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I after reading thought all this the only thing I can say is that TMM should be banned for some amount of time. He did what he did and he shouldn't get off so easy.
OT: Why in the Immunity options on VBplaza in the Change Custom Avatar Immunity still there now even after that option has been removed.
Wow..I seriously hope this is a ****ing joke.
I would never forgive anyone who calls me a moron, a ***, "TMGay", then hacks my friends accounts and uses it to ban me and some other friends.
If he wants to start a clean slate, let him, it doesn't make a difference to me. He's the same loser he's always been, in my opinion
QJ will regret this, you will.
PS: To those who are using my unban as a comparison: I didn't hack the forums during my ban, remember that.
That's enough off topic posts or you will be banned from this thread.
Edit - I've deleted them, you know who you are, so heed the warning as this will be the only one.
TMK's ban being lifted had a very similar reaction backstage to this one. But unlike this one TMK behaved during his permaban, he didnt keep attempting to come back with dupe accounts, he took his punishment like an adult (apart from some little rants on team duck :p). The Milkman had various dupes that lasted a short time before being discovered and now has these recent "hacks" under his list of achievements. His ban was entirely different to TMKs situation so anyone comparing them can drop it.
I hope that The Milkman doesn't blow this last chance that Myst has given him. I know TMK and youresam have shown a great improvement being on such thin ice, lets hope The Milkman does the same.
I really don't want to start an arguemnet but WTF? A ban (my little description :p):Zitat:
Zitat von Phil
A ban is when someone is not allowed to access or enter something, maybe because he/she has done something that he/she should not have done. A ban can be a for a set amount of time or if permanent then obviously, it is permanent ;).
So, my point is that a perma-ban is PERMANENT, not just for a long time until the admin decides he/she didn't create dupe accounts or rant in other forums about being banned and so he/she is unbanned....I am sure you can see my point.
I see your point completely. And I 100% agree that a permaban should be permanent. It's just not my place to stir up trouble in public, I'm here to try and stop the trouble happening. My opinion on the matter has been stated backstage and that's where it will stay.Zitat:
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While TheMilkman may be resolving QJ's security issues, I still believe that a permaban should stay a permaban. I mean, he compromised people's security and he could have taken their personal information, PayPal information and so on. While many may argue that he is gonna behave and help sort QJ's security bugs, what's to say he won't do it again? I think, in this instance, the permaban should stay a permanban. I mean, he's hacked the forums and created multiple accounts, which warrants a REAL permaban anyway, but just because he says he will help sort out the security issues and that he is a reformed character, he gets let back into the community that he could have so easily and effortlessly ruined? I don't agree with this whatsoever but time will tell whether the right decision has been made. I just hope this WAS the right decision, otherwise QJ = Bye bye.
Just leave it, they gave him what he wanted, he purposely hacked the forums so they unban him and sort out the security issues (pretty obvious) Their mistake, not ours.
its interesting though, would you rather leave him banned to wreck the forums with little exploits and keep stealing accounts, or let him come here and help us?
There is a reason why microsoft, symantec and novell look to hire hackers at defcon.....
We're like anti-America. We associate WITH terrorist.
he isnt a terrorist...
Look in the real world, kid gets convicted of hacking police deptartment computers. He is smart, did very little harm and offered to fix it. What does the government do? Instead of locking a 16 year old kid in jail, they put him to work for them, finding new exploits and helping them patch up their system.
I see no difference here
Well you could just find the exploits on these 'hacker sites'.Zitat:
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I doubt the milkman found them himself.
Yep the goverments are so hypocritical. Theives get locked up but they could be helping making security systems but we don't see it as that.Zitat:
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But anyway back on topic. Why shouldn't he be banned, we should just leave it here, and never speak about it again.
How is QJ considered "America" anyways? And plus, it's the admins decisions to ban who they want; for whatever reason. It's THEIR site after all. Jesus.Zitat:
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This thread is being misused as a place to flame themilkman, so it should be closed.
I said were LIKE America.
@SeanyP. They made Google for a reason :P
If QJ had the latest secuirty updates, maybe it wouldn't be so easily hacked.Zitat:
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You say that now but would you want to leave all the vBplazza stuff, all the templates, all mods. Basically everything? I bet when that happened you would not be too happy at all.Zitat:
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Please don't speak on matters of which you know not.Zitat:
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Everyone else - You obviously feel strongly about this, and I'm asking again for the short, quip posts to stop. If you feel like openly discussing this matter, then do so with thought out replies please.
Im not saying he should be banned. I feel that if he HELPS us and promises to NEVER hack QJ again then Im happy.
I think we ALL deserve an apology from him though.
Like i said in my original post on page 20. Myst should have reported him to the higher up internet authorities. The ones that trace your ip and contact all the people. Idk what its called but i think u know what i meanZitat:
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The forums were not exploited.Zitat:
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It was a security flaw in the main blogging CMS.
So wait a sec they are having him patch something that can't be patched other then the fact they will have to disable links fully to prevent the malicious links. I understand as hackers getting hired to do stuff...For that is how I got my Job. But to say that he did it out of retaliation and to say its "were sorry for banning you, we will unban you for doing this..." shows to me that TMM is like a 3 year old kid screaming for attention and Mysticals and only Mysticals since it wasn't not discussed before the unban is the Crappy parent that will do whatever it takes to shut it up.
By not banning him is going to kill the forums as ppl will be rather afraid to click links and the :google: icon will be used way more and make life more difficult for ppl. I personally thought these forums would be safe as mods like Abe and NeilR and a few others kept it clean and safe. But when they get undermined and don't even get a say whether to unban or not is just crap and makes their Job ten times harder. And possible not as safe for they will not be able to keep up with the mimics that will follow since they think they can now get away with it... and if Sever punishment comes to them they will always point to TMM as getting away with it scott Free.
Before he was unbanned people were afraid.Zitat:
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They should have just removed MyQJ completely, and made it into a new forum section. Therefore the milkman would have had nothing to exploit and this thread would have never had to have been made.Zitat:
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I have a feeling this won't be the last time these forums get hacked. Getting someone who hacked your forums to "patch" it is not a great idea. :p
Change all your passwords everyone. :)
He isn't 'patching' the forum at all, they aren't hiring him as a worker.
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Same thing really.Zitat:
So I have granted a pardon atm and unbanned him for the time being. I do not wish anyone to flame or troll him... he knows what he did was wrong and he couldve been much worse.. so atm he is helping to identify and fix issues.
That's bull**** though.
LISTEN EVERYONE.
Here is what I know:
The bug was not in MyQJ, but MyQJ was used in the attack to appear as you were going to MyQJ and not having your cookies stolen. Basically how he implmented it was specified for QJ, but the technicalities behind this will work for any site with a "remember me" button on it.
And a search bar.Zitat:
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Ok Im closing this. Look I know people are ok with this and others are against it. I have my reasons for things, and some of the mains ones are that people can rest easier for one.
Why not see what happens over time.. Most of you always complained that people get perma banned and always do a "Free User" type chain then flame at us for things...
Look. TMM always said if too much goes on... he would take the ban again... anyways, locking for now.