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This is a discussion on PS3's Pandora within the PS3 Hacks, Exploits and Homebrew forums, part of the PS3 Main category; wow. Nevada swoops in and clears everything up w/ 1 post....
wow. Nevada swoops in and clears everything up w/ 1 post.
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So when people say they lost power while updating and bricked it isn't true?Originally Posted by Nevada
(for ps3 not psp)
i find it hard to believe it has NO service mode at all - all sony products seem to have some kind of service mode. Maybe its like the Sony Walkmans and has it built into the fw - u enter in the right keys in the right order at the right point and it goes into service mode??
(PS I don't know about the workings of such things its just an idea)
People that say why wuld you want to run ISO's cus u can't dl 40gigs - anyone remember PSX days before high-speed broadband came along? people copied the discs and sold them at markets - if the PS3 is hacked I reckon this would start up again
eww that would mean buying $20 + blu ray disksOriginally Posted by steve_acfc
or huge hard drives
So Nevada your saying that if I come home one day and my PS3 does this
and I ship it to Sony the first thing there going to do is take it apart and make sure every little thing is in the right place, or are they going to put it into service mode?
The study of the failsafe method during flashing is interesting...
Nevada, can you give some opinion about the following previous studies, please :
- .pup files (updates) are around 100Mb-120Mb in size
- physically there are 2 nands of 128Mb each
- a "nand extractor" source got published, which just interleaves both nands dumps to produce something that looks like it can be parsed...
I guess encryption prevents much from happening, but what would be your guess on where are located the current and the older firmware? Thanks.
That only happened because he either abused it, or screwed something up with the OtherOS.Originally Posted by CR0WN
yellow light indicates hardware failure.Originally Posted by CR0WN
Tell me, just what would they do with the hardware in 'service mode', when the hardware isn't functioning?, when you smash a tv, what use is an onscreen display to "fix it", when a 360 red rings, what use is a diagnostics disk?, NO USE AT ALL, sony would simply strip the machine, and test each part on a test setup, and replace the broken part, or if no immediate errors were found, ship out a replacement unit.
as i said, recovery mode and is for firmware/software
recovery mode is useless for hardware.
All modern televisions have a service mode, for diagnostics of the SOFTWARE, ps3's software is protected from becoming corrupt, via bad flash's etc, hence it has no software based service mode.Originally Posted by Phil
it more than likely has a location within the hardware where internal diagnostics can be performed, but externally there is none.
Again, people, STOP comparing the ps3 to other things, other things _ARE NOT_ the same as a ps3, even if they're made by the same company, it's so infuriating to hear people spout crap like that, "walkmans have one", "tv's have one", thats fine, it really is, but THEY ARE NOT PS3's, and for the record, walkman/diskman diagnostic modes are more or less worthless for anything but changing settings, you cannot upgrade or replace system software with them, and you cannot even access said diagnostic menus if the software on them becomes corrupt.
PS3 has no service mode.
So if for some reason or another the partitioning table gets messed up in one of the Nands can the PS3 repartition its own Nand?
the chances of both nands messing up is highly unlikelyOriginally Posted by CR0WN
I'm sorry I meant one of the Nands, the primary one.
then it would load the secondary one...which is what it is for =|Originally Posted by CR0WN
But what if you managd to spoof the DNS address fo where the ps3 goes to update, then wouldn't you also be able to make the ps3 look for it's update only to find a 0.0 update. wouldn't the ps3 then revert back to the one installed on the secondary nand? Then after performing it once, Theoretically couldn't you just repeat the process to go back to original firmware?Originally Posted by Nevada
Have the spoofed DNS redirect, somehow manage to decrypt he update and change the update value. So t hat the PS3 "thinks" it's getting a new firmware but in reality it is downgrading to a lower one. ( i think this may work)
I would also think that D_A would know a bit about how Sony codes their Firmware for both psp and for PS3. It's ignorant to think that he just specializes in the psp. I bet he codes on many different platforms that we don't even know about.
There are only two infinite's, The Universe and Human Stupidity.- Albert Einstein
Sony Messed up and had to give me a Brand New 60gig PS3, not a refurb
Then the PS3 would work but the NAND that you update with would not work because the partitioning table is screwed, that is what im saying...Originally Posted by afiser
can the PS3 repartition its NAND?
If not then it must have a recovery mode. I doubt Sony would replace the chip, instead of just repartitioning it.
And sorry I just wont let this topic die i just really cant believe that something so complex does not have a recovery mode, even if it does have a million fail safe features.
Last edited by CR0WN; 02-13-2008 at 07:08 PM.
noOriginally Posted by soopergooman
already tried. The PS3 checks the already downloaded update data to make sure its correct. And the PS3 firmware is probably coded much differently. It runs on completely different hardware.
If one of the nands got messed up it would run off the second. Then I would assume it could repartition the nand by doing a simple scan and checking for bad sectors. I'm sure sony could easily have done that. And DA may code for many other things. But ps3 is not one of them seeing as noone can code homebrew for ps3 seeing as its not cracked, and if the nand got screwed up badly enough to make it unuseable the ps3 may pretend to die so you send it in and they replace the chip before any real damage occurs.
Originally Posted by GW2
Yes I agree that it would run off the second NAND and the PS3 would function completely or pretend to die, but you would not be able to update so you would be stuck on your previous firmware. But you really think they'd replace the chip for a simple software failure.
I would have sent Sony about 6 PSP's if that were true.
If the PS3 really can repartition a damaged NAND all by itself then I will admit that there is no Pandora for the PS3, but seeing as we cant possibly know this to be true or not (yet). No one can really tell.
or they don't have a service mode, despite the headaches it would give them so nobody hacks it that way. they don't make money from hw anyway, so they can afford to just replace it
I have it on very good authority that there absolutely is a service mode.
[I fail @ life]
A service mode monitored by the hypervisor no doubt. Which would prevent anything unsigned from accessing the service mode.
(This is partly theory...May be wrong...probably am.)
You know, i think the PS3 isn't going to get cracked.
Why waste your time.
No IsOss... too bad.
Here where I live, you can get games for $2.
So for me to say this, it's quite alot.
As 360 games are $4.
I mean, using $60 on one game fore me is more than 10 times what i would be using for an ordinary game (i know they are pirated).
Still, everyone buys them, so i mean, the Ps3 isn't getting cracked at this rate.
So just buy the games, what's the point of using homebrew anyway?
I mean, homebrew is good, but i think what Sony is doing for PS3 is quite alot compared to what it has done for the PSP(even though they DID try a alot).
Dude I'm sorry but what you just wrote contributes in no way to what we are talking about, and is completely irrelevant.
Power cords have nothing special.Originally Posted by CR0WN
Memory stick readers are not on all ps3's
Disk's need to be checked for authenticity before boot and you need the firmware to check that, so no.
Pandora was partially found while looking through decrypted ipl which to read and decrypt the ipl you need to have and exploit and run code.Originally Posted by CR0WN
yesOriginally Posted by CR0WN
Doubt it without a way to run code.Originally Posted by Skyline34
The ps3 will only run encrypted updates(or else we would be running code right now). And even if so the update runs hash checks and every thing on the update.Originally Posted by soopergooman
Service mode is meant to be very basic and striped down so I doubt it will run the hypervisor.Originally Posted by Alistar
And for everyone saying there is no service mode, what happens when the firmware is good enough to boot but corrupted to the point of no functionality, remember screwed up backgrounds and gameboots on the psp.
Now my theory for service mode is a hard drive with the ipl and firmware on that, and booted with a power/eject button combo on the front of the machine.
Well if there is a PS3 service mode, there's probably a good chance that Sony designed it so there would be no way that the end user could access it. This could mean that Sony has special hardware that they use (and not something easy to obtain/make like Pandora). The PS3 doesn't have to be compact like the PSP so its no doubt much more complicated.
Last edited by mohaas05; 05-27-2008 at 03:40 PM.
The whole thing about service mode is it is designed to be easy to access so that they don't have to open up the machine, and I dont see any data ports laying around on the back of the machine.Originally Posted by mohaas05
its possible that the PS3 may be able to communicate specifically through a USB/Ethernet port to some sort of hardware. I mean because I agree about it being easy to access but it also must not be accessible by the end user.Originally Posted by zmathue
It'll be cracked eventually. Period.
it could be a numerous amount of things. I am just going to think outloud.
It could be a usb dongle with an image to boot a separate os- but that would probably need a FW.
It could be maybe a proprietary bluetooth or wifi device that boots up the system. But again its high level.
It could also be a interestingly formated internal HD as someone else said.
But whose to say it is the same method for every model, maybe it is SD cards for the 80s and 60s and something else for the 40s, 20s. The 40 gig for instance has a fan mode while the 20, 60, 80 doesn't. That doesn't seem like a huge difference but that means that the firmware isn't the same.
Freeplay- what do you mean you have authority to say that it is real? If you have any info please release and share.
have on authority not have authority.
.... what does service mode do?
sorry for asking such a noob question.
He has this under STRICT authority meaning he can't share.
However, it's CONFIRMED that it exists.