Large Hadron Collider (LHC)

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thats it?
Thats somewhat disappointing.:/
After all the hype it build on the internet and this happens.
I want my money back!:p

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It was a complete success. Why's that disappointing?

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It was a complete success. Why's that disappointing?

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Seriously, give it some time guy. Nothing but scientific advancement is going to come from this thing.

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Seriously, give it some time guy. Nothing but scientific advancement is going to come from this thing.

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I know. I'm not the one that's disappointed by it. It actually really excites me, I've always liked physics (and I'm not talking about in game physics).

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Protons ;)


The real worry from nay sayers was that the collisions would cause a micro black holes to form and grow exponentially to destroy the Earth. The formation of micro black holes is very unlikely, but the formation of stable black holes is even less likely. Theres nothing to worry about really.

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Nothing to worry about, the black holes will be cleared up by a special radiation(forgot what it was called).

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I know. I'm not the one that's disappointed by it. It actually really excites me, I've always liked physics (and I'm not talking about in game physics).

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I mis-spoke/mis-quoted. I was agreeing with you.

If they succeed with the actual thing in october, this could be the next stage in producing energy and fuel, no pollution, more energy and the only thing that could go wrong (1/50000000 chance) is a black hole being created, and doing something.. I dunno, but great news :D

Should be an interesting few months. They're intending to actual get onto proton collisions before they switch it off for the winter, if that all goes well then there'll be full power collisions early next year.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9...ed13sepjy2.png

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http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9...ed13sepjy2.png

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I wish I knew what all the pictures that have been produced today meant. I guess the fact that there not blank is great evidence that it actually works.

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Nothing to worry about, the black holes will be cleared up by a special radiation(forgot what it was called).

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You mean Berkenstein-Hawking radiation?

When this escapes, it looses energy ( mass ), hence e=mc2.


So yeah, they will be most likely to shrink in less than a second, considering how small they will be.

Sort of ironic your name is Black_hole, huh? lol



Also, check out the google logo.

What the hell is with the black hole crap? If a black hole was made, it would be so unbelievably unstable and small that it would simply disintegrate... resulting in absolutely nothing happening.

@Slasher
lol
@Moose
people just don't want to risk the chance.
ps. my friends was telling be how they was going to split, or send atoms to the moon see how it was made.
Can anyone tell me if this real or not?
They heard it on cnn today.
also can you link the information?

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@Slasher
lol
@Moose
people just don't want to risk the chance.
ps. my friends was telling be how they was going to split, or send atoms to the moon see how it was made.
Can anyone tell me if this real or not?
They heard it on cnn today.
also can you link the information?

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Well they did 'risk the chance' and no black hole was created. :o

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Well they did 'risk the chance' and no black hole was created. :o

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My point, if something really bad was going to happen im sure the goverment would stop it.
:3
Also Im guessing no heard about the moon thing>.<
I guess It was false information

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Well they did 'risk the chance' and no black hole was created. :o

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Yes, but the atoms haven't collided yet. It will take several months for the machine to reach full power, and then they'll smash the atoms.

Also backing yourself up against this "black hole will disintegrate" stuff isn't necessarily something I'm keen on doing. People seem to believe this simply because 'Stephen Hawkings' said so. Its never been observed...ever. So there's really no definite way of knowing for sure that the black holes will infact disappear. You know Stephen Hawkings is human too, he could make mistakes.

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You know Stephen Hawkings is human too, he could make mistakes.

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LIEZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 11!!!!1!11!!!!!!111!

he is teh g0dz of teh fiziks!


but seriously, if it doesn't destroy the world, then yay. if it does, well I'll be dead so who cares.

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So there's really no definite way of knowing for sure that the black holes will infact disappear.

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But there is a definite way of knowing that the only size black holes generated by the LHC could be would be subatomic, and that they MIGHT have a mass-energy of a few grams by the time the earth burns up in the expanding, dying sun.

And I quote, from the first page.

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I don't think that it's going to create a black hole that will kill us all. Even if it does create miniature black holes, they will evaporate quickly (Hawking radiation has to come from SOMEWHERE, right? ...assuming Hawking radiation actually exists, at least) and not get much time to suck stuff up (nor much stuff to suck up. Their event horizons are so small that primarily what they're warping is vacuum). I don't know if it'll find any God Particles, but it'll sure provide a lot of data to be crunched.

Here, I'll do some math for you. Let's assume that it's smashing two electrons together with a total energy of 14 TeV (about what it can do). This means the resulting black hole would have a mass of 14 TeV/c^2 = 2.4962*10^-23 kg. That's really tiny. So let's calculate its Schwarzschild radius: 3.694376*10^-50 m. That is so tiny...you can't even conceive how tiny that is. One electron is on the order of 10^-18 m. So really, nothing CAN'T escape from that radius.

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Don't worry about the black holes. They won't do anything.

Well, hypothetically how long would it take for a substantial black hole to consume the earth? Would we be informed of our remaining time?

...I'm pretty sure this won't happen, but its an interesting thought to consider.

after LHC turns on earthquake hits japan and indonesia 6.9

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/as...ef=mpstoryview

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...ake/index.html

iran had a quake too 6.1

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/am....ap/index.html

quake in chile 6.0

all in the same day

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after LHC turns on earthquake hits japan and indonesia 6.9

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/as...ef=mpstoryview

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...ake/index.html

iran had a quake too 6.1

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/am....ap/index.html

quake in chile 6.0

all in the same day

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"The Indonesian quake occurred at exactly 9 a.m. (0000 GMT)"
"The Japanese quake occurred at 9:21 a.m. (0021 GMT)"

LHC was turned on at about 1000 GMT, 10hrs later.

I'm sure just turning a machine on caused earthquakes all over the world. Just from turning it on. Really, it's true. I swear. They didn't even have to do the actual experiment and collide them which was what the fear was of, all they had to do was turn it on and cause chaos, I swear it's true.

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"The Indonesian quake occurred at exactly 9 a.m. (0000 GMT)"
"The Japanese quake occurred at 9:21 a.m. (0021 GMT)"

LHC was turned on at about 1000 GMT, 10hrs later.

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@El Diablo LHC was turn on after the earth quakes...
Now the "collide" im not sure about what well happen.
im just wondering how much power it well take for the collide?
Well the power is some area around word need to be turn off?
This experiment is using loads of power.

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Well, hypothetically how long would it take for a substantial black hole to consume the earth? Would we be informed of our remaining time?

...I'm pretty sure this won't happen, but its an interesting thought to consider.

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'Substantial' isn't a measurement, so there is no answer...

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@El Diablo LHC was turn on after the earth quakes...

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sarcasm detector: broken. also, I'm pretty sure they have their own power generation facilities.

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I'm pretty sure they have their own power generation facilities.

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I'd hope that the people that created the internet would have the foresight to make sure they have enough power at their disposal.

If they haven't done that then I don't think they're qualified to be doing what they're doing.

Click and click.
I hate doomsayers.

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Well, hypothetically how long would it take for a substantial black hole to consume the earth? Would we be informed of our remaining time?

...I'm pretty sure this won't happen, but its an interesting thought to consider.

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Read this (original link was down).

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Yes, but the atoms haven't collided yet. It will take several months for the machine to reach full power, and then they'll smash the atoms.

Also backing yourself up against this "black hole will disintegrate" stuff isn't necessarily something I'm keen on doing. People seem to believe this simply because 'Stephen Hawkings' said so. Its never been observed...ever. So there's really no definite way of knowing for sure that the black holes will infact disappear. You know Stephen Hawkings is human too, he could make mistakes.

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Several months? Try 21st October.

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Several months? Try 21st October.

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Whatev... My point was that yesterday wasn't supposed to be the "doomsday", we still have atleast a month to sit back and relax.

Most of the news sites totally evaded even mentioning this little tidbit.

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'Substantial' isn't a measurement, so there is no answer...

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Well if it made a black hole that would be considered a threat, how much time would we have left. Do you think we would even be informed?

Remember it's just a hypothetical question.

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Several months? Try 21st October.

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That's when they're planning the first collisions. They don't intend to perform full power collisions until next year after the winter break.

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Test timeline

September 2008
The first beam was circulated through the collider on the morning of 10 September 2008.[17] CERN successfully fired the protons around the tunnel in stages, three kilometres at a time. The particles were fired in a clockwise direction into the accelerator and successfully steered around it at 10:28 am local time.[18] The LHC successfully completed its first major test: after a series of trial runs, two white dots flashed on a computer screen showing the protons traveled the full length of the collider. It took less than one hour to guide the stream of particles around its inaugural circuit.[19] CERN next successfully sent a beam of protons in a counterclockwise direction at 14:59.

October 2008
The first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled on 21 October 2008

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider Not fully reliable I know but still.

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That's when they're planning the first collisions. They don't intend to perform full power collisions until next year after the winter break.

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I think the first collision well be oka.
All my friends are like "oh noose" I didn't do everthing in my life yet.
lol
I wounder...
Why there not doing the full power collision till next year...
The first collision is an test?
Even after one collision they well need repairs after there done.
In my opnion, also im at an Library fell free post links and videos.
*I hate my computer, now the internet dosn't work ,Im glad im getting an laptop this year*:ROFL:

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That's when they're planning the first collisions. They don't intend to perform full power collisions until next year after the winter break.

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Yes which is preaty much the same thing. Like my msn name i had a while ago, "LHC will not destory the world you ****ing morons"

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Why there not doing the full power collision till next year...

Even after one collision they well need repairs after there done.

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They're not in a hurry to do the full power collisions because they don't know for absolute certain what will happen. So they're planning a collision this year before they shut it down for the winter, this gives the machine time to cool down and time for them to analyse the data they collect.

And why do you think they'll need repairs?

note:
'full power' and 'high energy' don't mean the same thing.
/semantics

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'full power' and 'high energy' don't mean the same thing.
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That's exactly why I'm saying there's a difference between the collisions they're doing next month and the collisions they'll be working up to next year.

Everything that happens in the LHC is high energy.

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Threads merged.

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oh I was woundering what happen to my thread.>.>
-=Double Post Merge =-

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That's exactly why I'm saying there's a difference between the collisions they're doing next month and the collisions they'll be working up to next year.

Everything that happens in the LHC is high energy.

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What the difference, an a collisions?
Everthing is the same about it right?
Anyone seen the [email protected]?
Wate how is even possible collect data from every computer?
Isn't that agesnt the law or something?
are they plaining do this more then two times?
I think 2-3max! is the limit on this :/
Thats going 2 far its annoying enough logging into msn everyone messge me saying " the world is gonna end":/
*alsoThis is the way the world ends" Halo 3 qoute lol found it an aol comment:ROFL:*

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are they plaining do this more then two times?
I think 2-3max! is the limit on this :/

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Yeah they spent $5billion just to run it twice.

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Anyone seen the [email protected]?
Wate how is even possible collect data from every computer?
Isn't that agesnt the law or something?

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You mean [email protected] And why would it be illegal for them to collect data that you have volunteered to generate for them. If you want to help them out then install it, if you don't want to help then don't install it. It's simple.

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Yeah they spent $5billion just to run it twice.You mean [email protected] And why would it be illegal for them to collect data that you have volunteered to generate for them. If you want to help them out then install it, if you don't want to help then don't install it. It's simple.

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Oh...I tought they wore useing it without permission. sorry about that >.<$5billon to run this twice??!wow..Im suprise, there might not be an 3rd, or 4th time at all.I can understand 2 runs for testing but the 3rd might need to be last if it cost this much...*lol, I been up really early this morning sorry kinda tried, if my post don't make much sence.>.<*