HD-DVD will win just because it has DVD in the name... period.
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HD-DVD will win just because it has DVD in the name... period.
All your doing here is proving my point that you absolutely don't have a clue what is going to happen, just like I said.Zitat:
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And no, the reason you're not replying is because you don't have anything to back up your meagre points. You'll just continue to make worthless responses like this which do nothing to back up your opinion, and try to avoid such by bringing up something unrelated. You fail.
lmao. Good ol' brain is back.
Proof Below.
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You fail.
Just for the record I still maintain my position that both formats will never maintain more than a niche market, in case I haven't made that clear enough yet. All I am merely saying is that I see HD-DVD as the superior proposition and the format that has the better chance of doing anything, however slim that chance may be.Zitat:
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But blu ray will be in the ps3! which I really dont think is going to fail. Who knows maybe both formats will be around for a couple of years until the next format evolves. HD is getting pretty big in Canada Im not sure about elsewhere but up here it's grown a lot in the last 2 years. HD TV's dominate floorspace in any store selling tv's with the exception of Trader Joe like places. Most companies dont even make crt's anymore or sd's.
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Just for the record I still maintain my position that both formats will never maintain more than a niche market, in case I haven't made that clear enough yet. All I am merely saying is that I see HD-DVD as the superior proposition and the format that has the better chance of doing anything, however slim that chance may be.
The HD era isnt quite here yet but I'd say 2 to 3 years it will be a standard for brodcasting and movies, why not games as well.
Blu-Ray will be with PS3... but who says PS3 will sale alot anyway? HD-DVD will win just because people will see the 'DVD' sign again and see 'HD' which means 'High Definition'. Since they have a 'HD' TV, then it would make since to have HD-DVD. HD is never giong to become a standard for broadcasting movies and television. Your talking about Digital will become a standard. Meaning no over the air.
What I said is what I meant. Every show, sports event, movie will be in HD not as an actual standard but they will have to make their program available in hd if they want to compete. OBviously, not everybody in the whole world will have an hd but there will be more than there is now, and SD looks ugly on hd sets:down:
who would like to sticky this?Zitat:
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as for me, I'm not sure whether the AVERAGE CONSUMER would go for an HD-DVD standalone player, an XBOX360 with an HD addon, or simply just purchase a PS3
PROS
* = Cell currently has very low yeilds any may not be as fast as assumed
** = Currently dual layer BD-ROM's do not exist
*** = Only in the console market
**** = Sony is currently slowly losing 3rd Party Support
***** = No game is slated to be released with '1080p'
****** = Only in the 600 dollar version.
1. The technical power of the Cell*
2. Blu-ray: more space** (52G) is only a good thing
3. PlayStation is still the leader*** in the gaming industry
4. PSX, PS2 backwards compatibility (huge library of games)
5. Strong 3rd-party support****
6. Controller: motion-sensing addition only a good thing
7. Online play (though still lackluster)
8. Standard harddrives
9. 1080p high definition gaming*****
10. Web browsing, just like the PSP
11. Connection to the PSP to enhance gameplay******
CONS
1. Cost: we've said it a million times
2. Blue-Ray: too expensive storage medium
3. Size: the thing is big
4. High game prices
5. Architecture: Cell is too unique and could cause developer problems
6. No rumble
7. Even with redundancy, PS3 might have high defects at launch
8. Despite its strengths, the PS3 will only be marginally better than its competitors
9. Ken Kutaragi (will ruin the PS3?)
HD will be standard in 3 years?Zitat:
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That's what one drunken philosopher would call, a pipe dream.
I don't wish I lived there, so much as I plan on living there in there in the future. As soon as I can get on stable footing, I'm hi-tailing it to the north, were people don't suck, and the president doens't sh*t in your breakfast.Zitat:
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Plus, free health care :)
Yeah, I hope you dont plan on injuring yourself though. B.C. is a great place to live but Ontario is just as good. BTW our prime minister isnt all that bright either but I guess he isnt causing wars or brushing off a huge disaster like new orleans like barely anything happened.Zitat:
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i edited your post in BOLD and UNDERLINEZitat:
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Well most of you havent seen a blu-ray disc actually playing, I am in the Navy stationed in Japan. I was able to watch a blu-ray movie demoed on a hd tv opposite a hdplayer on the same style tv... There was a noticable difference now the actual player had no "extra" features yet like a dvd player does with multiangles and crap but seemed efficiant enough, only thing I didnt care for was the humm it made it had a pc style cooling fan... So before you decide actually look at the damn things...
I doubt there is gunna be some revolutionary video format change.
DVD's are gunna be around for a really long time.
HD Hands down.
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just like the VHS did
i remember last year commercials stopped advertising the VHSs and only DVDs
Of course DVD will die at some point, but that point is not now. VHS has been around for 3 whole decades now and has only just died off in the last few years. DVD on the other hand hasn't even lasted a decade yet, it has plenty of legs left.Zitat:
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honestly, if people think bluray will win just because its in the ps3, they must be screwed up...
sure the ps2 sold 100 million units, but most of those units were sold when it was at or below $200... and the ps3 is 2.5 or 3x more expensive as that so alot less people will buy it.
and not to mention that the number of dvd players sold are well past a billion. so people know and trust the dvd name.
did you buy the PS2 knowing it was also a DVD player or did you buy it solely as a gaming system?
i know at the time of my purchase of a PS2 (which was about 3 years ago), i didnt have DVD movies at all so my PS2 was just a gaming console and not an all-in-one media device
Exactly, my first PS2 I bought was my first DVD player. Sure i didnt buy the PS2 for DVD but it was a HUGE Plus. Same goes with Blu Ray. Jsut like the PS2 got DVD into ppls homes, the PS3 do the same with Blu Ray. Once you have an installed base for your products.Zitat:
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The only reason some of you dont accept the a next gen disc format will take over is because you dont have a HDTV. If you guys had a 1080P TV like me you could actually see the difference in 480i/p and 1080P. Seeing is believing and i cant just tell you have much better HD is. For me i NEED HD or else my TV will looks like junk.
Plus now when ppl buy TVs they do get HD and so even if its not 1080P and is 720p or 1080i. Having HD still gives an increase in quality. Just face the fact that some of you are using obsolete technology and HD is the future and its hear to stay.
Is that the best you can do? Cite your opinion of what you think is obsolete and how you like to watch TV?Zitat:
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Yup, you pretty much LOST this battle, just like Blu-Ray will lose in the near future.
you cant say ps2 helped the user base of dvd's as much as bluray will. sure the ps2 had a dvd player, but that was the only new video format at that time. there was no competition.
Obsolete is 480 and DVD. Just like VHS is obsolete say goodbye to DVD movies and welcome the future.Zitat:
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No, analog is obsolete. Digital is the future. As in no more over the air. HD wont be standard for a long time.
Look, he can't even argue with actual reasons anymore. He can't do anything other than pull the company line.Zitat:
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Yep, it always works, just like the UMD did...........oh wait a second.Zitat:
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Btw, I don't feel like closing this thread any time soon, Em1l can continue to make a fool out of himself for as long as he wants.
Good i can continue to speak the truth without getting banned this time. Anyways lets go one. I'm finally happy we dont have to get a thread closed.Zitat:
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@ DFS give me 1 sec to get some more facts u and some other ppl can refuse to accept.
Don't blame me for not accepting garbage.Zitat:
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Plus, everytime you throw out your opinion based "facts", you get served.
You go girl!Zitat:
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Lyke, o my gawd!Zitat:
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http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/
@ brain_stew
Look at 3.3, same audio and video encoding. They are equel. You are wrong along with iball who said they stole that from HD-DVD, you are both wrong have a nice day:)
Also no announced HD-DVD players can display in 1080P while announced Blu Ray players can do 1080P.
Warner, Paramount, Fox, Disney, Sony, MGM and Lionsgate for BD v. Warner, Paramount and Universal for HD-DVD.
BD is just plain better.
-= Double Post =-
I'm sorry your jealous and didnt buy a 1080p tv so you cant see the greatness of 1080p.Zitat:
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Now BD is better then HD and thats a fact and so is that DVDs arent as good as either.
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Btw, I don't feel like closing this thread any time soon, Em1l can continue to make a fool out of himself for as long as he wants.
Every single format Sony has created as failed. Except CD. But that is only because it was Phillips who actually 'really' made THAT to begin with.
MiniDV and Walkman, were also Successes but due to Sony's ignorance they are now not nearly as popular as they were before.
1970s
* U-matic (1971-1983) -- FAILED
* Betamax* (1975-1988) -- FAILED
* Elcaset (1976-1980) -- FAILED
* STR Series of AV receivers (197X-present) -- FAILED
* Walkman (1979-) -- SUCCESS
* ICF-7600 Series of Shortwave Radios (1979-) -- FAILED
* Mavica (1981-??) -- FAILED
* Betacam* (1982-) -- FAILED
* Compact Disc (1982-) -- SUCCESS
* Watchman (1982-) -- FAILED
* 3.5" diskette (1983-) -- FAILED
* Discman (1984-) -- FAILED
* Video8 (1985-??) -- FAILED
* D2 (1988-) -- FAILED
* Hi8 (1989-) -- FAILED
* Video Walkman (1989-) -- FAILED
* NT (1991-??) -- FAILED
* MiniDisc* (1992-) -- FAILED
* Magic Link (1994-1997) -- FAILED
* DV (1995-) -- FAILED
* MiniDV (1995-) -- SUCCESS
* Digital8* (1999-) -- FAILED
* FD Trinitron (1996-) -- FAILED
* VAIO (1997-) -- FAILED
* Digital Mavica (1997-) -- FAILED
* Ruvi (1998-1999) -- FAILED
* Memory Stick* (1998-) -- FAILED
* HiFD (1998-2001) -- FAILED
* Super Audio CD (1998-) -- FAILED
* Aibo (1999-2006) -- FAILED
* Memory Stick PRO (2000-) -- FAILED
* MicroMV (2002-)
* Blu-ray Disc (2006-) -- SOON TO FAIL
* PSX (2003-) -- FAILED
* Connect (2004-) -- FAILED
* Universal Media Disc (UMD)* (2004-) (2005 UK-) -- FAILED
* Librie (2004-) -- FAILED
* LocationFree Player (2004-) -- FAILED
* Cellular Walkman (2005-) -- FAILED
OBJECTION!Zitat:
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http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4987/106/
http://www.axiomaudio.com/highdefinitiondvd.htmlZitat:
To achieve that enormous capacity, Blu-ray's pits are not only tinier but also the disc's recording layer is much closer to the disc surface. Although HD-DVD's potential capacity is significantly less than Blu-ray's staggering 50 GB capability, HD-DVD has one large advantage. Replicators (the manufacturers of the actual high-def discs) can economically put HD DVDs into production with only minor modifications to existing DVD pressing machinery. Blu-ray, on the other hand, requires totally new retooling, plus new manufacturing lines and presses, so there is a huge potential capital expense for Blu-ray disc manufacturers.
HD DVD also has one other advantage over Blu-ray. A hybrid HD DVD is possible, with a regular DVD movie version on one side of the disc and the High-Def version on the flip side, a feature that retailers and consumers would applaud.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13733 - First result on Google, could very well be more. Anyway all HD-DVD are encoded at 1080p.Zitat:
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What TV do you have Em1l?
You dont even have a 1080p HDTV?Zitat:
I'm sorry your jealous and didnt buy a 1080p tv so you cant see the greatness of 1080p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD#Overview
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The HD DVD format supports a wide variety of resolutions, from low-resolution CIF and SDTV up to HDTV formats such as 720p, 1080i and 1080p.[6] All movie titles released so far have had the feature encoded in 1080p (although the currently available HD DVD players do not have a 1080p output option), with supplements in 480i or 480p.
How can Blu Ray be better then High Definition?Zitat:
Now BD is better then HD and thats a fact and so is that DVDs arent as good as either.
It also says that HD-DVD has faster transfer data rate?Zitat:
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@ brain_stew
Look at 3.3, same audio and video encoding. They are equel. You are wrong along with iball who said they stole that from HD-DVD, you are both wrong have a nice day
Betamax had more people for them and they STILL failed.Zitat:
Warner, Paramount, Fox, Disney, Sony, MGM and Lionsgate for BD v. Warner, Paramount and Universal for HD-DV
Betamax was superior to VHS in EVERY Single way, yet it still failed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax
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1. go to Fry's and they have hd-dvd players with 1080p output.
bluray players have 1080p too but ohh wait ive never seen one because no bluray players are even out for most of the world... thats to bad.
2. i think what you mean is
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BTW i'm out of this thread till we get some more sony fanboys who throw up garbage and calls it facts.
Fixed that for you.Zitat:
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I never said they "stole" these codecs, I said that they are not using them now, nor are any releases that will be released anytime soon using them, nice try though.Zitat:
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Nor does the current Bluray players. They take 1080p from the disc, convert it to 1080i and then convert again to 1080p before its sent to your TV, giving an inferior picture. Don't believe me? Then have a look at any of the reviews of the BD-ROM players. Again, nice try.Zitat:
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Both formats lack certain critical backers (another reason why both will probably fail) but so did VHS and Betamax during their format war. Its the nature of the beast and short term support means nothing as all studios will levitate to the most successful format (yes even Sony) regardless of previous alliances. Not every studio was behind DVD to begin with, but now their isn't a studio in the world who doesn't support it. Again, nice try.Zitat:
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Keep digging that fanboy grave my friend.Zitat:
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And neither can you as not a single Bluray player supports real 1080p output. The fact that so many people don't have a 1080p set (like you just demonstrated) only goes to show how small a factor 1080p is and the fact that it is nowhere near hitting critical mass. Yep, you've just gone and helped to prove yourself wrong, congratulations.Zitat:
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I would perhaps believe if you had backed up this statement with at least one source. Heck, I might even start believing you if you had even seen a Bluray movie and HD-DVD movie side by side, but alas, you haven't. On the other hand experts have, and they've all agreed Bluray is worse (again consult the articles I linked earlier or use Google).Zitat:
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I cant belive Em1l thinks that hd formats will take over dvd, and dvd will become obsolete, im sure there are tons of people like me out there that are well satisfied with their bulky 30-40 inch crt tv's, i think that mine gives a out a great pic, no need to go out and spend $1000+ for hd, and then get a player for hd movies thats around $500+, its jsut silly
hey em1l, just curious, do you work for sony in anyway?