'Moon Landing' Real or Hoax?

[Joey]

The Status of the Moon Landing has about as much impact on all of our daily lives, as what Brad Pitt is doing right now...

Yes... The Moon Landing has reached the level of celebrity Gossip...

Maybe even less so, because Scarlett Johanson's life is actually much more compelling than the Moon, and weather we've been there.

[Macca]

But you are adding nothing to this discussion, the topic is "Was the moon landing real or a hoax?" not "Does the moon landing affect our lives?"

It doesnt really matter if it affects our life or not, if people want to discuss it, then they should be able to.

[Joey]

But you are adding nothing to this discussion, the topic is "Was the moon landing real or a hoax?" not "Does the moon landing affect our lives?"

It doesnt really matter if it affects our life or not, if people want to discuss it, then they should be able to.

When did I say they shouldn't be allowed to disscuss it? If that were the case, I would have just closed the Thread a long time ago.

Since it's obvious that there are some people that believe one thing, and other that believe something else, I decided to add another element. The "why does it matter" element...

I mean, to be quite honest, you say I'm not adding anything to this disscussion, but nothing has been added to it since page 5... No new information has been added since, it's just been the same people, saying the same thing, for 5 straight pages.

[FLai]

Nothing fishy at all. After the moon landing clamor died down and everyone saw the footage televised, they just packed it up in a crate and sent it into storage.
Trust me, the government has piles and piles of things they've "lost" in storage.
It's not missing, they just can't find it in the warehouse or can't find which warehouse it's in.
I've closed down military installations before and found some really odd **** they "lost" when they stored it all in old ammo bunkers and forgot about it.
Everything from boxes of ancient .50 cal rounds to hundreds of mosquito nets to cots to tank tarps, etc.
Remember, some flunky probably wound up being the one to actually move the films and he/she probably either forgot to write down where it was, the paperwork is lost, etc. Remember, this was decades ago.

Not making fun of iBall but, you seem to have done everything! Any thread that exists you seem to be able to close all arguments with one reply. So what the hell are you?! Some government inside man/computer expert?!

@MaDSouL, smarter than what exactly? At least I can have my own opinion without following fcuking America like a lost sheep. I can have whatever opinion I want, and if I decide that I don't believe the moon landing happened, so be it. Who the hell are you to imply I am stupid for having an opinion different from yours?

[Joey]

Not making fun of iBall but, you seem to have done everything! Any thread that exists you seem to be able to close all arguments with one reply. So what the hell are you?! Some government inside man/computer expert?!

@MaDSouL, smarter than what exactly? At least I can have my own opinion without following fcuking America like a lost sheep. I can have whatever opinion I want, and if I decide that I don't believe the moon landing happened, so be it. Who the hell are you to imply I am stupid for having an opinion different from yours?

That's the thing about freedom of opinion. If you're willing to state it, you should be willing to be able to take critisizm.

It appears that you (like most people), aren't able to handle both.

I understand not blindly accepting everything the government pushes on us as fact, but this one is such a stretch, and it makes you look like a moron to canstantly defend something that's so stupid.

[madsoul]

@MaDSouL, smarter than what exactly? At least I can have my own opinion without following fcuking America like a lost sheep. I can have whatever opinion I want, and if I decide that I don't believe the moon landing happened, so be it. Who the hell are you to imply I am stupid for having an opinion different from yours?

you can have your opinion but i think its strange you cant give any good facts on why they wouldent have gone to the moon. if i would stand for something i belive in i would pump out all the facts i had to prove that i am right (like i have) , you just say "i dont belive it!" and dont give me any facts on why you think it is that way. okay, im sorry for stating you are an idiot. your not (thats why i couldent belive your opinion on this topic ). sorry... anyway, im not american so that is not the reason for me to think the the americans where there. i just base my thoughts on pure facts and evidence. once again, sorry for calling you an idiot :o

[FLai]

you can have your opinion but i think its strange you cant give any good facts on why they wouldent have gone to the moon. if i would stand for something i belive in i would pump out all the facts i had to prove that i am right (like i have) , you just say "i dont belive it!" and dont give me any facts on why you think it is that way. okay, im sorry for stating you are an idiot. your not (thats why i couldent belive your opinion on this topic ). sorry... anyway, im not american so that is not the reason for me to think the the americans where there. i just base my thoughts on pure facts and evidence. once again, sorry for calling you an idiot :o

Its no problem, but, I don't trust America and they had the motive to do it. I don't believe it happened. I won't tell everyone else that thinks it did happen is a idiot. They have the right to their opinion. And a few sperious articles from around the web doesn't prove me wrong. The people who wrote those articles could be wrong. Its funny, cause in all the documentaries I have watched on the moon landing, not one NASA head has pointed out anything that any of you guys have to prove that they did land on the moon.

[Joey]

I think you're just hating the government, to hate them...

No reason... Just wanna hate them...

People used to find reasons to hate the government, but now it seems hating the government is it's own reason.

[AzureBlack]

yes well hating the government sems to be a trend thes days, politically active teens = stupidity. I have my own reasons for despising the US government.

1.) Ive been in the military, I know what they think of their own "civilians"
2.) America was based on free morality and was supposed tobe "Do anything you want just so long as it doesnt hurt anyone else."
Funny how land of the free is really the land of the restricted isnt it?

[FLai]

I am not a politically active teen. Infact, I couldn't care less. BTW, I am not American. We had to send our troops (Britain) into your stupid "War on Terrorism" that just turned into a war for oil. Say what you want about America but you have made alot of mistakes.

[Ciaran_]

Its funny, cause in all the documentaries I have watched on the moon landing, not one NASA head has pointed out anything that any of you guys have to prove that they did land on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_...and_withdrawal

[FLai]

Meh, can't be proven either way. NASA can say what they want and it might not be true. Theorists can say whatever they want because they are theorists. Can't seem to be able to prove it one way or another. Still stick by my beliefs though. Notice how NASA funded the book?

[Chathurga]

Errrrr.... of course they did because they are sick of people ****ting on their huge accomplishment.

[Ciaran_]

Meh, can't be proven either way. NASA can say what they want and it might not be true. Theorists can say whatever they want because they are theorists. Can't seem to be able to prove it one way or another. Still stick by my beliefs though. Notice how NASA funded the book?

We can prove it, theres huge amounts of evidence in our favour and anything the conspiracy thorists have can be completley discredited.

Of course the ****ing book is funded by NASA thats what you wanted know.

[FLai]

Ok, well what about the Hassleblad camera they used? It wouldn't survive the moon's radiation and they said the alloy film, which is basically tinfoil they used stopped the C120 plate on which the picture was held form being irradiated. Impossible. Counter-point that.

Also, what about shadows? There shouldn't have been any. There is no light source.

[madsoul]

Ok, well what about the Hassleblad camera they used? It wouldn't survive the moon's radiation and they said the alloy film, which is basically tinfoil they used stopped the C120 plate on which the picture was held form being irradiated. Impossible. Counter-point that.

Also, what about shadows? There shouldn't have been any. There is no light source.

lol, let me see here... we got a sun, we got a glowing earth, and i think the moon also shine in a way... read the two links i posted sometime ago and EVERYTHING is explained..

[Ciaran_]

Ok, well what about the Hassleblad camera they used? It wouldn't survive the moon's radiation and they said the alloy film, which is basically tinfoil they used stopped the C120 plate on which the picture was held form being irradiated. Impossible. Counter-point that.

They were held in metal cans...

Also, what about shadows? There shouldn't have been any. There is no light source.

There is no atmosphere on the moon so any sunlight is not scattered and is much more directional, which is why you get heavy black shadows. Think about whats its like when you are walking around at night with just one light source.

[FLai]

Yes, hmm, metal cans. Thats not true but ok. You do know that old film for cameras disintigrated when put through the X-ray at an airport? Well, the technology used for the moon landing photos where alot more volatile than that and would not have survived on the moon even in metal cans, though it was alloy film. Look, my dad worked as a photographer and knows alot about this, so when he says that the plates used would not have survived as they were too delicate, I would take his word for it rather than some nut you found on google.

[Ciaran_]

Yes, hmm, metal cans. Thats not true but ok.

Erm yes it is, they were carried in metal cans.

You do know that old film for cameras disintigrated when put through the X-ray at an airport?

X-rays in space are on hundreth that of what you get in a x ray machine at the airport

Well, the technology used for the moon landing photos where alot more volatile than that and would not have survived on the moon even in metal cans, though it was alloy film. Look, my dad worked as a photographer and knows alot about this, so when he says that the plates used would not have survived as they were too delicate, I would take his word for it rather than some nut you found on google.

He's been to space or has any experience of space at all?
"the Hasselblad magazines were modified to provide thicker material for the casing, and the film was kept in the magazines during the entire mission ... X-ray astronomers say the x-rays from celestial sources radiate at energy levels of less than 5 keV (thousand elecron-volts) ... 3 keV x-rays ... will not even penetrate air for more than a dozen centimeters. " - http://www.clavius.org/envradfilm.html

Hmm, the radiation is absorbed by about a foot of air, how much you think could of got through a metal camera.

[Chathurga]

I want to see how he gets outa this one.

[FLai]

Yeh, the camera's were not modified. That is complete bull****. I have watched alot of documentaries and not one NASA official has said that the cameras were modified. Infact the best answer they have given is "We took the pictures, it happened"

Stop pulling pages you got from google out of your ass and do some real research.

[Chathurga]

Obviously you haven't done any, you still think it didn't happen.

[FLai]

Obviously you haven't done any, you still think it didn't happen.

And I always will. Again, this is the very last time I will say this, just because you pull some page from Google out of your arse, does not make it right, nor does it counter point any of my theories.

[Ciaran_]

Yeh, the camera's were not modified. That is complete bull****. I have watched alot of documentaries and not one NASA official has said that the cameras were modified. Infact the best answer they have given is "We took the pictures, it happened"

So you've seen documentaries that you can't name and thats proof? Were these completley biased "documentaries" btw?

Stop pulling pages you got from google out of your ass and do some real research.

Like what? What real research have you done?

[FLai]

Actually used reliable resources, books, reports and such.

[Ciaran_]

And what "used reliable resources" are you getting info from?

[FLai]

And what "used reliable resources" are you getting info from?

Books, documentaries reports, history documentation. Look, I will still stick by my opinion and nothing you do is gonna change my mind. And if it turns out it never did happen, you are gonna look like a fcuking fool.

[Joey]

And if it turns out it never did happen, you are gonna look like a fcuking fool.

Well, considering it did happen, I think we'll all take that chance...

P.S. by your logic, you all ready look like a fool...

[PSPHax0r9]

Books, documentaries reports, history documentation. Look, I will still stick by my opinion and nothing you do is gonna change my mind. And if it turns out it never did happen, you are gonna look like a fcuking fool.

Cite these "sources" please?

You have been thoroughly disproved in every point you have made. Then you go and say tha these vague sources out of nowhere suddenly prove that the U.S. did not land on the moon. Of course!

It is one thing to have an opinion. It is another to have an ignorant, uninformed opinion, and not be willing to accept any factual evidence. All of which points to you being wrong.

[xigency]

In response to the argument that humans couldn't survive the radiation belts:

If dogs could, why couldn't humans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_space_dogs