What was there before the universe?

[QJ PIRATE]

i always wanted to know what made stars? then i turned ten and found out

[Nero]

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.



The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.

[Chathurga]

None of them were guesses, they were simple deductions based on the curvature of the horizon, the fact that the light from the moon could come from nowhere else and the fact that it is extremely obvious that almost everything has water somewhere in them.

[jeffy777]

The chances may even be 0.000000000000000000001 that life could elvolve from nothing but there are billions upon billions of planets, it was bound to happen on at least one of them.

To say that life came from nothing (or any other non-living matter) is un-scientific: it has never been observed. There is no evidence for spontaneous generation, nor is it falsifiable. Therefore, it's not far fetched to say that God has always existed and all life came from God.

[Nero]

None of them were guesses, they were simple deductions based on the curvature of the horizon, the fact that the light from the moon could come from nowhere else and the fact that it is extremely obvious that almost everything has water somewhere in them.

yeah but this was in the quran over 1400 years ago, scientists have just found out, any difference? sure...:)

[idk2]

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.



The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.

There is a HUGE difference between guessing and logically forming conclusions. If i wrote a book about things that i figured out logically were true and told people "god told me", would it be the same?

[Abe_Froeman]

Here's good read from a May 22, 2001 New York Times article on the subject:

http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/b...here_was__.htm

[Chathurga]

It was widely known that the world was round 2000+ years ago, it is a common mistake today to say that most people believed the world was flat.
It has always been common knowledge that water in inside most (if not all) living creatures.

[Nero]

It was widely known that the world was round 2000+ years ago, it is a common mistake today to say that most people believed the world was flat.
It has always been common knowledge that water in inside most (if not all) living creatures.

yeah.....exactly in the quran it says that the world is a sphere, at them times people thought it was flat, most scientists look in the quran for information and most of them turn muslims...discovering the truth

here is a website, http://www.injil.org/Kalimatullah/deathsday.html

[Chathurga]

No, no, no, no.
The greeks know the world was not flat, always

most scientists look in the quran for information and most of them turn muslims...discovering the truth

Give me one example.

[Nero]

No, no, no, no.
The greeks know the world was not flat, always

Give me one example.

We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"




A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.
and plenty more if you ask....

[Chathurga]

Again, 1000's of religions, one of them was bound to get it slithy right.

[Nero]

Again, 1000's of religions, one of them was bound to get it slithy right.

want more proof?



Allah Almighty Said: "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE RED HIDE - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a red-rose-shaped explosion. He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into red exploded galaxies looking like red or reddish roses when the Day of Judgement happens.

The explosion of Stars (FORMING RED ROSES), Galaxies and the Universe in the Noble Quran had been confirmed by NASA.


sure ask for some more...:)

[Chathurga]

If a Christian comes in here he will make equally valid points for why his sacred scripture is right.

Lets say I'm born with no religion, I go to a city and find there are many.
Which religion should I choose?
Every religion will find thousands of reasons why I should join them, none will have a clear advantage over any other.

[jeffy777]

I thought this topic was about the before the origin/beginning of the universe, not what religion is best.

[Nero]

we never said that which religion is best..

[Chathurga]

I know but he says the Quran states how it began, I'm just making the point that all religions will cite a different beginning.

[Nero]

I know but he says the Quran states how it began, I'm just making the point that all religions will cite a different beginning.

yup

[mincho]

that doesn't look like a rose to me :P

[Nero]

that doesn't look like a rose to me :P

go ask nasa :)

you must be blind

[mincho]

I say another universe, but it sumehow got destryed and created another with all the elments and crap, then GOD was like WOW that waaz a trip, and he waz cripwalking alover the place lol
-= Double Post =-

go ask nasa :)

you must be blind

FUK nasa they haven't gotten a person to another planet yet so

[Nero]

I say another universe, but it sumehow got destryed and created another with all the elments and crap, then GOD was like WOW that waaz a trip, and he waz cripwalking alover the place lol
-= Double Post =-


FUK nasa they haven't gotten a person to another planet yet so

thats not my point i was talking about the image so

[Chathurga]

FUK nasa they haven't gotten a person to another planet yet so

Fuk? Dunno what that is.
You are actually holding the fact that NASA haven't gotten a person on another planet against them?
You are crazy.



Oh and I'd like to quote a little something out of the Quran:

Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!

That translates to the earth is in a fixed postion. :ROFL:

[Nero]

Fuk? Dunno what that is.
You are actually holding the fact that NASA haven't gotten a person on another planet against them?
You are crazy.



Oh and I'd like to quote a little something out of the Quran:

That translates to the earth is in a fixed postion. :ROFL:

WTF?!! :ROFL: no no no

Abode

One's home; habitation; place of dwelling; or residence. Ordinarily means "domicile." Living place impermanent in character. The place where a person dwells. Residence of a legal voter. Fixed place of residence for the time being. For service of process, one's fixed place of residence for the time being; his or her "usual place of abode."

trying to say that god made the earth and other planets,earth and abode meaning that this is mainly our home our habitat the best planet to be on.
a fixed place of living..:ROFL:

[Chathurga]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I see.

[Nero]

lol glad we got that one cleared up :)

[Chathurga]

Ok, last one.

And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Does this mean god made the stars as weapons to use against the devil?

[Nero]

Ok, last one.


Does this mean god made the stars as weapons to use against the devil?

yeah sometimes, devil eavesdropping to the conversation of allah and the angels, so a falling star strikes the devil!

and yeah when i go pilgrimage, on one day when satan (devil) gets tied up everyone throws stones, and trust me, you can either hear it laughing or crying, even both..seriosly i got scared..

[Alosis]

I believe in the big bang and other dimensions. I have no proof so this is just speculation but I belive something like this; Before the bang, we, as spirits, lived in a lower dimension and outside of time. When the big bang happened that signified our transcendence from a spiritual relm into the physical relm. I don't know how it happened, but I believe something happened to that effect. So nothing physically existed until that point. But I believe plenty existed spiritually.


OT:
I'm not religious either. I think of myself more as spiritual than religious. In fact I blieve everyone has it right, but in their own way. Everyone is to concern with "who is right" and forgetting the simple fact that Love stands above all else. If you believe in Jesus, his teachings were that simple. He was asked what was the highest law or commandment above all others. He said "to love god", but then he immediately followed up with "and to love your neighbor". What is the underlying theme of that?

[iball®]

Nothing.
And 'nothing' is exactly that. Nothing.
Because if you THINK of something then it's not exactly 'nothing' anymore, is it?