find it amazing that my post in which I called Sinful stupid was deleted yet his post where he says that the lives of those who don't believe in god are worthless wasn't.

It was his opinion that living without religion makes life/existence useless (not worthless) and you called him stupid. I understand you took the post as being hateful but I disagree as I didn't take it in the same context as you.

At least you took the time to reply.

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What meaning does a life with religion have?

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For example with Christianity, Christians believe they were created by God for a reason and that God has a plan for them.

If you dont believe in God or anything whats the point of living? To play video games, get married, become successful then just die and it mean nothing?

And Im not saying im right but Im just saying my opinion.

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For example with Christianity, Christians believe they were created by God for a reason and that God has a plan for them.

If you dont believe in God or anything whats the point of living? To play video games, get married, become successful then just die and it mean nothing?

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Yeah what is the point of living.

According to you I'd only live a loving, happy and fulfilled life.

What a waste. </sarcasm>

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For example with Christianity, Christians believe they were created by God for a reason and that God has a plan for them.

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Surely that gives them a point for death, not a point for living.

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Zitat von Sinfulfate

If you dont believe in God or anything whats the point of living? To play video games, get married, become successful then just die and it mean nothing?

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My point in life is to enjoy life. Hopefully while continuing the human race, making friends/family/loved ones life on the way.

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Yeah what is the point of living.

According to you I'd only live a loving, happy and fulfilled life.

What a waste. </sarcasm>

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Indeed it is a waste. Because a happy and fulfilled life can mean different things to different people. I wouldnt be surprised if the terrorists who did 9/11 lived happy and fulfilled lives in there eyes yet I would still consider there lives were wasted.

This agreement can go on forever so lets agree to disagree ok?
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Surely that gives them a point for death, not a point for living.

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Not really if God's plan for my life was to minster to the homeless how is that a point for death?

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My point in life is to enjoy life. Hopefully while continuing the human race, making friends/family/loved ones life on the way.

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Im glad a lot of people don't think like you do or charity wouldn't exist. But you do seem to be like a lot of people with selfish motives for living.

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This agreement can go on forever so lets agree to disagree ok?

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Deal.

<3 Steven.

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Zitat von Sinfulfate

Im glad a lot of people don't think like you do or charity wouldn't exist. But you do seem to be like a lot of people with selfish motives for living.

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To be charitable doesn't require religion. And I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is selfish to want a life which is yours and not influenced by people you don't relate with.

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To be charitable doesn't require religion.

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Ya I wasn't trying to say charity requires religion but that based on his motives for living it didn't have anything to do with helping people.

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And I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is selfish to want a life which is yours and not influenced by people you don't relate with.

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Ya I guess your right.

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Watch out, THIS is gonna be the best post ever.


Siouxsie's Open Letter To Religious People: You Are Idiots And I Hate You

Hold on now! Before you get the wrong idea, this ISN'T a post about why religion is bad, or why it's wrong. Of course, it IS bad, and it IS wrong. But this is so blindingly obvious that it no longer needs to be said. Instead, this is a direct attack on you, the religious person. The argument? That your failure to reject religion indicates you are colossally, irredeemably stupid.

Religion is fundamentally flawed in a staggering variety of ways, to the point that a curios child can bring down the entire framework of baloney with an innocent question. Such questions include: Why is there evil? Who made god? Why should I trust you after that Santa Claus thing? - But you didn't ASK those questions, did you? Or if you did, you accepted the pathetic rationalizations that were offered without further contemplation. Perhaps you were afraid to ask, or even think about it. Your comforting little world view mattered more to you than the truth.

Can this critical failure really be blamed on a fear of the consequences of religion being wrong? Is a godless world too terrible to contemplate? The idea that Santa Claus isn't real is also unpleasant, and this provides a deterrent to disbelief. But not a significant one. God doesn't even bring people presents. In fact, in most religions he's kinda of a jerk. Plagues and laws and smiting and eterntal torture. Is this really so attractive an idea that people cannot let it go? Perhaps disinterest is the only real problem. After all, if a man can't code in C++, that doesn't make him stupid. It simply means he doesn't care to code in C++.

But can a lack of interest in the FUNDAMENTAL NATURE OF REALITY really be justified in this way? Maybe so. After all, it makes little difference in day to day living whether god is up there or not. And yet, shouldn't the fact that god's existence have no major consequences itself raise a red flag? The idea that a being with immense powers exists, but never tampers with the world in a noticeable way is an absurdly childish hypothetical scenario. It's "I'm not touching you" on a cosmic scale.

Granted, we used to see a lot more of god's evidence tampering than we do today. Lightning, disease, floods, butterflies, the sun. But even then, a bunch of inexplicable things hardly adds up to a big magical man who you can't see. And of course, with all this "evidence" wilted and died with sufficient rational inquiry. The sun and stars turned out to be big nuclear furnaces, diseases and butterflies are now well understood, and lightning is just an electrical discharge. Indeed, from leopard spots to pregnancy to the shape of the Earth, religion has been proved wrong, wrong, wrong. It would take an IDIOT not to see a pattern in this. And that's exactly what you are.

The icing on this pathetic cake is that you realize all the OTHER religions are wrong, you just have a blind spot towards your own. Perhaps you have a vague awareness that religion is retarded, but you never really give it up because your thoughts are too disorganized to deal with it. If this is the case, and your mind is a dusty closet of odds and ends, motivational phrases and vacation photos, I have nothing but contempt for you.

I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and I refuse to respect the people who hold them. Your willful ignorance is inexcusable and it disgusts me.

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I love you.

To me religion is really just away for people to look forward to something. Because most Americans (especially adults) have a boring life (sex is the only thing that might be entertaining) and probably need something great to look forward to after they die...(or bad in some cases). My mom says it teaches people to love (which to me is just stupid....). So yea, Siouxsie = right on this one.

why would you want to live for millions of years at a certain point i think i would want to die also if your not ganna take the time to read an actual post Sinfulfate, and i'm referring to Siouxsie awsome attack against religion as i'm 100% agreeing, then your no different then any other fundamentalist who well deny the truth also growing up won't change many's view's and i'm not saying that because i'm 16 i know people who are 44, 38, 29 that are all strongly opposed to religion

i heard that scientists have found fossils of dragonflies with 2 feet wingspans, it may seem very irrelevent, but it just sounds creepy :p

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Zitat von dante_emo hunter

like how males have nipples? :p

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men have nipples because woman was created from man, and us not being able to produce vitamin c is further proof of creation not evolution. from your perspective, we cant do that because we evolved, from mine we dont have it because we arent animals. and if our appendix is 'shrinking' that means were all gonna die.

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Zitat von Wookiee

if our appendix is 'shrinking' that means were all gonna die.

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Well that was nice of God, wasn't it?

HAHAHAHAHAHA death. its so funny. (to anyone who finds this offensive, dont)

Death is nothing.

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Zitat von Sinfulfate

Im glad a lot of people don't think like you do or charity wouldn't exist. But you do seem to be like a lot of people with selfish motives for living.

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Trying to grasp whatever concept you might be portraying, having a hard time doing it. Let me get this straight... you're saying that people are bad and evil if they are not religious? You do realize thousands upon thousands of people have died in the name of religion. Isn't killing a "sin"? The 9/11 hijackers that you seem SOOOOO proud to bring up: Religious extremists.

I, if you haven't been able to tell yet, am Atheist. I am not a bad person. I give 90% of my pay to charity (yes, 90%, about $450 a week). I do community service often. Heck, I don't even cuss! (Except if I'm joking around online, then I just censor it myself, like so: ****).

The point is: from my experiences, those with deep religious faith are the most biased people in the world. The most violent people in the world. The worst people in the world. I'm not against religion. There's many good stories of morality and humanity within faith. But a closed mind is useless. People blow each other up every day for religion. But that's what God intended for them, right?

Woah.

WOAH.

Dubya, if what you're saying about yourself is true, you are easily the nicest person - by choice - I've ever (almost) met.

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i for one dont believe in evolution...its retarded!

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Boy, you better be damn glad I saw this post a few days ago and already blew off about it on IRC.

And naming yourself after a pot/heroin addict, you have no right to call anythign stupid...

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freeplay u are god arn't u

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No, I just like to think that I've got a good grip of reality and logic.

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I'm starting to think QJ is a cult for athiest and evolutionist.

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Evolution isn't a religion, though. It's just scientific fact.

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I don't care if I didn't see it or have any scientific evidence. If im told by someone I trust more then anyone in the world I will believe it without question.

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Here's your problem. This person just trusted what they were told by someone else. That person just trusted what they were told by someone else. That person just trusted what they were told by someone else. That person just trusted what they were told by someone else. That person just trusted what they were told by someone else. ... Et cetera.

It's just word-of-mouth all the way back to some dude making it up. As opposed to scientifically-supported, observable phenomenon that you can experience first-hand.

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You will have a different view about religion when you get older I guarantee it.

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What nonsense. There are atheist adults and athiest geriatrics. You're just thinking wishfully.

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Without religion your life/existence is pretty much useless imo.

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Organized religion teaches you to MAKE the religion the meaning of your life. Eventually you believe that your life is meaningless without it, even if you had plenty of meaning before you joined the religion. It teaches you to believe, even if your life was pretty good before you signed on, that you used to be a terrible, sinful person and that you were miserable.

If you don't cling to an organized religion, you realize that you're perfectly capable of giving your life the meaning that you want.

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They do how about you go ask people so you get opinions from people and not just your own views.

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When you join an organized religion, the religion takes over your life. It becomes the meaning of your life. It does not mean that life without it has no meaning. It's mind control.

Watch this video. It's true about both organized religions and cults.

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Christians believe they were created by God for a reason and that God has a plan for them.

If you dont believe in God or anything whats the point of living?

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Making your own plan for yourself.

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if God's plan for my life was to minster to the homeless how is that a point for death?

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Because you're doing it so you can get a reward when you die.

If you're going to be a good person, do it without expecting a friggin' reward. Just be a good person and live your life.

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men have nipples because woman was created from man

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Actually, all mammals begin their lives as female. Sexual selection comes later in the gestation process, depending on the presence/absence of a Y chromosome and one of a few genes in the fetus.

In other words, men come from women. Not the other way around.

Git t' readin'.

And if women were created from men, why DO they have nipples? Since men can't feed a baby, men wouldn't be CREATED with nipples. There would be no babies to feed at first, so there would be no nipples.

THINK, please. Stop babbling nonscientific garbage.

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us not being able to produce vitamin c is further proof of creation not evolution.

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No, it's not. If we were created by an intelligent being exactly as we are, our bodies would produce everything we needed. Making creatures that can die if they don't eat isn't Intelligent Design. It's Crappy Design.

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from your perspective, we cant do that because we evolved, from mine we dont have it because we arent animals.

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Yes we are... seriously, what do you think we are?

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if our appendix is 'shrinking' that means were all gonna die.

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I haven't had an appendix for a couple of years now and my body's working just fine. How weird! Guess we don't need that VESTIGIAL, EVOLUTIONARILY UNNECESSARY ORGAN anymore.

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Woah.

WOAH.

Dubya, if what you're saying about yourself is true, you are easily the nicest person - by choice - I've ever (almost) met.

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Well, I've bought tons of stuff for people around here, so you could always ask, lol... Though I don't keep track of WHO I buy for though :/ I think I got DFS something... and someone else I gave a DS and memory stick... and a hard drive for someone else I believe? I don't remember really, few months back.

Thanks for the compliment, though!

You're a better Christian than most Christians ;)

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Thanks for the compliment, though!

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My pleasure, it's always nice to know you're appreciated.

@Dubra you'r awsome

@wookie

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from your perspective, we cant do that because we evolved, from mine we dont have it because we arent animals.

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we arn't animals huh:
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/123...rticle341.html

we are period don't believe for a second where any higher than any other organism in the world we may have intelligence but we still bow to our basic instincts just like any other animal

my statement still stands freeplay you are god, god of logic=-)

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men have nipples because woman was created from man

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That proves you know nothing.

All humans are female in early stages of pregnancy.

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FreePlay beat me.

I'm surprised Wookiee came back.


How about you offer actual proof and a rebuttal to Freeplay's post instead of just babbling on with no sources.

Come on everyone. It's simple science that evolution is a crock. Just watch this highly scientific and super-informative video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4 EVOLUTION IS SO FAKE.






/sarcasm






Evolution in itself is the only scientifically fact-based answer to how we became. The real question of religion is how much you think God influenced this, whether it all just happened, or whether God just started the "spark" of the universe, or whether God micro-managed everything. The debate should not be whether religion and science can coexist, they're not opposites in the least.

http://freeplay.unaligned.org/images/bananas.jpg

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http://freeplay.unaligned.org/images/bananas.jpg

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Did someone really use that as an argument?

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Did someone really use that as an argument?

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Look at PSP Haxor's link. Although he fails to mention in the video that the banana he is using has been bred by humans to be that shape and easily edible.

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Look at PSP Haxor's link. Although he fails to mention in the video that the banana he is using has been bred by humans to be that shape and easily edible.

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Simple mistake. Any person who says things without researching could make that mistake, cut him some slack! </sarcasm>

i see the light now praise allah....or god....or whaterver</ sarcasm>

seriously that video makes me want to go to a church and just ***** slap every person there...

Only someone who evolved from an ape would like bananas so much.

Hmmm, Wookie was on today and he didn't pop in to see us :(