Sony Listens? Guess So

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Zitat von Mister Chief

Free crap is still crap.

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True, but with Home coming out and Playstation Blog I don't think it'll be crap much longer. I mean, if Sony's actually taking peoples ideas to heart, which recent firmware updates and speculation give credit to, then I think, as far as usability goes, it will eventually turn out to be similar to Xbox Live. However, I do want to stress my concern about Sony's devotion to the steady adding of content. While Xbox live has it's fair share of crappy arcade games (Wing Commander, Super Contra) it still has far more games than PSN. Part of this is due to the two being a year apart, but they still stumble out with a PS1 game or two every once and a while.

That's not good enough. I still want to see Sony getting serious about weekly content updates. Here's and idea, release two or three PS1 games every week, and that's not a tall order considering they're just ROMs. If they combine that with a major downloadable software title every couple of weeks, combined with Home and awesome firmware updates, then I guarantee that PSN will no longer be ragged on.

Do you know how long Microsoft has had Live Arcade? Seriously. It seems as if the 360's launch is when everybody considers Xbox Live Arcade starting.
Well guess what. ITS NOT.
XBLA has been around since 2004. So they have had about 3 years more than Sony.
Sony is doing good considering the PS3 is their first attempt at online with a console.
However, I still think that X-Fire integration would have been ahelluva lot better than starting their own service.
Yes, I know a game on the PS3 uses xfire. However the name of it escapes me at the moment.

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Zitat von The_Master_Chief

Do you know how long Microsoft has had Live Arcade? Seriously. It seems as if the 360's launch is when everybody considers Xbox Live Arcade starting.
Well guess what. ITS NOT.
XBLA has been around since 2004. So they have had about 3 years more than Sony.
Sony is doing good considering the PS3 is their first attempt at online with a console.
However, I still think that X-Fire integration would have been ahelluva lot better than starting their own service.
Yes, I know a game on the PS3 uses xfire. However the name of it escapes me at the moment.

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Funny I recall playing online on my PS2 many times.

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Zitat von The_Master_Chief

Do you know how long Microsoft has had Live Arcade? Seriously. It seems as if the 360's launch is when everybody considers Xbox Live Arcade starting.
Well guess what. ITS NOT.
XBLA has been around since 2004. So they have had about 3 years more than Sony.
Sony is doing good considering the PS3 is their first attempt at online with a console.
However, I still think that X-Fire integration would have been ahelluva lot better than starting their own service.
Yes, I know a game on the PS3 uses xfire. However the name of it escapes me at the moment.

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Sinful's right it's not their first attempt at online, but it is their first attempt at an online community with media downloads and messaging.

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Funny I recall playing online on my PS2 many times.

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Stop nitpicking. You know what he meant, dont make a useless post just to get attention.

Like it or not, Sony are doing good. I cant wait to see how PStore will look when Singstar and others have come out. Should be loads of cool stuff.

The PSP already had it, what took so long for the PS3 to have it? It should have had it on launch...

Sony fanboys are so easily pleased, I swear... The updates have been pretty good, but this post is simply retarded. Sony doesn't care what you think, or what you want.

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Zitat von Vee

Stop nitpicking. You know what he meant, dont make a useless post just to get attention.

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He said a statement that was waste since both the PS2 and PSP have online. If he meant something else he should have said it. Word of advise always say what you mean and mean what you say.

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Like it or not, Sony are doing good. I cant wait to see how PStore will look when Singstar and others have come out. Should be loads of cool stuff.

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I actually agree with you here SingStar looks pretty cool.
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The PSP already had it, what took so long for the PS3 to have it? It should have had it on launch...

Sony fanboys are so easily pleased, I swear... The updates have been pretty good, but this post is simply retarded. Sony doesn't care what you think, or what you want.

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I agree.

so what? what does it change if we are easily pleased... and M$ fanboys arent?

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Zitat von bmfgeorgin2

so what? what does it change if we are easily pleased... and M$ fanboys arent?

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I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy (Although, at this point, the 360 is by far my favorite console... And I do own all three), but I'm not easily satisfied... I actually call out Microsoft when they do something utterly retarded (which they do, A LOT).

But trying to create the illusion of something, just to make yourself feel better? Well... that's pretty damn pathetic.

If people with PS3's actually demanded some sh*t, rather than kissing Sony's collective arse every time they do something as simple as putting custom backgrounds on their console, we might actually get somewhere.

It's basic... PS3 owners are settling for mediocrity.

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I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy (Although, at this point, the 360 is by far my favorite console... And I do own all three), but I'm not easily satisfied... I actually call out Microsoft when they do something utterly retarded (which they do, A LOT).

But trying to create the illusion of something, just to make yourself feel better? Well... that's pretty damn pathetic.

If people with PS3's actually demanded some sh*t, rather than kissing Sony's collective arse every time they do something as simple as putting custom backgrounds on their console, we might actually get somewhere.

It's basic... PS3 owners are settling for mediocrity.

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Yup they are. The PS3 could be so much better then what it is now.

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If people with PS3's actually demanded some sh*t, rather than kissing Sony's collective arse every time they do something as simple as putting custom backgrounds on their console, we might actually get somewhere.

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Lieek the in-game XMB coming in the 2.0 update?

That was a fake changelog.

Though those images released do point to to it coming out soon.

I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the PS3. Sinful messaged me today while I was playing Resistance in campaign mode. From there, can I check that message and read it without going to the XMB? Also, how do two friends join the same game, I don't see invites or I may just be blind?

Once you're done with the game you're in you have to go to community, then friends in the Resistance main menu.

And it's only in custom, but you press select, buddy list, triangle, then invite.

lol - this is a time to remember - its the first time i heard abe ask a question

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Zitat von Abe_Froeman

I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the PS3. Sinful messaged me today while I was playing Resistance in campaign mode. From there, can I check that message and read it without going to the XMB? Also, how do two friends join the same game, I don't see invites or I may just be blind?

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1. At this point, no. In the very next update, you will be able to though.

2. Join the same game as in...online game or as in co-op? Because no PS3 titles (that I know of) support online co-op, yet every gam that I've played online has some type of friend-invite system. In Resistance you just create a party and click X on someone's name. Choose Invite to Party and they will be sent an invite. Or, additionally, after creating a party, you can press Triangle and type in the name of anyone you want to join that isn't on your buddy list. Hope that helps.

EDIT: WTF? I posted this 10 minutes ago...and yet it just shows up now O_o

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Zitat von PSPHax0r9

1. At this point, no. In the very next update, you will be able to though.

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That's not acutally happening... It was faked...

Thanks for the info guys.

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Zitat von DFS

That's not acutally happening... It was faked...

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Wow...WTF...I saw it myself on blog.us.playstation.com

Yet, as I go into the archives and look at the post it says "[UPDATE]
The link on the SCEA website is now live, you can get the full info on firmware 1.90 here. Also, I noticed a lot of your comments were directly related to accessing XMB features in-game. We understand this is something you want and we are working on it. For the sake of keeping all the comments below on topic, please understand that we hear this request and are working toward a solution. When I have some more info to share on this, know that I will do so here on this blog." I wonder if he jumped the gun and changed it right away, because I saw him say that it would be in the next update in that post.
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I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the PS3. Sinful messaged me today while I was playing Resistance in campaign mode. From there, can I check that message and read it without going to the XMB? Also, how do two friends join the same game, I don't see invites or I may just be blind?

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1. At this point, no. In the very next update, you will be able to though.

2. Join the same game as in...online game or as in co-op? Because no PS3 titles (that I know of) support online co-op, yet every gam that I've played online has some type of friend-invite system. In Resistance you just create a party and click X on someone's name. Choose Invite to Party and they will be sent an invite. Or, additionally, after creating a party, you can press Triangle and type in the name of anyone you want to join that isn't on your buddy list. Hope that helps.

Sony has been *****ed at quite a bit actually. People *****ed about upscaling PS1/2 games, wallpaper support and a few other minor things. The offical forums has a thread demanding 1080p support for all PS3 games and upscale 720p games to 1080i. May not be addressed but it's not like they arent hearing about it. Sony does care about their consumers and what we want, they wouldn't be a very successful company without taking our wants/needs into consideration. They will still do whats best for them but they keep watch of certain forums I bet. The only reason they held back custom background support is to make the update seem better than it actually is.

In game was confirmed to be in the next "BIG" update on the blog. Doesn't mean it will be in the next one though.

Sony does do some nice stuff. But. In my eyes they are still a corrupted company to me.

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Stop nitpicking. You know what he meant, dont make a useless post just to get attention.

Like it or not, Sony are doing good. I cant wait to see how PStore will look when Singstar and others have come out. Should be loads of cool stuff.

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What the.. The PS2 had online, and PSP. This is Sonys 3rd attempt at online. What's your point?

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What the.. The PS2 had online, and PSP. This is Sonys 3rd attempt at online. What's your point?

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Dont bother its Vee he doesnt have any points.

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Dont bother its Vee he doesnt have any points.

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He's the leader of the SDF...

Sony Defense Force.

What points? Happy points?

But ya, I never realized how bad PS2 online was until I got a 360, hell until I got an XBox. I had fun playing THUG online and using a keyboard (lol) to chat.

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He's the leader of the SDF...

Sony Defense Force.

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lol

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_m...o2_qjgenth.jpg

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lol

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_m...o2_qjgenth.jpg

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lmfao. Wtf a crab?

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Zitat von Sinfulfate

Dont bother its Vee he doesnt have any points.

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What the **** was that supposed to imply?

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Zitat von DFS

He's the leader of the SDF...

Sony Defense Force.

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REPORTING FOR DUTY. SIR.
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Zitat von atomicV1sion

lmfao. Wtf a crab?

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Crabs are very defensive. Didnt you know?:p

But can be attacked at weakpoints for massive damage ;)

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But trying to create the illusion of something, just to make yourself feel better? Well... that's pretty damn pathetic.

If people with PS3's actually demanded some sh*t, rather than kissing Sony's collective arse every time they do something as simple as putting custom backgrounds on their console, we might actually get somewhere.

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Well, seeing as to how they'd settle down with even an airplane game... with dragons as the airplanes and the settings in medieval time (Lair), and I wasted two days explaining that to them but they still don't get it, I really don't have anything else better to say than that. :/ Seriously, people, it's not like we're telling you to diss your consoles, we're telling you to actually come up in ARMS, with torches and pitchforks, and demand Sony to give us what we should have had like eons ago. I admit that the future looks cool... but we don't get heck at the present... and a number of us got our consoles HALF a year ago. They're also making some of us (if not most) wait until the end of next year... for those "big bad updates" and those "kick-ass games". :/ If they couldn't deliver those by launch, they should not have launched anything at all.

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Well, seeing as to how they'd settle down with even an airplane game... with dragons as the airplanes and the settings in medieval time (Lair), and I wasted two days explaining that to them but they still don't get it, I really don't have anything else better to say than that. :/ Seriously, people, it's not like we're telling you to diss your consoles, we're telling you to actually come up in ARMS, with torches and pitchforks, and demand Sony to give us what we should have had like eons ago. I admit that the future looks cool... but we don't get heck at the present... and a number of us got our consoles HALF a year ago. They're also making some of us (if not most) wait until the end of next year... for those "big bad updates" and those "kick-ass games". :/ If they couldn't deliver those by launch, they should not have launched anything at all.

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Has anyone seen the movie Eragon? I think it might be about Planes!... -.-"

If you want to see not delivering try STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl, great game it is but the bugs and the lateness of patches dosen't make it looks good.

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Well, seeing as to how they'd settle down with even an airplane game... with dragons as the airplanes and the settings in medieval time (Lair), and I wasted two days explaining that to them but they still don't get it, I really don't have anything else better to say than that. :/ Seriously, people, it's not like we're telling you to diss your consoles, we're telling you to actually come up in ARMS, with torches and pitchforks, and demand Sony to give us what we should have had like eons ago. I admit that the future looks cool... but we don't get heck at the present... and a number of us got our consoles HALF a year ago. They're also making some of us (if not most) wait until the end of next year... for those "big bad updates" and those "kick-ass games". :/ If they couldn't deliver those by launch, they should not have launched anything at all.

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I agree with most of this, it's a shame that things like the playstation blog had to be established and that Sony had to get some of their PSP ideas from homebrew, but as far as games go come on:

360 launch title worth buying: COD2
PS3 launch title worth buying: RFOM

PS3 titles coming out one year after launch: Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Uncharted, Lair, Ratchet and Clank: ToD, Haze.

360 titles that came out one year after launch: Gears of War, F.E.A.R., Rainbow 6 Vegas, NFS: Carbon, DOA2, Sonic the Hedgehog, Oblivion (as requested by Sinfulfate).

I think most people expected the PS3 to match it's launch titles with the 360's brand new holiday stuff. I figured it would happen, but I also don't think it's fair. When I just see the PS3 as the same thing the 360 was in '06. I played COD2 for 6 months without another game on my 360 and I was fine. I just didn't see anything else worth buying. I've had the exact same thing happen to me with the PS3. And you know what? I knew it would happen too, but I bought the PS3 because it was shaping up like the 360 in terms of available games it had during it's holiday season. And I know someones gonna shoot my list back at me saying something like 'Ugg Lair's just a stupid dragon game' or 'Heavenly Sword is just an arena fighter'. You know what I say to that? Legend of Zelda: Ocorina of Time's just a stupid RPG where you fight comical enemies and play an Ocorina, FFVII's just a long boring RPG where super deformed characters have feelings, Guitar Hero's a stupid music game where all you do is play notes. Point is you can make any game seem stupid.

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I agree with most of this, it's a shame that things like the playstation blog had to be established and that Sony had to get some of their PSP ideas from homebrew, but as far as games go come on:

360 launch title worth buying: COD2
PS3 launch title worth buying: RFOM

PS3 titles coming out one year after launch: Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Uncharted, Lair, Ratchet and Clank: ToD, Haze.

360 titles that came out one year after launch: Gears of War, F.E.A.R., Rainbow 6 Vegas, NFS: Carbon, DOA2, Sonic the Hedgehog.

I think most people expected the PS3 to match it's launch titles with the 360's brand new holiday stuff. I figured it would happen, but I also don't think it's fair. When I just see the PS3 as the same thing the 360 was in '06. I played COD2 for 6 months without another game on my 360 and I was fine. I just didn't see anything else worth buying. I've had the exact same thing happen to me with the PS3. And you know what? I knew it would happen too, but I bought the PS3 because it was shaping up like the 360 in terms of available games it had during it's holiday season. And I know someones gonna shoot my list back at me saying something like 'Ugg Lair's just a stupid dragon game' or 'Heavenly Sword is just an arena fighter'. You know what I say to that? Legend of Zelda: Ocorina of Time's just a stupid RPG where you fight comical enemies and play an Ocorina, FFVII's just a long boring RPG where super deformed characters have feelings, Guitar Hero's a stupid music game where all you do is play notes. Point is you can make any game seem stupid.

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Man you might want to check out the 360 games that came out a year after its launch you forgot one of the best ones(Oblivion) and why is Sonic on that list Sonic Next gen was terrible. The PS3 needs some fun PSN games. Uno+XBL arcade+live vision cam = like one of the greatest experiences I ever had on a video game console. Give me 8 player online support Monopoly for the PSN store and I'm happy.

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Man you might want to check out the 360 games that came out a year after its launch you forgot one of the best ones(Oblivion). The PS3 needs some fun PSN games. Uno+XBL arcade+live vision cam = like one of the greatest experiences I ever had on a video game console. Give me 8 player online support Monopoly for the PSN store and I'm happy.

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He may not have added that because it was out for the PS3 in it's first year as well. Or he forgot about it.

SSHD is gravy, PSN is very immature right now. Once games like echocrhome and pain come out, PSN will be flowering.

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Man you might want to check out the 360 games that came out a year after its launch you forgot one of the best ones(Oblivion) and why is Sonic on that list Sonic Next gen was terrible. The PS3 needs some fun PSN games. Uno+XBL arcade+live vision cam = like one of the greatest experiences I ever had on a video game console. Give me 8 player online support Monopoly for the PSN store and I'm happy.

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Man, I totally agree with you. As far as PSN goes I really think they need to kick it up a notch in terms of releases. I thought about adding Oblivion. I don't know why I didn't. I also didn't add Oblivion on PS3 because I'm talking about holiday releases, Oblivion was released on PS3 earlier.

I agree people shouldn't bash sony for the amount of games it has out....really Atmoic is right...and oblvion also came out on both systems around the same time in their lifespan.

The thing is, people with PS3 had to wait a year to get the same types of games that 360 had a year previously. I think people expected with the extra year of time to work on games, the supposed "double power" that ps3 would offer something different a year later, it didn't....


As far as firmware updates go, anyone with a PSP knows you have to wait for things....PSP was pretty weak when it launched as far as features go. The thing is, people have been "demanding" things like the ability to listen to music while viewing pictures...something you'd think would be pretty simple, and something Sony said they were looking into since 2.0....but where is it ?

Sony promises and promises and promises and rarely actually delivers fully on them. They havn't even promised anything as far as in game XMB goes, just a weak "we hear the complaints and are looking into it". It's been almost a year and in game XMB(at least music) was probably the first and biggest complaint anyones had. Hopefully it does come in 2.0, but anyone who knows anything about object based programming knows that it's not so simple to add a feature like this unless it's been organised into every part of the program. Being able to play music in game may be a first step, but to get the cross-game invites, checking/sending msg's wherever you are whenever you are....pressing a button when you see a msg/friend come online then getting a host of options from there as to what you want to do, even if a game is loading in the BG....it's something you have to fundamentally program into the OS/Firmware and it's obvious Sony didn't do that......So, in order to do so it may take a huge overhaul of the firmware, maybe from the ground up, so I probably wouldn't expect it soon....

Their quickfix will probably be to add that option we've seen in screenshots, where you can choose music and it will have to be located on the PS3 HDD...and it will be better then nothing, but still far from what people actually want....

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Zitat von Eric Lempel

Also, I noticed a lot of your comments were directly related to accessing XMB features in-game. We understand this is something you want and we are working on it. For the sake of keeping all the comments below on topic, please understand that we hear this request and are working toward a solution. When I have some more info to share on this, know that I will do so here on this blog.

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Sounds like they are working on it too me...


Im guessing we'll get 1.91 or 1.95 when home is released, then we'll get in game XMB in 2.00 update. Sometime early next year.

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The thing is, people with PS3 had to wait a year to get the same types of games that 360 had a year previously. I think people expected with the extra year of time to work on games, the supposed "double power" that ps3 would offer something different a year later, it didn't....

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Again I completely agree with the firmware stuff ('cept for in-game that's pretty confirmed like User Friendly said). You've gotta remember though porting a game is much harder than you think. Instead of adding more intense visuals on the PS3 they were just trying to get the game to run on it. I think people largely overestimated the immediate graphical potential of the PS3 . We can clearly see both consoles are able to produce equally fantastic visuals (Gears of War, Killzone 2), but Sony hardware, particularity PS2 and PS3, is more complex. It's at least vastly different than the 360. Therefore, it becomes harder to port 360 games, especially launch titles that were developed with only the 360 in mind, to the PS3. I think we're starting, and going to see more, fantastic looking games (If that White Knight Story trailer isn't CG than my God that's further backing up my point). Also compare Summoner (PS2 launch title) to GOW2 (critically acclaimed PS2 swan song) you'll see how Sony games evolve graphically. However, the notion that PS3 games were immediately going to look better than their 360 counterparts was a bit preemptive.

User friendly did you just say Pain will be a good game? Seriously. I'm not a Sony fanboy by any means but give them a chance.
ffs. my name is the master chief. I should be accused of being an xbox fanboy. x_x

I would hope it to be alot earlier then that, before the end of the year hopefully.