Reasons I'm not getting a 60gb PS3

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Zitat von Shatterdome

Uh no, this is a sign of a smart consumer. Sony has always overpriced their products because they are Sony. It's just like people and their Macs and Ipods....they are hooked more on the image of the brand, then on the actual product and what it can offer.....ever been to the sonystyle website ? do you see a microsoft or nintendo style website ? No, the Sony image is used to market their products more then the ability of the said product.

The reason I down on PS3 is because it does NOTHING 360 can't do, and for a whole helluva lot more....you can argue the fact that it hasn't been out for a year and yadda yadda, but according to Sony devs have had a full year with kits resembling the final PS3 specs, about as long as 360 devs have (they only got real 360's like 3 months before release).

So ya, show me PS3 doing something 360 isn't and is worth the extra cash, then maybe i'll lay off.....and don't even mention blu-ray, because that does NOTHING for the system and games, look up procedural synthesis, something the 360 specializes in, then see how a game that is 160 KILOBYTES can compare with Quake IV (not really,but with a little work and uping the size to maybe half a megabyte) There is no need for anything bigger then DVD-9 unless as mentioned you have pre-rendered cutscenes.....which also as mentioned are moot, and really should not be showing up on such a powerful next gen system (they should be aspiring to make in-game cutscenes look like CG without copping out and just using CG.....plus that adds a whole lot to the development process) Not to mention CG cutscenes are so last-last-gen....

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dido




did em1l leave? he hasnt posted for the past couple of days.

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Zitat von dracule

did em1l leave? he hasnt posted for the past couple of days.

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do you miss him

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do you miss him

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Hells no...

He probably posts at Playstation.com now, so he can be around his fellow sony sheep.

Im glad he went away, I think he finally learned his lesson.

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Zitat von Shatterdome

Uh no, this is a sign of a smart consumer. Sony has always overpriced their products because they are Sony. It's just like people and their Macs and Ipods....they are hooked more on the image of the brand, then on the actual product and what it can offer.....ever been to the sonystyle website ? do you see a microsoft or nintendo style website ? No, the Sony image is used to market their products more then the ability of the said product.

The reason I down on PS3 is because it does NOTHING 360 can't do, and for a whole helluva lot more....you can argue the fact that it hasn't been out for a year and yadda yadda, but according to Sony devs have had a full year with kits resembling the final PS3 specs, about as long as 360 devs have (they only got real 360's like 3 months before release).

So ya, show me PS3 doing something 360 isn't and is worth the extra cash, then maybe i'll lay off.....and don't even mention blu-ray, because that does NOTHING for the system and games, look up procedural synthesis, something the 360 specializes in, then see how a game that is 160 KILOBYTES can compare with Quake IV (not really,but with a little work and uping the size to maybe half a megabyte) There is no need for anything bigger then DVD-9 unless as mentioned you have pre-rendered cutscenes.....which also as mentioned are moot, and really should not be showing up on such a powerful next gen system (they should be aspiring to make in-game cutscenes look like CG without copping out and just using CG.....plus that adds a whole lot to the development process) Not to mention CG cutscenes are so last-last-gen....

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Have you been the Xbox.com or Nintendo.com?

It can play Blu Ray. Supports HDCP with HDMI ports. It also supports bluetooth devices.

It wasn’t rushed like the 360 was. Look at the HD-DVD [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']add-on, no hdmi ports .If that’s not enough(which it wont be) PDZ was pressed before it passed final tests to ensure it worked 100%[/FONT] Whats your point? Wii is coming out soon, so it isn’t just Sony who is releasing there consoles later then MS.

That’s your opinion.

So in your word we should still be using cartages because you don’t need the extra space of a CD and using DVDs was also a mistake in the PS2 and PS3. 360 games are already using DVD9 almost to the max, look at 360 game torrents. Soon games will be multidisc so Blu Ray will be useful in the same way as DVD was to CD.

If your watching something it better to have better graphics. I would like to see you try to make in game look like cgi since you make it sound so easy.
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Hells no...

He probably posts at Playstation.com now, so he can be around his fellow sony sheep.

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Do you know what a life is. I sucks when these forums are the only place ppl actually talk to you.

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Zitat von EM1L

Have you been the Xbox.com or Nintendo.com?

It can play Blu Ray. Supports HDCP with HDMI ports. It also supports bluetooth devices.

It wasn’t rushed like the 360 was. Look at the HD-DVD [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']add-on, no hdmi ports .If that’s not enough(which it wont be) PDZ was pressed before it passed final tests to ensure it worked 100%[/FONT] Whats your point? Wii is coming out soon, so it isn’t just Sony who is releasing there consoles later then MS.

That’s your opinion.

So in your word we should still be using cartages because you don’t need the extra space of a CD and using DVDs was also a mistake in the PS2 and PS3. 360 games are already using DVD9 almost to the max, look at 360 game torrents. Soon games will be multidisc so Blu Ray will be useful in the same way as DVD was to CD.

If your watching something it better to have better graphics. I would like to see you try to make in game look like cgi since you make it sound so easy.
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Do you know what a life is. I sucks when these forums are the only place ppl actually talk to you.

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nice.... :Punk:

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Zitat von EM1L

It can play Blu Ray. Supports HDCP with HDMI ports. It also supports bluetooth devices.

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Other than the gyro in the controller it does nothing extra for games. (You know those things that you buy te console for).

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It wasn’t rushed like the 360 was. Look at the HD-DVD add-on, no hdmi ports .If that’s not enough(which it wont be) PDZ was pressed before it passed final tests to ensure it worked 100% Whats your point? Wii is coming out soon, so it isn’t just Sony who is releasing there consoles later then MS.

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The HD-DVD add on couldn't have a HDMI port without doing all the processing on board. Which would mean it would cost the same as a full HD-DVD drive.
How the **** do you know Sony aren't rushing? I seriously doubt Sony are making this console at their lesure.

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So in your word we should still be using cartages because you don’t need the extra space of a CD and using DVDs was also a mistake in the PS2 and PS3. 360 games are already using DVD9 almost to the max, look at 360 game torrents. Soon games will be multidisc so Blu Ray will be useful in the same way as DVD was to CD.

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See we actually do need the extra space of DVD's, but we have come to a plateau in game sizes where they are only increasing slowly.

Biggest 360 game I can find is 6.7gb and that isn't "using DVD9 almost to the max"

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Zitat von EM1L

If your watching something it better to have better graphics. I would like to see you try to make in game look like cgi since you make it sound so easy.

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But as I said before using CGI breaks the immersion. You are switching between two different visions of the world you are playing in. They also take up less space, can be interactive and are cheaper and less time consuming to make.

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Zitat von EM1L

Have you been the Xbox.com or Nintendo.com?

It can play Blu Ray. Supports HDCP with HDMI ports. It also supports bluetooth devices.

It wasn’t rushed like the 360 was. Look at the HD-DVD [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']add-on, no hdmi ports .If that’s not enough(which it wont be) PDZ was pressed before it passed final tests to ensure it worked 100%[/FONT] Whats your point? Wii is coming out soon, so it isn’t just Sony who is releasing there consoles later then MS.

That’s your opinion.

So in your word we should still be using cartages because you don’t need the extra space of a CD and using DVDs was also a mistake in the PS2 and PS3. 360 games are already using DVD9 almost to the max, look at 360 game torrents. Soon games will be multidisc so Blu Ray will be useful in the same way as DVD was to CD.

If your watching something it better to have better graphics. I would like to see you try to make in game look like cgi since you make it sound so easy.
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Do you know what a life is. I sucks when these forums are the only place ppl actually talk to you.

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actually about the same year cd'd came out, they had to have multiple cd's. i have like 6 ps1 games with 2-3 cd's and have one ps1 game with 6 cd's. so the dvd was a must. so far, there really hasnt been any multidisk dvd games for all the years it has been out. and the ones that have 2 disc's are full of cutscenes. cd's were outdated the moment they came out, while dvd's are still more than capable of handling nextgen games.

if they had hd-dvd built-in, it would be $500, and nobody would want to buy it, just like nobody really wants to buy a ps3.

cut scenes suck. one minute you are holding a rifle, you go into a cutscene and your holding a pistol, nobody likes cutscenes. and if you use custom character mods, like outfits, than cutscenes really take you away from the game.

Gosh, people need to learn how to friggin spell. Use the Vbulletin correctly!

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Have you been the Xbox.com or Nintendo.com?

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Xbox.com to talk to XBox Liver's. Nintendo.com to check up on my Nintendo Wifi stats.

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It can play Blu Ray. Supports HDCP with HDMI ports. It also supports bluetooth devices.

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You can play Blu-ray via USB 2.0. It CAN Support Bluetooth Devices. Not that 'it will support' Since i highly doubt it will support the Wii-mote -_-.

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It wasn’t rushed like the 360 was.

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Yet you went to best buy and wait to get one. The next day you were saying Perfect Dark Zero was the best game ever. I guess things do change when you 'do' Sony.

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add-on, no hdmi ports .If that’s not enough(which it wont be) PDZ was pressed before it passed final tests to ensure it worked 100%

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Beta-testing... EVERY game has it. Dont act like PDZ is so special.

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That’s your opinion.

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Its a friggin forum. What do you expect.

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So in your word we should still be using cartages because you don’t need the extra space of a CD and using DVDs was also a mistake in the PS2 and PS3.

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Yes, we could be still using CD's and DVD's. Blu-ray isnt a requirement.

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Soon games will be multidisc so Blu Ray will be useful in the same way as DVD was to CD.

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How exactly will it become useful? Hasn't anyone told you the more data you have on something the longer it takes to access it. In fact, mutlidisks would be MORE useful. My 500 Gig 7200 RPM takes alot longer to load then my 80 Gig 10,000 RPM. Which is a great example since DVD Drives have faster read times at the moment.

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If your watching something it better to have better graphics. I would like to see you try to make in game look like cgi since you make it sound so easy.

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Jeez, i cant understand what your saying.. ugh. Anyway CGI is 'Computer graphics interface' in other words. Anyone can make CGI. The quality of it will obviously differ though.

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Do you know what a life is. I sucks when these forums are the only place ppl actually talk to you.

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This is coming from someone who has over 5000 posts on a forum. Lmao.

Ok Emil....what you don't understand is PROCEDURAL SYNTHESIS, devs are just starting to use this, and it probably won't be common until 3rd gen games, but in using that games will get ALOT SMALLER not bigger my friend.

Yes actually I would like to see us still use cartridges, helluva lot quicker load times and don't get scratched....just unfortunately they would be like 2' cube and cost $1000 a game....look at neo geo. So ya they had to switch to CD's and yes the switch to DVD was warranted at the time, with the technology available...but now a days a switch to a bigger media isn't, especially with PROCEDURAL SYNTHESIS...and techniques for compression and duplicating geometry and models just getting better.

The lack of HD-DVD and HDMI was a smart move on MS, 80% if not more of people cannot even use them, so why would we want to spend $100-300 more for something we can't use....MS is waiting for 3-4 years to release xbox 420, at which time the market will be more saturated with HDTV's, componets will be cheaper.....I wouldn't have bought a 360 if it had HD-DVD and HDMI which made it cost more....it's great and all if you can use it but most of us can't and MS knew that.

Yes i've been to xbox.com and nintendo.com....very different from sonystyle.com.....goto xboxstyle.com....yeah, you get some ghey ass 6th grader's website trying to copy Sony....goto sonystyle.com you see an official website with pictures of preppy queers holding Sony products and main headings of product advertisements saying "Smart and Good looking". Yeah that really has a f*cking impact on the performance of the product....

I'm with you, the launch games for 360 blew, that's why I never got one at launch and waited until some decent games like FNR3 and Oblivion were out...but at least MS had it's sh*t together enough to release the hardware and have dev's working on it ASAP, sure they could have waited to release it, but why ? They wanted to get as many out the door before PS3 launched, just makes good sense from a buisness standpoint.....and don't say defective this defective that...the only reason it seems so prevalent is because the age we live in....the age of forums, where anybody with internet has a voice....forums where not the popular thing they are today back in the day of PS1, DC and even PS2.....just wait till PS3 launches....

Well I got my typing practice for today....adeu!

i like cartridges, they are nice. no load times.

i dont think i would need 60 gigs.

I wouldn't mind a 60 GB hard drive if I could play homebrew and emulators on the system. But I know that won't happen. I have no interest in paying $500 or $600 for a system that will not run unsigned code. I can buy a decent PC at walmart for only $350 (w/o monitor, but i got a bunch of old ones here).

There is a very good possibility that the XMB will be flawed, just like the psp's. It wasn't even functioning fully at E3, so i'm sure they havn't covered every aspect. It ALMOST justifies the high price, because you can uh...backup all your games...and oh ya homebrew...

If I had to pick, I'd get the 60 gig. I won't be investing in one anytime soon though. I don't play games enough to drop that much after buy an xbox 360.

i dont need a console. im happy with my psp, ds and pc

well 600 is just too much, and the 500 dollar one is worthless no hdmi, smaller HD, no PSP connectivity, no PS2 memcard slots, no memstick and other card slots.
i dont wanna soud like a fanboy here, but this is what i think ppl r thinking
"wow $600 is alot for a video game system, and $60-$80 dollars per game is ridiculous, ill think ill just go with the next best thing the xbox 360"
thats my 2 cents even microsft sound that if ur going to get 2 systems get the wii and 360 and thats what i plan to do

I wouldn't call it the next best thing either....next cheapest thing is more accurate :P

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Do you know what a life is. I sucks when these forums are the only place ppl actually talk to you.

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Insult = 10 day ban.

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Zitat von Kei-kun

just wish they'd lower the price a bit.

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Everybody wishes that :Cry:
Why cant they make it $400 More people would buy it and maybe break even in 2-3yrs Or if it doesnt just $100 down to $500 for 60 and $400 for the 20

We Can wish :humped:

i would buy ps3 even for a 1000eu

or yall could just wait for the psp4 and run all the ps3 stuff on there

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Insult = 10 day ban.

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I love you brain-stew.:Punk:

I'll stick with the 60GB version mainly for the HDMI output and the increased HDD space. The rest I could care less about to be honest.

20.

If i 'mod' my ps3, I'd get a seperate harddrive anyways ;)

I listen to a lot of music, and I'll most likley want to store some videos on there, so i'll need the 60 gig. Can't wait, only one more month.

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Zitat von Evab3vA

I'll stick with the 60GB version mainly for the HDMI output and the increased HDD space. The rest I could care less about to be honest.

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Ditto.

NONE!!1!!1!1*shift 1*!!1!11 :p

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Can't wait, only one more month.

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2 months.......

I'm not goign to be able to afford teh PS3 for a while, so I might as well save up for the 120gig version. ;)

The 60GB is excellent for many things. I deal with a lot of videos and music so it'll be great to intergrate that with my gaming console. And please don't give me any crap like, "Oh, well you can just do that on a PC." Does a PC have those excellent games like on a PlayStation? Don't think so . . .

Actually you can...

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Does a PC have those excellent games like on a PlayStation? Don't think so . . .

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Of course not, that's what Macs are for: playing Playstation games via emulation.

hate to burst peoples bubble, but in this day and age, 20gb and 60gb are both piss poor ammounts of space, microsoft made me laugh with their $80 20gb sata.. for that price you could buy a 400gb sata2 ...

I am getting a 60gb because I got about $800 for my graduation and I could also get a few games to.

none!!!

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hate to burst peoples bubble, but in this day and age, 20gb and 60gb are both piss poor ammounts of space, microsoft made me laugh with their $80 20gb sata.. for that price you could buy a 400gb sata2 ...

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There are no 2.5" drives that go to 400gb...

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Zitat von Ciaran500

There are no 2.5" drives that go to 400gb...

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Thats what i was wondering...

60 Gig model all the way. Got mine pre-ordered already.

The only way i'm getting it is if it has AT LEAST as good of video support, hopefully better (no stupid ass file-naming system PLEASE!!!) as the PSP and acts as a location free basestation at some point, or gets hacked to sh*t like the PSP. Then next holiday I would think of getting it with incometax...

Oh yeah and if the PS3 is so "computer like" I would hope you could plug in a 300gb external USB drive and have it recognize it as a storage device for ANYTHING, ie not just music like one system I know of.