They're probably looking at 1080p on an SDTV.. in which case there literally is no difference lol
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They're probably looking at 1080p on an SDTV.. in which case there literally is no difference lol
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Sounds like a wager to me...
I think you mean the other way around looking at a 480p(SDTV) image in 1080p like how PS1 and PS2 games look on the PS3 if you have a 1080p tv/monitor.Zitat:
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If you look at 480 on 1080, it will interpolate
Guys, 480p = HD. 480i = SD
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I work in graphics printing.. to me, resolution is measured per inch lol
And by my standards, HDTV can only be 3 inches wide :)
What I meant was that movies played back in 480p and 1080p didn't seem to have any difference at all... on the same monitor. PS1 and PS2 games look "occasionally" nice (for titles that don't support 480p occasionally, that is)... but the movie playback is still the same.
Oh, and 480p is not HD. It's ED (Enhanced Definition). I think the same thing applies for 1080i?
And in printing, how many dots per inch do you usually produce your works in? I make one manga page with 1200dpi. :p HDTV is not even an inch to me.
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PPI you see on screen. DPI you see on a substraight.
Dots per inch is an output resolution. The dots pertain to the half tone dots all printed images consist of. Generally speaking, most offset presses print high quality at 2400 dpi. Very high quality presses, included staccato screen print at 4800 dpi. (Dots per SQUARE inch). Some very slow digital printers print even higher resolution than that.
Image resolution on screen is print quality at 300 ppi (Pixels per LINEAR inch or 300x300 pixels per square inch). That's overkill, but its much smaller than the human eye can resolve and so its a good standard.
To put it in context, a print ready 3" x 5" picture is 900 pixels by 1500 pixels. By that standard, 1080 pixels wide isnt quite 3.5 inches. That being said, the human eye resolves differently when looking at a screen than a page. Mostly because a screen is bombarding your eye with light whereas a page is absorbing it. 72 ppi is generally considered good resolution on screen. So 1080 should be 15 inches wide.
I know it is an output resolution. What I mean is that normally, HD would not be at an inch compared to my usual works. But that's not the point here. The point here is that there is almost no difference between a DVD played back at 480p on a 40-inch display... and 1080p on that same display. And I did use the upscale option on my PS3 for those DVDs.
Here's an article:
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9722853-1.html
DVD playback was so bad on the PS3 before that now it's considered a BIG improvement over the old firmware. :rolleyes: It's better than the 360 Elite... but it's not anywhere comparable to those dedicated movie players. If you are a big fan of HD movies... you're better off getting one of those. On the other hand... if you'd always wanted a cheap Blu-Ray player that also plays games, this one is for you. :p
The 360's DVD playback is terrible.
Doesn't take much to be better than it.
The PS3's DVD playback was initially even worse. It took only a little bit of "upscaling" to make it a BIG improvement.Zitat:
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Whats so bad about it? That it doesnt upscale DVD's well?
It plays DVDs/Blu-Rays well.
Anything else is a extra.
It lags with some DVDs... and some has a lot of artifacts for me. That problem is indeed fixed after 1.80, of course. Before, progressive scan looks like a total disaster.Zitat:
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PS3's DVD upscaling capabilities are very good, better than my Samsung player. It didn't happen until the update though, I never noticed any artifacts or frame skipping.
What movie's have you tested this? I have a host of blu ray movies and some look better than others. I cant really tell the difference between Hitch on blu ray and standard dvd but something like Pirates, The Prestige and 300 look really good on blu ray.Zitat:
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Anyway I agree with Yahtzee(his console rundown) in that the difference between blu ray and dvd isnt that big and most people wont notice it or care and sony's claims that blu ray will be the next big thing doesn't make any sense.
No it isn't.Zitat:
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X-men: The Last StandZitat:
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The Pursuit for Happyness
Mission Impossible 3
Stealth
And ehh... yeah. All of those on DVDs and Blu-Rays. Before 1.8, the DVDs would have quite a few noticeable artifacts whenever there's high motion. And 480p didn't seem to have any effect on that. After 1.8, I don't get that anymore... although 480p vs 1080p for the DVDs look the same. The Blu-Ray versions of all of which are OBVIOUSLY clearer than their DVD versions in all firmware versions, though.[/QUOTE]
Be prepared for this rumour to come true.
It's pretty much a for sure thing now. The recent price drop didn't help much at all but in all fairness there wasn't really any games good enough to push the hardware sales.
I'm thinking they might not bother with the 40GB system and just drop the 80GB way down to $399, which is still too high to compete right now. It's hard to say what games like Uncharted and R&C may do for the system so this drop may not come until after both those titles release. If they don't push consoles sales, I'm going to say that Sony will indeed drop the current PS3 price by another large margin.
It needs to be done and that recent selling of the insurance IPO, was probably to give them the cash they need to take another price drop.
My advice to you would be to not buy a PS3 unless you don't care if they drop the price in a month or two.
I think the speculation that the july price drop was aimed at clearing shelves of the 60GB SKU was right on the money. Anyway, it sucked me in and I couldnt be happier.
Sounds good man thanks for the advice.Zitat:
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Sony just needs to nab some exclusives. IMO price isn't the biggest issue who cares if its cheaper if you have nothing to play? Sony only has 71 exclusives(retail+DLC) and thats less than the Wii :(
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...3/graph807.jpg
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7448
I was thinking the same thing.Zitat:
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Wii says high.Zitat:
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I partially agree with you though, but the way the Wii is selling without many good titles is proof that all you need is hype and a really good price point. Sure some exclusives would help but so would some games that appeal to the mass market.
Warhawk is great but the public sees it as online only, even though it sold fairly well, the low hardware numbers aren't going to help the software numbers.
We'll see how Heavenly Sword does in the sales department but I doubt it's going to make that big of an impact.
Point is, they need to drop the price of the ps3 again just so software sales will pick up.
no more emotion chip means im getting an old 60 gig.
The wii has a better lineup than the PS3 imo. And SSBB alone will makes the Wii worth every penny. Wish the PS3 had a game like that...Zitat:
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I doubt hype sells wiis it actually is a fairly decent console but to someone with a 360 or PS3 as well it doesn't really compare. There are many people with only a Wii who really enjoy it.Zitat:
I partially agree with you though, but the way the Wii is selling without many good titles is proof that all you need is hype and a really good price point. Sure some exclusives would help but so would some games that appeal to the mass market.
I still think its games over price. The 360 is proof of that. The 360 has a what 33% failure rate yet still sells well. Why? Becasue the games are so good people are willing to take the risk. I think people will overlook the high price point(like many 360 owners do about its hardware flaws) if it has a good selection of games. And 2-5 games won't cut it.Zitat:
Warhawk is great but the public sees it as online only, even though it sold fairly well, the low hardware numbers aren't going to help the software numbers.
We'll see how Heavenly Sword does in the sales department but I doubt it's going to make that big of an impact.
Point is, they need to drop the price of the ps3 again just so software sales will pick up.
Developers tend to shy away due to the price of the PS3, they know that not alot of people will buy the system for such a high price, to the point where they MIGHT not make a profit, which is why we dont see alot of exclusives and alot of games coming out for PS3.Zitat:
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If the 40gb holds EE chip i'll get that, if not, i'll get a 60 gb one way or another xD
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I think its due to production costs lowering and the fact they took out the EE chip which was a measly 27 or so dollars.Zitat:
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SSBB isn't out yet, hardware sales are high because it's new and it's cheap. There aren't many games worth owning it for, showing that price is a ery key factor.Zitat:
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So, do we know that the sales figures for 360 don't include the ones shipped back, just curious. 360's price point was the sweet spot for the hardware, it has the games as well. It has a year lead on both consoles and it's sales shouldn't really be compared to the other two until a couple more years as things start leveling off.Zitat:
I still think its games over price. The 360 is proof of that. The 360 has a what 33% failure rate yet still sells well. Why? Becasue the games are so good people are willing to take the risk. I think people will overlook the high price point(like many 360 owners do about its hardware flaws) if it has a good selection of games. And 2-5 games won't cut it.
PS3 needs games but most of all it needs to be affordable to regular gamers who don't want to spend this much on a console when there are 2 others out there offering a fairly good experience. Once games like MGS4 and Killzone 2 hit, things may change for the good for Sony but if they dropped the price again, the sales would really skyrocket.
I expect another drop at least by December.
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Sony has another SKU under testing at FCC, document can be read here:
Whatever SKU this is going to be has a WLAN card so it won't be gimped if that's what you think is going to happen. May remove the card reader though. Whatever it is, it's a new SKU.
Sweet, I'm glad i held off from buying one.
This is far from confirmation guys and is just my thoughts. Too me, it's pretty obvious that they will lower the price though.
I hope the 80gig goes to 499
False there are quite few games worth owning a wii for. Pokémon Battle Revolution, Mario Strikers Charged, RE 4, Mario Party 8, Wario Ware Smooth moves, Zelda TWP to name a few. Definitely a good selection of games to hold any wii owner till SSBB, Mario Galaxy, and Mario Kart.Zitat:
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$500 or even $400 isn't affordable to most gamers imo. Like I said before 2-5 games isn't gonna change anything. Especially when MGS 4 isn't exactly for people who haven't played the first 3 games.Zitat:
So, do we know that the sales figures for 360 don't include the ones shipped back, just curious. 360's price point was the sweet spot for the hardware, it has the games as well. It has a year lead on both consoles and it's sales shouldn't really be compared to the other two until a couple more years as things start leveling off.
PS3 needs games but most of all it needs to be affordable to regular gamers who don't want to spend this much on a console when there are 2 others out there offering a fairly good experience. Once games like MGS4 and Killzone 2 hit, things may change for the good for Sony but if they dropped the price again, the sales would really skyrocket.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was one. Sony should have just made the PS3 $350 and $450 at launch. Ya they would be losing more money(lol there still doing that now) but at least they wouldn't make themselves look foolish after saying crap like "The PS3 should be more than $600" then months later keep dropping the price because no one's buying one.Zitat:
I expect another drop at least by December.
the 360 has better games.
but the ps3 turns on long enough to actually play them.
seriously though, most of the people whining are american kids in highschool, whos parents denied them a ps3 due to the price.
You should be glad you guys aren't in the uk since we're paying in excess of $650 for the SAME hardware.
that said, it should be the europeans *****ing about the price, not you yanks, you guys just need to do what other guys on this forum do, such as userfriendly, you've all seen his setup, you all know it kicks ass, you can bet your ass the price of the ps3 was tiny compared to the rest of his kit, and how did it buy it?, did mommy pitch in?, did daddy treat him for getting good grades?
No, it's called ****ing employment.
It might, especially if they are quality games.Zitat:
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Like they say, quality over quantity, would you rather have
5 20" sdtv's or 1 50" Hdtv?
You must have a really really crappy job then. That's less than a week's pay for myself. And I work for a grocery store.Zitat:
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I literally play 2 games for the 360: BioShock and Gears Of War. There are some others I might dabble with from time to time (Dead Rising, Fight Night Round 3), but 99% of the time, I'll just play these two. And it's worth it. So I beg to differ.
As for MGS4, I couldn't stand the first three, yet this new installment really seems interesting to me.
i spent more than $500 on a single graphics card, of which i bought two.
it's laughable really, how big a deal $500 is to some people.
5 20" tvs would be useless you can only use one at a time so that doesn't make much sense. And 2-5 games wont make the PS3 game lineup great. It doesn't matter if MGS 4 and Killzone 2 are the best games ever the PS3 game line up will still suck overall.Zitat:
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I have a good job actually or else I wouldn't be able to afford all the crap I have. And since most gamers are between 18-35(something like this) college and bills aren't cheap. And most younger gamers don't have jobs so $400 and $500 is alot of money to spend on something.Zitat:
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And by 2-5 games isn't gonna change anything I didn't mean they can't make it worth it for somebody(lol some people think Resistance alone made there PS3 worth it). I meant that having 2-5 good games wont change the fact that overall the game lineup is crap just like it is with the PSP.Zitat:
I literally play 2 games for the 360: BioShock and Gears Of War. There are some others I might dabble with from time to time (Dead Rising, Fight Night Round 3), but 99% of the time, I'll just play these two. And it's worth it. So I beg to differ.
I dont think its very nice or respectful to belittle anyone who cant afford 500 dollars. That being said.. anyone who pays 300 then says 500 is too much is just being stupid.
Hmmm.. I cant pay my rent... so PS3 is out of the question. I guess I'll just get an xbox or wii.
Sony has never marketed to the mass market. They've always made and sold superior electronics at superior prices. You get what you pay for. And though it doesnt seem like it now.. in 2 years people will still be loving their PS3s.. xboxers wont even be playing their 360s.. though they may be playing Xbox 720s
Play the games instead of following what Wii fanboys say about them. I've bolded all the ones most people would think are absolutely horrible, and underlined the ones that have no replay value.Zitat:
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That leaves three. Woooooooooooow. Wario Ware is a bunch of mini games which doesn't keep me entertained without other people there, but it is massive fun with people.
Strikers right now is the best Wii game IMO.
RE 4 loses points for it being a remake that overheats the Wii's GPU just for it to use the Wiimote.
I wouldn't say Pokemon battle Revolution is horrible but for $50 it is a bit much for what you get but the online support and ability to use your Pokémon from the ds wireless are cool. I haven't played Mario party 8 but if its anything like the previous Mario party games then I doubt its horrible. No Zelda games have replay value yet all of them are amazing(easily better than every PS3 game out now) so not sure what point your trying to make about that. What exactly makes these games horrible?Zitat:
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That's 3 more games than the PS3 has...Zitat:
That leaves three. Woooooooooooow. Wario Ware is a bunch of mini games which doesn't keep me entertained without other people there, but it is massive fun with people.