POLL: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD as the next VCR?

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Zitat von dracule

yes the ps3 is the same price as a hd-dvd player. but real movie watchers get a real player, all console media players have 1/3 of the features of a normal standalone player. so you would have cheap arses going out and buying a bluray player ps3,.

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Yeah but once ps3 has established itself blu ray will dominate just because of the fact that its in the house already. Each time they sell a ps3, they sell a blu ray player. Just getting the product out to people (general public) is tough. I thikn blu ray will be the leader and that will be solely because of it being in the ps3.

yea exactly^!

Also blu-ray is more user friendly!!!!!!

(sorry counldn't resist, if u dont get me see his username)

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Zitat von iball®

Key there is 'once', read 'if at all'.
The Blu-Ray folks have pretty much taken everything from the HD-DVD spec and tossed it into their format at the last minute.

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Oh I see suddenly HD-DVD owns the right to be able to use h.264 codec. Geez come off the anti Sony bias already. They will use a new codec is the future to get better quality. Its going to happen wither you like it or not, and I have no idea why you wouldn’t besides your whole "I hate Sony" altitude. Sony is making Digital Discs better. I do no know you cant see that.
-= Double Post =-

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Zitat von dracule

do you honestly think that any movie company will fill those extra 20gb with stuff people want to use? it doesnt take 50gb for a 1080p movie! and you could say "ohhh you can put tons of extras on it", but people buy a movie to watch a movie, and not watch an hour blooper reel....

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Then u can say the same thing about current DVDs and the fact that in your world no one watchs the extras on the 2nd disc. But yes i bet they can fill that extra space with videos

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Zitat von dracule

yes the ps3 is the same price as a hd-dvd player. but real movie watchers get a real player, all console media players have 1/3 of the features of a normal standalone player. so you would have cheap arses going out and buying a bluray player ps3, but that would be 2% of the people who actually want a movie player.... and the 96% would see that hd-dvd is the same price and pick that up, and the 2% remaining will just get a bluray player.

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iT PLAYS MOVIES AND IT HAS SURROUND SOUND. What more can u ask for its not a recorder.

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Zitat von EM1L

I rather have you tell me things straight up, then me having to backtrack a thread.

Congrats on realizing Blu Ray will win. Next step is reversing all the ms lies and showing you the light of Sony. We have to change you back to the old DFS:p

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I didn't say it would win.

They're both gonna fail miserably.

DVD is gonna win.

It is truly is the ultimate irony that you, a Sony whore, could accuse anybody else of lying.

the fact is, optical media is going to fail soon. Stored Media is the future :D. Imagine at 2 Terabyte Media Player. Instead of renting movies you download it with your high speed T329042984 connection instantly :D

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Zitat von EM1L

To be fair they can look the same. But that just leaves you with the fact that Blu Ray can store more data then HD-DVD. So it makes no sense what so ever to want a format with less capacity.

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Good luck buying a Bluray disc that holds more space than HD-DVD. Bluray is currently limited to single layer and crappy MPEG2 encoding and is thus a much worse proposition than HD-DVD (which currently ahs the size advantage btw 30GB vs. 25GB). Sure Bluray might improve in the future, but that's dependent on a lot of factors, HD-DVD has that quality now and for a much lower cost of entry.

I think some people over play the PS3 factor because just because someone has the capacity to play the discs, doesn't mean they're going to buy them. Not a single person with SDTV will because DVD offers them the same quality for a lower price tag. AV enthusiasts wouldn't touch a console movie player with a ten foot barge pole so they'll drift to the best quality format (which at the moment is HD-DVD). Look at the UMD for instance, there's some 15 million people that can play them, but Sony are lucky if they sell two dozen in a week.

Regardless I don't see the point of continuing this debate as I still hold my line that neither format will ever be more than a niche product.

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Zitat von Alex.

Exactly, i'll pay more for better quality any day

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Just a shame Bluray looks worse then. ;)

Check out any review from a respected site and they all say the same. I've already provided 3 sources, you can look up some more if you want.

no blu ray is bigger capacity, that means you can store higher encoded video on it

Apparently blu ray can only utilize one layer right now. But im sure its because Sony knows the market for hd video isnt in reach right now so they'll wait till later. As soon as they can get both layers it will hold 50g which is way more than hd dvd. It will all come down to ps3 for blu ray. I know it wont be as great as a stand alone but it will help blu ray, thats all Im saying.

oh, isn't it 50gb yet.

im talking abour when it is.

Also think about blu-ray ps3 games. WOW!!!!! (tho probs $100 each!)

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Zitat von user friendly

Apparently blu ray can only utilize one layer right now. But im sure its because Sony knows the market for hd video isnt in reach right now so they'll wait till later. As soon as they can get both layers it will hold 50g which is way more than hd dvd. It will all come down to ps3 for blu ray. I know it wont be as great as a stand alone but it will help blu ray, thats all Im saying.

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My Hard Drive already holds 160GB.

Why would I want that?

It's your choice man.

HD dvd will win, both will fail though, dvd will stay, we ha seen this happen in the past, the laserdisk


the laserdisk, same size as records of the time, the laserdisk players were the same size of the vcr's at the time, yes they were big, laserdisc even provided a better picture, surly it would succede, not too differnet from anything at the time right? No, and look what emerged as succesor, ahh yes, VHS


Here are some pics to prove my claim

here is a old vcr, with a vhs on top

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../bb/Vr2020.jpg

and here is a laserdisk sleeve (the bigger white square thing) next to a vhs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-CRVDisc.jpg

this is just to show that laserdisk didnt fail because of its size, but because the old formats were better, and this is almost exactly to how it is now between dvd, and the hd dvd and blu ray

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Zitat von DFS

I didn't say it would win.

They're both gonna fail miserably.

DVD is gonna win.

It is truly is the ultimate irony that you, a Sony whore, could accuse anybody else of lying.

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Its even more ironic how ms has brainwashed you. You were an ms hater. I comend you for stoping to hate them just cuz its ms. But now your Sony hating. Just because u cant buy a PS3 which is the exact same reason u didnt like the 360. As soon as u get the console your opinion of it changes, its almost worthless listening to you until you buy, get or play a PS3.
-= Double Post =-

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Zitat von DFS

My Hard Drive already holds 160GB.

Why would I want that?

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What does your hard drive have to do with BD or HD DVD? Anywasy u could always use 3 BD discs to backup your hdd.

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Zitat von EM1L

Its even more ironic how ms has brainwashed you. You were an ms hater. I comend you for stoping to hate them just cuz its ms. But now your Sony hating. Just because u cant buy a PS3 which is the exact same reason u didnt like the 360. As soon as u get the console your opinion of it changes, its almost worthless listening to you until you buy, get or play a PS3.
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What does your hard drive have to do with BD or HD DVD? Anywasy u could always use 3 BD discs to backup your hdd.

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Pot, here's Kettle. You're both black.
The 360 currently EXISTS. The PS3 does NOT. So according to you - who has never even TOUCHED a PS3 much less played any games on it - it's worthless listening to anyone who hasn't done so.
Face it, you bought into the hype.

In other words, no one should listen to you either.

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Zitat von SpartanIIMark6

HD dvd will win, both will fail though, dvd will stay, we ha seen this happen in the past, the laserdisk


the laserdisk, same size as records of the time, the laserdisk players were the same size of the vcr's at the time, yes they were big, laserdisc even provided a better picture, surly it would succede, not too differnet from anything at the time right? No, and look what emerged as succesor, ahh yes, VHS


Here are some pics to prove my claim

here is a old vcr, with a vhs on top

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../bb/Vr2020.jpg

and here is a laserdisk sleeve (the bigger white square thing) next to a vhs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-CRVDisc.jpg

this is just to show that laserdisk didnt fail because of its size, but because the old formats were better, and this is almost exactly to how it is now between dvd, and the hd dvd and blu ray

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laser disk lol. that **** is huge

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Zitat von brain_stew

Good luck buying a Bluray disc that holds more space than HD-DVD. Bluray is currently limited to single layer and crappy MPEG2 encoding and is thus a much worse proposition than HD-DVD (which currently ahs the size advantage btw 30GB vs. 25GB). Sure Bluray might improve in the future, but that's dependent on a lot of factors, HD-DVD has that quality now and for a much lower cost of entry.

I think some people over play the PS3 factor because just because someone has the capacity to play the discs, doesn't mean they're going to buy them. Not a single person with SDTV will because DVD offers them the same quality for a lower price tag. AV enthusiasts wouldn't touch a console movie player with a ten foot barge pole so they'll drift to the best quality format (which at the moment is HD-DVD). Look at the UMD for instance, there's some 15 million people that can play them, but Sony are lucky if they sell two dozen in a week.

Regardless I don't see the point of continuing this debate as I still hold my line that neither format will ever be more than a niche product.



Just a shame Bluray looks worse then. ;)

Check out any review from a respected site and they all say the same. I've already provided 3 sources, you can look up some more if you want.

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Basically your agruement is HD DVD is better now, which it is. But I'm saying in the future things will change the BD will end up better. Idk why you talk like BD wont get better because it will. The quality can easily get.will get better once they use a newer codec.

All the bold is your opinion so its worthless debating that.
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Zitat von iball®

Pot, here's Kettle. You're both black.
The 360 currently EXISTS. The PS3 does NOT. So according to you - who has never even TOUCHED a PS3 much less played any games on it - it's worthless listening to anyone who hasn't done so.
Face it, you bought into the hype.

In other words, no one should listen to you either.

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Well then no one should listen to anyone about the PS3 or Wii since neither is out yet. And give them both a fair chance, which i am actually doing buy bothing both. Unlike you who isnt even giving the ps3 a chance beccause your buying into all this negative news about it and how bad it will be.

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Zitat von EM1L

Basically your agruement is HD DVD is better now, which it is. But I'm saying in the future things will change the BD will end up better. Idk why you talk like BD wont get better because it will. The quality can easily get.will get better once they use a newer codec.

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And all currently-being-sold Blu-Ray players will have the firmware that can decode that 'new' codec?
Right...in the 'future' I'll zip on down to the store in my flying car and buy one.
Homey don't think so...folks don't want to buy a Blu-Ray player now only to have to buy another one in a few months when the movies change codecs.
That tends to piss people off and turn them against companies.

And I currently detest Sony due to the way they've been mouthing-off about their fanbase/users in the press recently.
But if you enjoy being bad-mouthed by the company you so dearly love, then by all means you can continue to be the beotch in that situation.
I got off the Sony bus at the 'People will buy a PS3 at $600 because of the Sony Playstation brand name'.
That **** doesn't reflect the reality of the current economic situation for about 90% of the families in the U.S. let alone the planet.

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Zitat von EM1L

Basically your agruement is HD DVD is better now, which it is. But I'm saying in the future things will change the BD will end up better. Idk why you talk like BD wont get better because it will. The quality can easily get.will get better once they use a newer codec.

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You discourage people who talk about predictions and things that currently do not exist and then you go onto do exactly the same thing yourself. That is blind fanboyism, and means that your opinion should be utterly disregarded, afterall you just set them rules so the least you can do is abide by them.

You "think" Bluray will improve in quality and usurp HD-DVD. That is pure fantasy, no one can predict this. All we know now is that HD-DVD has better quality for now and the forseeable future, that is agreed, afterall you said it yourself. If I was to make a prediction that HD-DVD would improve its picture quality in the future then that would be fantasy. Just like your predictions are. Lets seperate fact from fantasy, so that we can have a logical debate, please. Otherwise please just leave as your comments are not helpful or welcome.

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Zitat von EM1L

Its even more ironic how ms has brainwashed you. You were an ms hater. I comend you for stoping to hate them just cuz its ms. But now your Sony hating. Just because u cant buy a PS3 which is the exact same reason u didnt like the 360. As soon as u get the console your opinion of it changes, its almost worthless listening to you until you buy, get or play a PS3.

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Ok, first off, don't be a hypocrite, and call what I think of the 360 as a "brainwashing"... I'VE ACTAULLY PLAYED A 360!

You've never even touched a PS3. Yet I'm the one that's brain washed? Are you freaking kidding me?

Second, this isn't about not being able to get something. I certainly could afford a PS3. I'm just not that dumb. There's a difference between not being able to afford something, and just not being retarded enough to blow my money on something so trivial.

And lastly, I give every system a chance, no matter how much it looks like crap.

Xbox, I hated it before I bought it, still hate it to this day.

Gamecube, I liked it abit before I bought it, now it's a piece of crap as far as I'm concerned.

PS2, loved, bought it, loved it even more.

There is no doubt that someday, I'll have a PS3 in my home. I always end up with all the systems, even the ones I hate. I'm just saying, there is no way on earth, that the PS3 is worth more than $300. MGS4 is not that good.

and I just gotta say... What happened to you? You used to be all over J Allards nuts.

You changed your opinion, and I never question it. I change my opinion, and you start ovulating about it every time I say something. Maybe your just mad that I'm right and it's too late for you to back pedal now?

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Ok, first off, don't be a hypocrite, and call what I think of the 360 as a "brainwashing"... I'VE ACTAULLY PLAYED A 360!

You've never even touched a PS3. Yet I'm the one that's brain washed? Are you freaking kidding me?

Second, this isn't about not being able to get something. I certainly could afford a PS3. I'm just not that dumb. There's a difference between not being able to afford something, and just not being retarded enough to blow my money on something so trivial.

And lastly, I don't hate a system until I play it.

Xbox, I hated it before I bought it, still hate it to this day.

Gamecube, I liked it abit before I bought it, now it's a piece of crap as far as I'm concerned.

PS2, loved, bought it, loved it even more.

There is no doubt that someday, I'll have a PS3 in my home. I always end up with all the systems, even the ones I hate. I'm just saying, there is no way on earth, that the PS3 is worth more than $300. MGS4 is not that good.

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Can I get a "hell yeah"?

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Zitat von iball®

Can I get a "hell yeah"?

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hell yea

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Zitat von thekon

the fact is, optical media is going to fail soon. Stored Media is the future :D. Imagine at 2 Terabyte Media Player. Instead of renting movies you download it with your high speed T329042984 connection instantly :D

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you know how much T3 internet would cost?

http://www.cybercon.com/t3.html

thats $2000 a month!!! Even in the future, im really doubtful that it would go down to today's average cable/dsl fee (average=$50-$60 a month)

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Zitat von aznballa1992

you know how much T3 internet would cost?

http://www.cybercon.com/t3.html

thats $2000 a month!!! Even in the future, im really doubtful that it would go down to today's average cable/dsl fee (average=$50-$60 a month)

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And your point is....you live in America.
Things differ when you travel outside that country.
In Kuwait - where I'll soon be living - there's FIBER connections in the wall of my new apartment and you only pay about what today's fees are for DSL which is around $50-$70 bucks for almost 100Mbps.
For a FIBER connection.
And oh yes, I already have my pocket media converter.

Not my fault America lags behind other countries....they're cheap-asses.

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Zitat von iball®

And your point is....you live in America.
Things differ when you travel outside that country.
In Kuwait - where I'll soon be living - there's FIBER connections in the wall of my new apartment and you only pay about what today's fees are for DSL which is around $50-$70 bucks for almost 100Mbps.

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Pfft, 2.5Gbp/s for €70 ;)
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...ghspeed_1.html

Pity I don't live in France :/

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Pfft, 2.5Gbp/s for €70 ;)
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/...ghspeed_1.html

Pity I don't live in France :/

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Damn French. :dry:

I don't think the Internet's fast enough to keep up with that connection. You could get a HD movie in less than a minute with that connection, that's if the servers could keep up.

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Zitat von iball®

And your point is....you live in America.
Things differ when you travel outside that country.
In Kuwait - where I'll soon be living - there's FIBER connections in the wall of my new apartment and you only pay about what today's fees are for DSL which is around $50-$70 bucks for almost 100Mbps.
For a FIBER connection.
And oh yes, I already have my pocket media converter.

Not my fault America lags behind other countries....they're cheap-asses.

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dang, that is some cheap internet lol

where u living rite now iball? i always thought u were american...

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Zitat von aznballa1992

dang, that is some cheap internet lol

where u living rite now iball? i always thought u were american...

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Look at the flag...and I am American.

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Zitat von iball®

Not my fault America lags behind other countries....they're cheap-asses.

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America lags behind in everything there isn't a lobbyist for.

It's the reason the US is one of the least fuel efficiant countrys. All the Lobbyist for GW's campaign are oil companies. Same with why every single food here has some form of High Fructose corn syrup (and is slowing killing us while GW keeps shi**ing in our cereal about "terrorists").

Lobbyists run this goddamn country. That's why when I get the money, I'm moving out of this hell hole. Maybe I'll move to Kuwait with you :)

crap double post

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Zitat von iball®

Look at the flag...and I am American.

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oh sorry

i missed that somehow lol

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Zitat von iball®

Can I get a "hell yeah"?

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ERR SCREW IT THE PICTURE IS JPEG [hell yeah]

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Well then no one should listen to anyone about the PS3 or Wii since neither is out yet. And give them both a fair chance, which i am actually doing buy bothing both. Unlike you who isnt even giving the ps3 a chance beccause your buying into all this negative news about it and how bad it will be.

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You see this is why i love reading ur posts...whether it be gramatically or philosophically you still manage to sound retarded and its HILARIOUS. Now plz continue to embarass urself while i check this forum later to get a good lol.

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Zitat von Smaxor5

You see this is why i love reading ur posts...whether it be gramatically or philosophically you still manage to sound retarded and its HILARIOUS. Now plz continue to embarass urself while i check this forum later to get a good lol.

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http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6132/lol0og.jpg

lmao to the above picture.

that.....is incredibly funny especially since they taste really good.. kudos to the pic

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Zitat von brain_stew

You discourage people who talk about predictions and things that currently do not exist and then you go onto do exactly the same thing yourself. That is blind fanboyism, and means that your opinion should be utterly disregarded, afterall you just set them rules so the least you can do is abide by them.

You "think" Bluray will improve in quality and usurp HD-DVD. That is pure fantasy, no one can predict this. All we know now is that HD-DVD has better quality for now and the forseeable future, that is agreed, afterall you said it yourself. If I was to make a prediction that HD-DVD would improve its picture quality in the future then that would be fantasy. Just like your predictions are. Lets seperate fact from fantasy, so that we can have a logical debate, please. Otherwise please just leave as your comments are not helpful or welcome.

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Have you learned nothing from technology? When ever something first comes out its not even close to how good it can become. Max specs are never realized at launch of a product. Look at xbox and compare halo 1 with halo 2. And yes HD DVD could get better as well if they used a better codec or higher bitrate etc.

Also there as so many ppl replaying to my post, I’m not obligated to replay so I wont.

Cool Soviet is back now we can make more fun of hi... I mean respect his knoweldge of technogoly...( :ROFL: )

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Have you learned nothing from technology? When ever something first comes out its not even close to how good it can become. Max specs are never realized at launch of a product. Look at xbox and compare halo 1 with halo 2. And yes HD DVD could get better as well if they used a better codec or higher bitrate etc.

Also there as so many ppl replaying to my post, I’m not obligated to replay so I wont.

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first, nobody watns to replay anything with you....

and who has the better codec? ohh yeah, hd-dvd does, bluray still uses dvd's codec...

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Have you learned nothing from technology? When ever something first comes out its not even close to how good it can become. Max specs are never realized at launch of a product. Look at xbox and compare halo 1 with halo 2. And yes HD DVD could get better as well if they used a better codec or higher bitrate etc.

Also there as so many ppl replaying to my post, I’m not obligated to replay so I wont.

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I don't recall DVD players had a worse codec when they first came out compared to today...

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Also there as so many ppl replaying to my post, I’m not obligated to replay so I wont.

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Sounds like somebody with a loss of words.

Well, I'll end this with one word.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2817/1009fd1.gif

Somebody should sticky this thread so that once the answer is determined whoever was right can rub in. I also am tired of this debate, more than likely this thread will be closed just like almost every other thread that is made in the ps3 forums. I hope things change once it comes out. It will probably only get worse though. DFS, you arent actually from Canada are you? Or do you just wish you were?:p