agreed !! except i would put hardcore gamers in the bit about people realising 360 is a better console and a good percentage of those will most likelly own both!Zitat:
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agreed !! except i would put hardcore gamers in the bit about people realising 360 is a better console and a good percentage of those will most likelly own both!Zitat:
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im talking about value for money, if some said here is a powerful console with 50 developers and 100 games and its 300 pounds and then some1 said here is a less powerful console with 50 developers and 100 games but it has blu ray oh and its 500 pounds. Id get the 300 pound console. The fact of the matter is xbox lacked developers which is why ps2 won. Now xbox 360 has near enough the same amount of developers as the ps3. Shud b a close battle.Zitat:
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in that case this is the same thing of DS vs GBA vs PSP
DS is 150 dollars
GBA (not SP) is 30 dollars
GBA SP is 70 dollars
PSP is 250 dollars
that remind u of somethin... people bought the better console even though it doesnt have too many good games right now.
xbox360 rumored to be 300
revoultion.. well knowing nintendo it will be the cheapest so around 200 dollars
ps3 well people say 500 but we dont know so ill put 300- 500
lol they said it costs nearly 600 dollars to develop. No way they could sell it for 300. Losing 300 dollars every console sold.....ouch.Zitat:
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yea.. but if that killzone trailer really plays and looks like that... i dont think it matters how much they sell they console ;)Zitat:
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lol well it will cuz i have no doubt the ps3 cud run something like that, but halo 3 will probably look better ;) which is out around the same time. And well it does make a difference £500 is alot of money, i know that no parents i know will buy some1 a christmas present that expensive. But a 360 for around £300 is reasonable. And at christmas xbox 360 + halo 3 £250 or a £500 ps3 with nothing but a controller. They probs wont even include a memory stick.Zitat:
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u dunno if halo with come with xbox360.. it might... but that would be dumb.. since they lose money on the console they would be smarter to sell it without halo 3... and i personally think that halo 3 isnt going to be out that soon look at the jump from halo to halo 2 dual weilding.. online... more maps.. and thats about it.. the graphics were a little better.. but i have seen better looking ps2 gamesZitat:
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lol well in 2006 im pretty sure halo 3 will be ready. And im pretty sure I know what MS will do, drop the price and release a special edition halo 3 package with a custom halo 3 face plate with a special edition halo 3 copy.Zitat:
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edit: infact probably a black console with custom face plate.
why would they sell it with the console with a price drop when they lose money on the console... that meaaning more people that buy the more money they loseZitat:
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lol i dont think ur getting this, they want to destory ps3 sales. What better way than offer a console with a price drop (that is going to happen anyway as demand for the console decreases), they also release it with a free games which just so happens to be the almighty halo 3, and you get a limited edition console. Hell even people that already own an xbox 360 will buy a black limited edtion halo one.Zitat:
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so your saying... they will kill ps3's sales.. for them just to lose more money....? well i highly doubt that.. people who want to ps3 is going to buy it whether or not halo is out and media jukies will buy it as well and people that just like espensive stuff will also...
well they wont lose money. In 1 year production costs will be less and so price can be reduced. And if they have more 360s in homes then that means more games sales and means more profits. Youve got to spend money to make money.Zitat:
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Oblivion, you say that the XBOX will be the more powerful console, with the only difference being no Blu-Ray. It's funny, considering that they don't even have a working prototype of the PS3 using the Cell and RSX chips, simply because they're not even finished with them. Also, the PS3 is going to come out a year later. The PS3 will be the more powerful console. Look at the XBOX and the PS2. Power doesn't win console wars, but like it or not, it is a major deciding factor to the market. Just remember this. Nobody here knows anything for sure about any of the consoles, since both companies said that the specs are subject to change dramatically, or even just slightly. We really don't need threads like this, trying to decide what is going to happen. Hell, most everyone here has made up their minds already, and the CONSOLES AREN'T EVEN OUT YET. Strange. Also, about the PS3 price tag. It's a rumor. Everyone is being dragged into the rumor mill, and everyone should know rumors have no credability. The PS3 isn't out yet, and if Sony wants to compete with Microsoft, they will have to have a competative price tag to survive as a market leader in the video game industry.
First thing, the xbox can outpreform he ps3. The specs on the ps3 are bs. they arehigh were it dosen't matter. while the cuz has the high stuff in the places where it mmakes a differnce.
Second, ppl willl buy the ps3 isit's 500. but their won't be a lot of ppl. Most ppl aren't spending 500 on a video game console. It will not be 5300 dllars i can tell you that.
that doesnt matter.. the orignal playstation was 449.99 and people bought it like it was 100 dollars.. see that a CD rom players and the abilty to play music gets u... people who want whatever console will get it..Zitat:
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Excuse me...it was HOW much? Nuh uh. No. Invalid fact.
The original Playstation launched in the US at $299. You must be thinking 3DO to have a number that high...or you shop at REALLY bad stores.
i just got my new issue of OPM (offical playstation mag) and thats is what they said... even though i dont remeber buying it that much.. i bought it for 300 like u saidZitat:
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playstation sux... just buy xbox. the only thing sony is good for is PSP. which is a playstation but u know what i mean. just buy xbox 360 it is gonna be the greatest thing EVER.
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I can barely even tell that you're trying to diss on the PS3, let alone what you're trying to say. Shows the intelligence of your typical Microsoft fanboy. Sony made this thing FOR GAMES and MULTIMEDIA, so of course they'll make the spces work well for games. Seriously, Sony isn't 2nd rate, and they aren't stupid. The Xbox can outperform the PS3.... how, exactly? The Xbox uses a Pentium 3 processor that runs at about 700 Mhz, with an older generation Nvidia graphics core. Why is the PS2 outselling the Xbox? Most people that are gamers aren't stupid. The PS2 has truly good games. The Xbox is more powerful than the PS2, but it isn't, and never will be, more powerful than the PS3. If you're talking about the Xbox 360, then, you're still wrong, since the PS3 is coming out much later, Sony said that the specs will change, and just look at the Xbox and PS2. The Xbox came out later than the PS2, and it's way more powerful. Same with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Think before you post, and try to be unbiased. Just give it a try.
No no..the E3 announcement that was made in 1995 was as follows.
Steve Race, SCEA, "$299."
This was shortly after Sega announced that the Saturn would be $399. They later lowered the launch price to attempt to match Sega.
Trust me...I was in the audience when it happened and I was one of the ones clapping.
When they announced $199 the next year, the same scene was repeated. :)
EDIT-BTW, remember that the XBox is locked in and ready to ship. The PS3, however, is numbers on a paper and can change repeatedly up until its eventual launch, which might not happen until 2007. Awfully hard to compare theory to reality.
Where is sony going to get the parts to make the ps3 even better, They can't it blows. It's sad hoe you don't relieze that a few higher # In the Wrong places don't make a console better. So just cuz something came out later it's better. :ROFL:Zitat:
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So you want Sony to actualy make the ps3 better then the 360, that way i would cost 600.
The reason the xbox didn't sell more games then the ps2 is because it lacked support from game developers. Something M$ has fixed.
Look at the game with the best graphics on the ps2 and tell me those graphics are better then Ninja Gaiden.
ummmmm wrong go to http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614783p1.html to look at a side by side comparison... looks like to PS3 is more powerful in ... just about everything.Zitat:
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My god. I've given up trying to understand what you're saying. You have severe brain damage. Like it or not, the PS3 has the 'high numbers in the right places for games'. That seems to be the only way I can accurately convey a message to you... So, when Sony makes the PS3 better than the 360, you're going to cost $600...? How did M..... money? What the hell? That's not even a company! You must mean Microsoft. Anyways, how did they 'fix' this? Did they just make a bunch of new companies out of nowhere?Zitat:
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Ok then, you want to know in detail why the 360 is better,
The PS3 higher computing power, but it isn't more powerful. why, you ask \ 360 GPU has EDRAM which allows Anti Aliasing of HD resolution without taking processor time An ex. is take to a good game and a video card, run at 1900x1600 without AA, then turn it on. You'll see how many fps you lose.
Also read these
http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/2...3-part-1-of-4/
http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/2...3-part-2-of-4/
http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/2...3-part-3-of-4/
http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/2...3-part-4-of-4/
maybe thats because ther idiots.Zitat:
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for 1 they say the cell is 2 teralflops and the G5 does 1 teralflops. Wrong!!.
PS3:
CPU=0.25 TFlops
GPU=1.80 TFlops for both Pixel and Vertex Shaders
XBOX360:
CPU=0.18 TFlops
GPU=0.88 TFlops for Unified Shaders=1.75 TFlops for combined Pixel and Vertex Shaders
the first post I made clearly shows the tflops of each component. And as you can see the ps3 wins by 100Gflops however. For all you idiots out ther this is peak performance, ie maximum when all of the vertex and pixel shaders are used at 100% effiecieny. A Normal pc graphics card has around 70% effeciency. The ati card for the 360 has 100% because it has unified shaders. So lets change this figures a little bit.
Ps3 gpu = 1.8 tflops x 0.7 = 1.26 teraflops. So on average the ps3 will do 1.26 teraflops. Now 0.25 + 1.26 = 1.51 teraflops. And the xbox 360 does 1.9 teraflops. As you can see the ps3 is slower. Sony said at the conference the ps3 did 2 teralfops. They twisted it, they counted pixel and vertex shaders, no1 every does this. So why would sony? They got scared, they seen that the 360 was more powerful and so generated some numbers to make it seem more powerful. Im not going to pursaude any of you sony fanboys because you have it fixed in your mind that the $500 console is better than a $300, "er duh duh look the ps3 is more expensive duh and it came out a year later and that ken dude said it was ****ing uber 1337 and sonys consoles r0x0rs. Wrong! sony make terrible consoles, the psx and ps2 archetecture was sh!te.
For all those ppl who are saying sonys is coming out later they have time to change it, it will be more powerful no it wont! If ati had made a normal graphics card you would be right since the rsx would have been faster because its coming out later. But unified shaders make the ati faster due to 100% effeciency. And the cell processor cannot be changed, they cant add anymore spes or anymore cores, its fixed, it will do 0.25 teralfops, sony cannot and will not change that, the price of such a change would outweight any lost sales due to the 360 being better. So sony fanboys, sony have let you down just like they did with the ps2, promised loads and gave you nothing.
Ppl say im an xbox fanboy, even though my best console is my gamecube. All i see is one company (MS) being downgraded by sony because there lying and preying on idiots. Look at the specs, dont look at sonys specs look at the real ones and you will see. Xbox 360 is faster, not to mention the fact that it doesnt require any processing power to do 4AA which sony will require. I tell you what read up and prove me wrong, but you cant.
OblivionX
Thank you
I always need help proving that the 360 is better
erm it made perfect sence to me. For them to make the ps3 better they would need to swap out the rsx for something better or have 2 of them. Since its only losing in the graphics department due to its fixed shaders. Increasing the overal price, and it wudnt be 600 it would be closer to 700 or 800. M$ means microsoft everyone knows this dont nit pick. They had less developers first time around and no they didnt make some companies you idiot, with the xbox it was a new console and so developers (that already exist didnt want to offer support because it was new and not guarenteed to sell). Now xbox has the brand image, and so all of sonys developers and all of the nintendo ones have got contracts with MS to develop games for the 360. So now they have more support than the revolution and the same support as the ps3 (infact slightly more if you want to nit pick). Stop being a sony fanboy and listen to what we say, read up on developer support, read up on the cell and the rsx and read up on shaders then come back and tell me im wrong.Zitat:
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its the fact that these ppl look at the figures look at the proof and say you know what sony can change this they can make it better. Comeon sony dont do that, sony overpromise all the time, if anything its going to be worse. It certainly isnt 2 teraflops even when counting vertex and pixel shaders. Sony number spinning again, I mean honestly a 1.8 Tflop card in normal measurements? rofl thats just insane. They are idiots to think ppl wouldnt pick that apart and find out they cheated.Zitat:
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It is sad. I'll post some stuff later, byt right now since i'm downloading linux and my speed is dial-up slow i can't.Also i installed vista in a dual boot and it so very good. after i got my sound card to work.
People forget that after E3 when MS announced the XBox specs, people were pointing out that the numbers were theoretical and on paper...long way from launch, blah blah blah. And, oh wait, they were right. :) Development changes all the time and has since the beginning.
il stand by that with the current specs (which i dont think will change and if they do nothing dramatic) the 360 will produce better graphics. And I stand by the fact that at ps3 launch the ps3 will be a rip off, as the 360 will be cheaper and visually they will be near enough identical. But I believe the 360 edram will allow the xbox 360 to look better and run at more constant framerates. We will see anyway.
I'm back and on linux. I think that 500 dollars or pounds is a rip of, Its a video game console.
I think they relize this, they are removing lots out of the ps3. Its router has gone, and the amount of usb ports and stuff are all being changed to reduce costs. If anything the ps3 thats released will have less features than previosly annouced not more. The cell cost too much if you ask me.Zitat:
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Ya, but all the extra fetaures they're taking aren't aren't going to affect the price WE pay..It's to reduce their loss not lower the price.Zitat:
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they will still sell it at a loss, but if they can reduce the amount of loss they make they can reduce the price of the console. Lets face it games consoles are for house holds if they release it as that price they remove most of their target market.Zitat:
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I know for a fact that most of my friends are not going to spend 500 on a video game console, and niether will most parents on a christmas persent. While even though the 360 is expansive at 300 it's still in the price range for most consumers.Zitat:
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I'm be back after i reboot and go back to XP
I'm just laughing at all the nonsense talked about here.
WOW thats oldZitat:
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USB doesnt cost anything.. the PCI card is like 5 dollars for 6 ports.. i can understand about the router though.. why the heck would have a full blown router in your PS3Zitat:
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