What was there before the universe?

[Ciaran_]

Science (from the Latin scientia, 'knowledge') is a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science


Creationism is in no way a science.
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At any rate, Creationism is the only thing that really makes sense. I've read in places about the big bang theory that the universe originated from a single point of highly concentrated energy that expanded and expanded, and once it reaches a certain point or threshold as one of the posters from the beginning of the thread put, and collapses and starts all over. My question to you, which can't be rationally answered, is where did this point of energy come from? Creationism answers this question, therefore it has it's place here.

That does not mean its right. Just that science can't explain.

If they was the case I could make up any story about science understand and by your reasoning its right and just as valid as Creationism.

[psp11]

The Big Bang Theory is seen as the truth by almost all physicists, Christian or not.

[FreePlay]

Creationism is a form of a science

What theories does it postulate?

What experiments can be performed to support its claims?

Can you repeat it?

Can you disprove it?

Does it predict future trends in the behavior of a system?

If you can't answer all of these questions positively, then it's not science at all.

At any rate, Creationism is the only thing that really makes sense. I've read in places about the big bang theory that the universe originated from a single point of highly concentrated energy that expanded and expanded, and once it reaches a certain point or threshold as one of the posters from the beginning of the thread put, and collapses and starts all over. My question to you, which can't be rationally answered, is where did this point of energy come from? Creationism answers this question, therefore it has it's place here.

The energy didn't come from anywhere. It just existed, in the quantum singularity. It emerged from a static system that contained all the energy in the universe.

Creationism doesn't answer this question. Creationism disregards the entire concept of the Big Bang.

[slicer4ever]

There is always room for discussion of God. Creationism is a form of a science, not an exact science, but a science nonetheless based soley on faith. I don't see how you can tell someone there is no room for something after making a comment about Chuch Norris. At any rate, Creationism is the only thing that really makes sense. I've read in places about the big bang theory that the universe originated from a single point of highly concentrated energy that expanded and expanded, and once it reaches a certain point or threshold as one of the posters from the beginning of the thread put, and collapses and starts all over. My question to you, which can't be rationally answered, is where did this point of energy come from? Creationism answers this question, therefore it has it's place here.

r u seriously going to sit their and say creationism is a science... it's an idea from the christian community when science was of little concern and things were not understood as well as they are today, and to bantly say creationism answers the question of where where come from than NO it does not as my question would still reside where did god come from than it can not be answered nor can where the singularity came from be answered you may say that god was always their then i well say the singularity was always their

your augument about creationism being the answer is non sense period as it boils down to the point of where god came from/where the singularity came from and by answering with to one as it was always their would answer for the other!!

[nights]

Freeplay is right.
You can't prove Creationism and you can't disprove it. Its all about faith and faith in what you believe.

[FreePlay]

Um, don't say I'm right then go on to contradict me.

You CAN disprove Creationism.

Science pretty much already has. It has no scientific merit.

[jshep2k5]

What theories does it postulate?

What experiments can be performed to support its claims?

Can you repeat it?

Can you disprove it?

Does it predict future trends in the behavior of a system?

If you can't answer all of these questions positively, then it's not science at all.

The energy didn't come from anywhere. It just existed, in the quantum singularity. It emerged from a static system that contained all the energy in the universe.

Creationism doesn't answer this question. Creationism disregards the entire concept of the Big Bang.

Creationism doesn't disregard the entire concept of the big bang. No one knows how we are here, that's why these are all theories. Creationism can help explain the very point I brought up, where did all this energy come from??? God or the eternal being may have very well put up this point of energy to expand and create life, arguing where it came from is pointless, as we won't ever know for sure.

[Kold Kalamity]

What was there before the universe? Easy. David J. Matthews. Because he's ****in' god I tell you. See? I win. :ROFL:

[FreePlay]

Creationism doesn't disregard the entire concept of the big bang.

Creationism is the RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE that God literally spoke the universe into being about 10,000 years ago. It COMPLETELY throws out the Big Bang.

No one knows how we are here, that's why these are all theories.

The Big Bang is a theory. Creationism is a religious doctrine.

Creationism can help explain the very point I brought up, where did all this energy come from???

Like I said... nowhere. It didn't come from anywhere.

[psp11]

Creationism is the RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE that God literally spoke the universe into being about 10,000 years ago. It COMPLETELY throws out the Big Bang.The Big Bang is a theory. Creationism is a religious doctrine.Like I said... nowhere. It didn't come from anywhere.

No, it doesn't the Big Bang and Creationism fit together.

[FreePlay]

No, it doesn't the Big Bang and Creationism fit together.

You're an imbecile.

Creationism is the literal belief in the account of creation given in the Book of Genesis.

In Genesis, the universe began when God spoke it into being.

There was no big bang in Genesis.

Creationism denies the Big Bang.

[psp11]

I suck at explaining this and will sound like an idiot but here goes.

Whose to say that God created the things how you imagined him to? God could have been responsible for the Big Bang. Yes, he spoke things into existence but how do you know how it happened? I believe in the Big Bang but theres more to it than just a bundle of energy doing its own thing. It was being, for lack of a better word, directed by God. If you haven't noticed the Bible is very vague when it talks about the power of God, because no one would be able to understand it.

Well that's about it. I wish I had my physics teacher explain this, but I did the best I could.
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You're an imbecile.

Creationism is the literal belief in the account of creation given in the Book of Genesis.

In Genesis, the universe began when God spoke it into being.

There was no big bang in Genesis.

Creationism denies the Big Bang.

And the Bible is not always supposed to be taken literally.

[FreePlay]

Whose to say that God created the things how you imagined him to?

Dude, this is what CREATIONISM IS.

Yes, he spoke things into existence but how do you know how it happened?

Creationists believe that it happend precisely as Genesis said: in seven days, in that order, etc.

I believe in the Big Bang but theres more to it than just a bundle of energy doing its own thing. It was being, for lack of a better word, directed by God.

That isn't Creationism.

And the Bible is not always supposed to be taken literally.

If you're a Creationist, you believe Genesis literally. That's what it means to be a Creationist - you believe the Genesis account is a historical record.

[seenit]

@psp11 than where the hell did god come from? if he was always their than so could that singularity have always been there

[FreePlay]

The theory of the quantum singularity implies that time had a beginning... and before it, time simply didn't exist. So the singularity was 'always there' in the sense that it existed at the moment time began, but there was no time before that moment, and it ceased to exist after that moment.

[psp11]

I believe in what science shows us.

[PSPgamer512]

Um, don't say I'm right then go on to contradict me.

You CAN disprove Creationism.

Science pretty much already has. It has no scientific merit.

If you can disprove Creationism then do it.
Who is say that they know exactly what happened when God created the Universe.

[psp11]

Science may have been able to disprove exactly what the theory of Creationism is, but it hasn't disproved that God exists.

[Ciaran_]

Science may have been able to disprove exactly what the theory of Creationism is, but it hasn't disproved that God exists.

Of course not, you can't disprove something that has no interaction with the the universe. There's nothing there we can test which is why science never goes near the subject.

If you can disprove Creationism then do it.

What part do you think is true?

Who is say that they know exactly what happened when God created the Universe.

If you can't say exactly what happened why do you think god did it?

[Skyline34]

No-one knows... no-one's personally met God to ask him/her what he/she did, nor has anyone experienced the Big Bang phenomenon with there own eyes to know what really happened... I'm just going to say i don't have a friggin clue.

[PSPgamer512]

What part do you think is true?

If you can't say exactly what happened why do you think god did it?

Number one I'm not a Creationist, I believe that God helped start the Big Bang.

Number two I think God did it because it's written in Genesis.

And I know some retard will say that in Genesis it says that God created the universe in 7 days. Well it also says somewhere in the Bible that a thousand years on Earth can seem like only seconds to God.

[Darth Budd]

and who wrote genesis?

a jew

can we trust jews?

no. i case your wondering i'm jewish p.s. darth vader was here before the universe

[Sethis]

I was spending the last few hours reading through the responses in this thread, and some of them are truly intriguing.

My theory is that there was another universe before this one. And it occured the Exact same way this universe has occured, thus creating a repetitive time continuum. In the last universe i was typing this same message for you people to read, as i am in this universe. Each universe comes and goes through the universe expansion theory, the universe grows, and then the big crunch and the big bang to start it over again.

i think the universe was all here to start with.

ps. i read some stuff from wikipedia.

[PSPgamer512]

I was spending the last few hours reading through the responses in this thread, and some of them are truly intriguing.

My theory is that there was another universe before this one. And it occured the Exact same way this universe has occured, thus creating a repetitive time continuum. In the last universe i was typing this same message for you people to read, as i am in this universe. Each universe comes and goes through the universe expansion theory, the universe grows, and then the big crunch and the big bang to start it over again.

i think the universe was all here to start with.

ps. i read some stuff from wikipedia.

I heard that theory, not any of the stuff about a copy universe, on the History Channel.

[FreePlay]

which means that nothing was before it, because before it was it ;)

[Sethis]

When i read the last too posts, PSPgamer512 made me smile. and Freeplays post made me open smile =D

I plan to read more here =D

Sethis

[seenit]

argument after argument have been played out here and yet i bet no one has yet to change their mind

[FreePlay]

I plan to read more here =D

Willkommen.

[eldiablov]

I believe in what science shows us.

So you don't believe in creationism ?

The evidence is out there. Go do some research.

[Chathurga]

So you don't believe in creationism ?

The evidence is out there. Go do some research.

lol wewt?