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:ROFL: oh the laserdisc. Reminds me of my uncle. He's been suckered into every failed format imaginable. Betamax, laserdisc, minidisc, and UMD movies. I can see him buying into blu-ray as well.Zitat:
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And you could be right, the quality could become important....keyword...be come. In a world where people are still avoiding HDTVs, I think it'll be a good while before people buy into an HD disc format.It just really isn't the time for a new format.
My uncles 60" HDTV looks absolutly stunning when watching DVD's.Zitat:
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Blu-Ray/HD-DVD's can't possibly look so much better, to constitute buying a brand new player.
I've seen sample HD footage on a Sony Bravia 720p 46" HDTV and it does look amazing. I've also seen a DVD being played through the same model and to be honest, it doesn't look bad but seeing is believing and all that ********. :)Zitat:
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Anyway, I'm after full 1080p HDTV and the model I'm currently waiting to buy is This but in the 40" version. Don't think my living room can take the 46"...
Man, that tvs a killer. It'd be nice to have one, but at the same time I can't see myself upgrading to HD until it gets cheaper.Zitat:
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get oLED, its gunna rock when its complete. Cheap 32+ HDTV's (less then 400 supposedely) :D
Personally I think both will fail but if one does prevail I think it will be HD-DVD. It offers superior quality at half the price of Bluray.
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I just don't get the logic behind the price of blu-ray products either. It's amazing that they feel the need to charge so much for a product that isn't a very big jump at all. That'd be like the playstation 2 debuting at $300 and then the next one costs double the price!....oh wait.
To suggest the gap betwen VHS and DVD is the same as Bluray and DVD is utterly ridiculous. DVD had a massive multitude of benefits over DVD that benefited everyone, improved picture quality was only one factor. Here's a small rundown of some of the benefits that everybody got with DVD:Zitat:
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- Improved picture quality that benefited everybody - hook the player upto any TV and it'll look better, no need for specialist equipment
- No rewinding
- Interactive menus
- Smaller form factor - no more need to dedicate a whole room to huge VHS tapes
- Special features
- Surrround sound - Some HD-DVDs offer slightly improved sound that can be used on the very most high end equipment but even then there's nothing remotely close like the difference between stereo and 5.1
- Scene selection - no more spending 15 minutes trying to find your favourite part of a movie
All that Bluray / HD-DVD offer is improved picture IF you have very expensive specialist equipment. That's one very small benefit considering the extra cost of the discs and players especially considering all the DRM bullcrap your going to have to put up with. Your average consumer doesn't care about audio/visual quality very much, if he did he wouldn't be listening to low bitrate MP3s instead of DVD-As (or even CDs or high bitrate MP3s) and he wouldn't be buying a bundle of dodgy DVDs for £3 a pop (something that won't be possible with HD-DVD).
I would buy the PS3 if it used standard DVD-9s. Beta-Ray is buggy, slow, and lame.
Buggy and slow? :confused:
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I wasn't suggesting that the leap from DVD to HD-DVD/Blu-ray is the same as VHS was to DVD. I was just pointing out that every format has a life-span and nothing will last forever.
HD technology; televisions, HD-DVD/Blu-ray players wont always be expensive. Remember the cost of the original DVD players?
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Half the price, I take it you mean the actual stand alone players and not the ps3 because that would make it around the same price as hd dvd. Blu ray discs are cheaper as well, so Im not sure if youve read into this that much. I know the ps3 wont be as good as a bluray player but it will definately help sony's format to dominate this mini war for hd supremecy. Once they get a foothold on this market I think it will bring costs down big time. Sony has way more support from studios so it's only common sense to think if there was a winner it would be blu ray. I know its up to the consumer to pick the new format but why do you think blu ray is in the ps3?
I'd like to know where you're buying this PS3 at, because I wouldn't mind one myself. The PS3 is not set for release for several months, and it will be several months after that until you can buy one on a store without camping for 12 hours and spending $400 on accessories. So when we talk about cost, the PS3 should not be included at this point, if you start including the PS3 in your calculations then am I free to include HD-DVD players that will be released in a year or two or the 360's addon? No, because that would be stupid, so that's why we don't include a product that will not be available for purchase on its own, for AT LEAST 6 monthsZitat:
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As it stands HD-DVD players are half the price of Bluray players and offer superior quality and the discs cost the same price (atleast according to amazon.com). That's the state of affairs, no one knows what's going to happen in the future so lets not use guess work. As it stands HD-DVD's offering is superior in price and quality so I don't think its wrong to assume that it has every chance of beating Bluray.
I never suggested that DVD wouldn't be replaced, just that HD-DVD/Bluray is not the format to replace it. Just like the Laserdic and VCD couldn't replace VHS. Once a product that offers mainstream consumers massive advantages over DVD arrives, DVD will be replaced. I don't think that a product competing in a format war, that offers mimimal benefits to only a niche market, is that.Zitat:
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In your first post you said hddvd discs were cheaper, but now you're saying they are the same price, which is it? How does hd dvd offer superior quality over blu ray. Price, yeah the actual unit is way cheaper but I still dont get the whole superior quality thing unless you are talking about it being better than dvd's.
I can't vote because there is no "neither" option.
I've heard lots of opinions about both of them but the simple fact is DVD isn't ready to be replaced. My friend has a massive TV (52" I think) and he has all the HD bull to go with it. I have to say there is a quality downgrade watching DVD's on his TV compared to my 35", but unless you got 20/10's like me you're not gonna notice the difference anyhow. My friend did a side by side with his old TV and he thought they looked the same.
So, yeah, DVD will be here for quite awhile. iball is right too, everything will be harddrive based in the future anyways.
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arent the Discs themselves retailing for the same price?
I say HD-DVD will win.
I never specifically mentioned discs in that post, reread. As it stands HD-DVD is cheaper. HD-DVD does offer superior quality, every single review of the formats current quality has been one sided in favour of HD-DVD, do some research and you'd realise the situation, a situation in which a cheaper format offers better quality.Zitat:
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http://www.dvdtown.com/article/toshi...vdvs.blu/3595/
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http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_BD_P...2.html?tag=nav
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Yes, the player is "only" $500 cheaper. The equivalent price of 25 HD-DVD discs. So you can buy a player and 26 discs, or just have a player and a single disc, a disc which has less special features and inferior picture quality to all of them 26 HD-DVD discs.Zitat:
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The discs are only about 3 or 4 USD cheaper. Ad the player will go down in time. Anyway I wouldn't pay for a 500 dollar movie player. I'd rather buy a ps3.Zitat:
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Thats what I was trying to get at but he didnt want to hear it. I know it wont be available to the general public (those how wont pre order) but it will still have a huge impact on wheter or not blu ray comes out on top.
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HD-DVD because its cheaper
When did I say it wouldn't? You questioned my assertion that HD-DVD is cheaper and better quality and I proved to you it is. I based my decision on HD-DVD's success on what is currently tangible not fantasy and that tangible reality states that for the the forseeable future HD-DVD is better quality and cheaper.Zitat:
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When the PS3 becomes available for purchase, no one knows how much HD-DVD will cost but it will be lower that it's current cost of entry (as the players will only come down in price and there's the 360 add on to think about) which therefore means it will still be cheaper than Bluray after the PS3's launch. So we're talking 6-12 months of close to guaranteed cheaper prices and better quality. Any marketing exec. will tell you that this period is by far and away the most crucial time of a product's life and HD-DVD already has it in the bag with Bluray trailing behind.
I'm not interested in either. DVD is high-quality enough for me.
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So that aticle was just stating the 2 players. What about when sony brings theirs out, or a different company releases thiers. Things will change once more companies start producing their players. That article was just about the actual players themselves not really the format. 1080p is 1080p. Right now as it stands hd dvd may be a better solution but right now not too many people wilol be buying into this new format. I think Sony has it all planned out.
Except your wrong. Currently Blu Ray is currently encoded in MPEG2 which is the same format as DVD. While HD-DVD is using h.264 " the next gen" encoding format. Once they switch over you wont be able to tell a difference. http://www.pcworld.com/article/126163-1/article.htmlZitat:
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In case you didn’t realize neither can have better quality over the other. You could put 1080p video on a dvd and it would look as good as one a Blu Ray or HD-DVD disc. Just you couldn’t hold as much content.
Plus your not including the PS3 or 360 HD-DVD player into which format will wins is a mistake. Clearly the PS3 will get a base of Blu Ray players into homes. Plus it will be equal to the price of a HD-DVD player or with the 360+HD-DVD player. So there is no price advantage of HD-DVD.
So does HD-DVD offers nothing over BD and its worse then BD with less space. So why would you buy HD-DVD now just to have to upgrade for more space in the future With BD we get more space and same price NOW.
Also I guarantee you in 5 yr we will be using a HD format disc. The push for HD even right now is amazing. Go to Circuit City or BestBuy( in the US) and at least half of the TVs are HD only the smaller less then 20 in TVs aren’t in HD.
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As of right now downloading content straight to a console (as in a full game to the hdd) wont happen until were all ruining fiber optic networks(for speed). Plus the the bandwidth cost in just doing that would be incredible and no one is going to make a legal p2p network for a full game straight to a console.Zitat:
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Blu-Ray, its got a bigger capacity and is faster apparently
I don't know what people mean by better quality. Blu-Ray is supposed to look better then HD-DVD.
To be fair they can look the same. But that just leaves you with the fact that Blu Ray can store more data then HD-DVD. So it makes no sense what so ever to want a format with less capacity.Zitat:
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Exactly, i'll pay more for better quality any day
Too bad it's usless and expensive...Zitat:
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And who the hell let you out of your cage?
are you talking about hd-dvd to dvd, or hd-dvd to bluray.... because hd-dvd has better quality and is half the price!Zitat:
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Well then HD-DVD is also uselsss(which u prob already think) but still out of the 2, Blu Ray is better.Zitat:
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I come back whenever i see ppl who are misinformed.
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No its not. Did u read my post at all or did u just ignore it so you can say that?Zitat:
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They used MPEG2 encoding so it made switching straight to BD media easier. Just like how some of the first PS2 games were still on CD and not DVDs. Soon they're going to use a new encoder and it will look the same.
The PS3 is a BD player. Thats a fact look it up. So HD-DVD isnt half the price and its pretty much equel.
So what you end up having is equel price, same quality, but one has less space then the other to store data. Making it the inferior disc type.
which format will most likely prevail?
It's too early for me to tell, but I'd say Blu-ray.
Yeah I can careless right now about HD-DVD or Blu-ray; DVDs are good enough for me as well.Zitat:
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Yeah, I know, I said it was...Zitat:
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And if you read the thread, I actually said Blu-Ray had a better chance than HD-DVD... With that said, it's still expensive and usless.
Start reading kid...
I rather have you tell me things straight up, then me having to backtrack a thread.Zitat:
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Congrats on realizing Blu Ray will win. Next step is reversing all the ms lies and showing you the light of Sony. We have to change you back to the old DFS:p
blu-ray all the way:Punk:
ok, IMO, this is how it comes down
once Blu-RAY utlizes H.294 coding, it will have the EXACT SAME QUALITY AS HD-DVD
the only fact is, that the Blu-RAY DISC will have 10GB MORE SPACE THAN THE HD-DVD
so, let's say the King Kong (approx 3 hours) was about to be converted to h.294 format for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray into 1080p (1920*1080), plus the developers wanted to include about 3 hours of extras
now, I'm not sure how much memory a 3hour movie will take up in 1080p resolution, but the HD-DVD version, because of its limited space, will have to either sell its movie with the extras on 2 discs (which will be more expensive) or will have to downscale its resolution (To like 720p) to fit everything on one disc. The blu-ray on the other hand, will be able to fit everything with 1080p resolution, thus only requiring one disc (cheaper than teh 2 disc HD-DVD solution), or have a better resolution than the one-disc HD-DVD.
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The Blu-Ray folks have pretty much taken everything from the HD-DVD spec and tossed it into their format at the last minute.
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do you honestly think that any movie company will fill those extra 20gb with stuff people want to use? it doesnt take 50gb for a 1080p movie! and you could say "ohhh you can put tons of extras on it", but people buy a movie to watch a movie, and not watch an hour blooper reel...
yes the ps3 is the same price as a hd-dvd player. but real movie watchers get a real player, all console media players have 1/3 of the features of a normal standalone player. so you would have cheap arses going out and buying a bluray player ps3, but that would be 2% of the people who actually want a movie player.... and the 96% would see that hd-dvd is the same price and pick that up, and the 2% remaining will just get a bluray player.
yea its cos soon blu-ray will be like the only choice, but they have to pack it with features 1st