What was there before the universe?

[FreePlay]

Evidence for creationism?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. The Bible is not evidence.

[psp11]

The Bible isn't evidence, oh i guess it's just being used at public schools as a historical book so the teachers can feed lies to their students. The Bible is extremely accurate. Have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Look it up.

[chiraag]

God and science are one. When the Big Bang was recreated at CERN, the heard "Om", a religious hindu mantra, which is chanted during meditation to help clear the mind. The Buddha was so close to God and Enlightenment that he came up with a number-the number of times matter undergoes changes in a second-just by meditating. Scientists today, through experiments, have found this to be close very close to the actual number. Amazing, solid, hardcore proof, that some higher form of energy exists. Just like when the Big Bang happened and there was just energy and "Om". That is God.

[Chathurga]

God and science are one. When the Big Bang was recreated at CERN, the heard "Om", a religious hindu mantra, which is chanted during meditation to help clear the mind. The Buddha was so close to God and Enlightenment that he came up with a number-the number of times matter undergoes changes in a second-just by meditating. Scientists today, through experiments, have found this to be close very close to the actual number. Amazing, solid, hardcore proof, that some higher form of energy exists. Just like when the Big Bang happened and there was just energy and "Om". That is God.

What the hell?
You are mad, period.

Source of the Cern/"Om" stuff.

[PSPgamer512]

Willkommen.

Du kennst dutsch?
-= Double Post =-

The Bible isn't evidence, oh i guess it's just being used at public schools as a historical book so the teachers can feed lies to their students.

If you live in America the only way it would be in public schools is if they were teaching the literary elements of the book.

[FreePlay]

The Bible isn't evidence, oh i guess it's just being used at public schools as a historical book so the teachers can feed lies to their students. The Bible is extremely accurate. Have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Look it up.

Which farking country do you live in where the BIBLE is used in PUBLIC SCHOOLS as a HISTORY BOOK?

The fact that a book contains historical fact does not make the book factual. Many fiction books contain bits of history.

When the Big Bang was recreated at CERN, the heard "Om", a religious hindu mantra, which is chanted during meditation to help clear the mind.

Except... they haven't performed that experiment yet, so you're full of crap
See?

Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator and collider located at CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland (46°14′N, 6°03′E). Currently under construction, the LHC is scheduled to begin operation in May 2008.

Du kennst dutsch?

Nur ein wenig.

[madsoul]

lets face it. we will never know what happened for sure. end of story.we are too dumb

[PSPgamer512]

Nur ein wenig.

Ich auch.

lets face it. we will never know what happened for sure. end of story.we are too dumb

True, and not true.
We won't know while we live on Earth, but if you believe in God you could just ask him when you die.

[madsoul]

True, and not true.
We won't know while we live on Earth, but if you believe in God you could just ask him when you die.

...wutz...? :/ lol.. what has that to do with this issue?

[PSPgamer512]

...wutz...? :/ lol.. what has that to do with this issue?

I meant you could ask God what there was before the universe was created

[madsoul]

I meant you could ask God what there was before the universe was created

if i asked him how the universe was created im sure his answer would be "diarrhea"

[FreePlay]

lets face it. we will never know what happened for sure. end of story.we are too dumb

Defeatist attitudes toward science are uncannily similar to religion...

[madsoul]

Defeatist attitudes toward science are uncannily similar to religion...

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darling

[psp11]

Nevermind, not a history book. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ublic_schools/

[kev]

apparently according to M-theory there was like another universe (apparently the 11th dimmension) when 2 membranes collided with each other they made the big bang

[GDG]

Well personally I believe that it was probably just one dot that contained the whole atomic nature of the universe.

For those people who still have doubts about creation, I ask you one thing that no one has explained without saying that there is something greater out there.
How does a grand explosion, which usually occurs in pieces flying everywhere and being destroyed, create and cause pieces to collide together perfectly thus creating planets, stars, animals, etc?

If you can answer me this without using the simple fact that there is God, I'll eat my own tongue!

[Ciaran_]

For those people who still have doubts about creation, I ask you one thing that no one has explained without saying that there is something greater out there.
How does a grand explosion, which usually occurs in pieces flying everywhere and being destroyed, create and cause pieces to collide together perfectly thus creating planets, stars, animals, etc?

If you know the theory of the big bang and evolution properly you would know the answers to these although I assume you really don't want to know/believe them as they go against your faith.

There was debris flying every where, our universe is packed with space dust shows this. This debris gathered when they were caught by the gravity of stars to form planets and galaxy's.

You seem to assuming that the way the universe formed to be prefect for life but you have it the wrong way around. Life formed to be perfect for the environment.


BTW just cause you can't answer something doesn't prove god did it.

[FreePlay]

How does a grand explosion, which usually occurs in pieces flying everywhere and being destroyed, create and cause pieces to collide together perfectly thus creating planets, stars, animals, etc?

If you can answer me this without using the simple fact that there is God, I'll eat my own tongue!

Okay.

INSIDE the universe, explosions cause disorder, because there's space for stuff to fly out into.

When the UNIVERSE ITSELF explodes, it's not really exploding. It's just expanding. It creates the space in which order can form.

Ergo, it creates order.

[Mister Chief]

Can it expand again?

[FreePlay]

It is expanding right now.

so GDG... how's that tongue?

[Jatt101]

It is expanding right now.

so GDG... how's that tongue?

Isn't space infinite, space doesn't end...right?
...theres no end/boundary?

(asking..not asserting)

[Ciaran_]

Isn't space infinite, space doesn't end...right?
...theres no end/boundary?

(asking..not asserting)

Nope, there is an edge to the universe which is moving away from us. Estimates put the size at 78 billion lights so it might as well be infinite in relation to us.

[FreePlay]

If you think about it, the concept of the Big Bang requires that space has a boundary, since the entirety of the universe was contained in a finite space before. The Big Bang didn't 'destroy' the boundary; it just pushed it out like the surface of an expanding balloon.

[Jatt101]

Really? I always thought that matter was compacted but space was infinitive during the bingbang.

Space is just space with nothing...empty...right?


So if there is finite space? whats after the boundary? Is space contained in another medium?

And what do you think about dark energy & dark matter?

[FreePlay]

Space isn't contained 'in' anything; outside of space is nothing, because for 'something' to exist, it must be in space.

The Big Bang made space itself expand.

Dark energy and dark matter I don't really know much about.

[Jatt101]

Estimated distribution of dark matter and dark energy in the universe:




Dark matter was discovered when looking at empty space, if though there was no type of matter present there was a gravitational pull and mass present. This theory hasn't really been proven but its consider the force that keeps the whole universe together and makes up most of the mass of the universe. Interesting read if you're into physics and astronomy.

[Ciaran_]

They think they've proved dark matter http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...rk-matter.html

[Jatt101]

They think they've proved dark matter http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...rk-matter.html

Right...I think its dark energy they're still trying to get a hold of and figure what it actually is. I was reading The Economist and the article stated that its a race to find dark matter on earth and how they built labs deep below the earth and in mines, in hopes of detecting one.

[Atreyu_Fan]

before the universe, there was nothing, simple as that

[whitehawk]

Another universe.

The universe is currently expanding, but at some point it won't have enough energy to keep on expanding. When the (mass x energy) levels reach a certain threshold, the universe will start to contract. When it reaches the origin of the Big Bang, the collision of everything will create a new big bang and the universe is recreated.

It's pretty mind boggling when you think of it that way. That means there was another human like smart species billions even trillions of years ago, and there will be again in another trillion years. Or maybe there won't, and maybe there will be some sort of species that we cannot even comprehend.

And it's scary to think that the universe has 'always' existed. Everything has a start right? So at the VERY beginning, to think that there is nothing. Literally nothing. Is so ****ing scary.