Oh, so that explains why they are dead last in the great "home gaming console wars".Originally Posted by Titor
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This is a discussion on PS3 to have hard drive and cost $300-$400? within the PS3 News forums, part of the PS3 Main category; Originally Posted by Titor One problem with this post: Nintendo has NEVER sold a console below or even at cost. ...
Oh, so that explains why they are dead last in the great "home gaming console wars".Originally Posted by Titor
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You don't understand how Nintendo works. They've profited off Gamecube more than Microsoft has profited off Xbox, despite the fact they they are dead last worldwide. Simply because Nintendo uses cheap components to make Gamecubes while Microsoft uses expensive components, greatly increasing their costs.Originally Posted by iball
It bothers me when people say Nintendo is going to fail, because they're profiting like crazy off Gamecube and even if Revolution were to stay in 3rd place and only sell 1 more unit than Gamecube ever did, it will still be a success, simply because Revolution will again use inexpensive parts. Why do you think Nintendo can have this attitude of "We don't care about the competition?", only because they know regardless of whatever Sony or Microsoft do they can cruise along at solid profits without ever having to market the machine.
Nintendo doesn't control as much of the market as Sony and MS, but they make more money off each console as ztype explained, and then almost all their games are 1st party, and so are their accessories. They make money off almost everything their consoles support.
Nintendo still lead the console market profits wise, I can't see much changing with regards to that. They're now selling 3 succesful pieces of harware all at a profit and they get the majority share of software sales on all of these devices. Microsoft and Sony sell their consoles at a loss and only publish a fraction of the games on the system.
Again, you guys should recognize many things.
First things first, nintendo is third in sales, but number 1 in profits, they can manufacture cheap and sell even or higher, it doesn't mean their products are cheap, they focus on their games more than technology and innovation over graphics, processors etc (and don't think I am a nintendo fanboy, in truth i have started to hate nintendo with their gimmicks).
Second, Sony is at an extreme loss right now, from PS2, PSP, and many other failed projects, they did not make money off of PS2 and I am pretty sure (i need to find the article) that they are losing on the PSP.
Let's point something out for you all, the Blue Ray drive is supposed to be $100 per console, not to mention the cell which is estimated to be about $150-$200 and the graphics card which is estimated to be $150, as well as the various other hardware etc, and the PS3 is estimated to cost over $500 to produce, release it at $300, it'll be over for Sony before they realise it, $350 is pushing it $400 is safe , and $450+ would be a much better business strategy.
Let's also look at something, do you realize who is backing Blue Ray compared to who is backing HD - DVD? Microsoft and Intel are both backing HD- DVD. Understand this and you will soon see an amazing thing happen. Sure the computer manufacturers are backing Blue Ray like Dell, HP, apple, etc, thats all fine and dandy, but with no proccessor or operating systems that support it (at least without some modifications), you are going to see ALOT of people hop on HD-DVD. Microsoft is going to want to make blue ray a bit harder to use on the new Windows. Why? Because it will FORCE more people to use HD - DVD, bingo more cash for them, if the OS doesn't support blue ray, people will become lazy, and just get HD DVD, especially because it will be cheaper. Intel, come on, they design the processors, they hold the most power in this. If they decide their processors will solely support HD- DVD, and AMD joins, then IBM may be the only ones opting for Blue Ray (thats if IBM doesn't decide to support HD - DVD), so sure Blue ray has the little companies, but once you get the Processor makers, and the Operating System owners supporting HD DVD, you don't have much of a choice, and bam, Blue Ray may become obsolete. Uh oh.
Its a theory, I mean Microsoft and Intel might support Blue Ray, but from a business standpoint, either way will work, especially if they are directly manufacturing HD DVD, then it will DEFINETLY work alot better.
very good insight, if from the start thought sony was losing money, but not THAT much money....also yeah they are screwed with blu-ray....
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Some how I don't see how sony is losing money from ps2 anymore, maybe around the launch of the ps2, but that was some time ago, and now they have released a slim line ps2 soooooo, I think the ps2 must have been some sort of success for a second version, massive game library, and didn't it get a award for advancing technology or something,
so maybe it's just me but somehow it seems the ps2 did make sony money, but hell I could be wrong they only sold 50 million anyway.
yeh your right they were losing money on the psp, but usually when there is a price drop on a product for us (price cut in Taiwan, i think it was), there was an even bigger price drop for the company, so I doubt they are losing anymore.
Now with blu ray versus hd-dvd I can half agree with you, but I wouldn't decide so quickly; although hd - dvd does have intel and a couple of companies from the film industry, Sony does have a larger number of movie related companies behind it, when I say larger number I mean in the share of the market, not necessarily individual companies.
and anyway if sony is going to make such a big loss on their console then, for once people will be getting more than what they paid for, and thats a pretty good reason for me to buy it.
Sony isn't losing money on PS2 anymore, Microsoft is the only company that's losing money on their console at this point.
Sorry I didn't mean to say Ps2, I meant to say Sony is losing tons of money. Though I still am unsure about hte PS2 losses I thought they were, but it is a fact sony is losing money:
There ya go. Microsoft main loss may not be its console, it has to shoulder the cost of distributing the games, more xbox live bandwith costs, and alot more.
Too bad for Sony though (and on the Devs dropping PS3):
I don't know I hope not though because as much as I love 360 I will also probably buy a PS3.
Good luck on $300 - $400.
$300-400 I can only hope, but sony may not have a choice, unless they want to narrow there buyers.
I see what you mean now, I can only imagine how much it cost sony to develope the cell, and if their tv's are failing aswell then they seem to be taking quite the risk with this ps3.
Well I don't think the ps3 is going to be less then a moderate success, so next year should be very interesting.
But sony's business plan has always been to take a hit in the creation of the console and then make it back in games sales, except with the rise of game prices, and losing $100+ per system it will be too big of a risk. Even ken kuturagi was quoted saying, "we want the gamer to say, "i must work more hours for this" " slightly paraphrased but thats about it word for word.
Yeah, the Gameboy Micro actually costs Nintendo only $35 to produce...
I've been operating under the assuption PS3 will cost around $500 at launch. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. If that report is true, and it'll cost around $500 to make, they'd only be losing on distribution and marketing. Not too bad.
On the current gen side, I've heard PS2 only costs around $70-80 to make right now while xbox is still closer to $150. There was speculation that Sony would drop PS2 to $99 in an attempt to snipe 360's launch. Add in the extreme shortage of launch 360's (the Wal-Mart I work at is getting 14, only 4 of which will be premium packs) and not only is 360 a more expensive alternative than the PS2, but now it's not even an alternative. You can't have it. Not before Christmas, anyway. So 360's 6 month or so lead on PS3 loses a lot of its thunder for the first few months... Holiday season months. It makes their lead almost negligable. Also, any real success is going to happen in Japan, and guess what: 360 is NOT going to beat PS3 over there.
MS is making a lot of fuss, but it mostly seems empty to me. I thought it might be an interesting war until the ridiculous shortage thing. Even if Sony only launches in Japan in spring then in September over here, I'd say they've got the better hand.
Do you think ppl are buying xboxs right now? NO why because they know its about to die since the xbox 360 is coming out. People aren't going to buy a PS2 over an Xbox 360. People know that the ps3 is coming so they're not going to go buy one. Launching in only Japan is suicide for Sony. They've made more money of the psp in the US than in Japan and it's been out for about half the time here. With nintendo the the NR coming out this spring and nindento having a global launch like the xbox 360 its be out everywhere by july. So it'll steal some ppl from buying the ps3 since they spent they're money on a Xbox 360 and NR. Plus a 500 price tag for just the console isn't very cheep.Originally Posted by Snaku
SS, are you following me?
Are people buying xbox's right now? Yes. Are they buying PS2's right now? Yes. I work at Wal-Mart, and the number of Xbox's and PS2's coming into the store and subsequently leaving the store hasn't decreased. Actually, we have been selling fewer xbox's but that's because all we have are the $180 Forza bundles. I've had a few people asking about when 360 comes out but not very many people seem all that stoked. In short: the current gen of consoles isn't over, despite 360's imminent launch. You have to remember that us hardcore gamers don't make up the majority of the industry, so just because there's a lot of hype about 360 on these forums doesn't guarantee anything.
As far as I know, Sony hasn't said they're only launching in Japan. I was merely saying that even if they go that route- I don't think it'll hurt them too much.
$500 isn't cheap, but I do believe it's reasonable for what PS3 is offering.
I don't mean to be rude, but try not to comment to much on the state of retail when you don't have the information to back it up. I realize, my own observations are somewhat limited, but like it or not, Wal-Mart is the leading retailer in the US and what happens there reflects what happens in retail in the US, and Wal-Mart is still selling PS2's at the expected rate for just under two months before Christmas. If 360 has made a dent, it's a small one.
Originally Posted by Snaku
Why do people have the assumption that Japan matters more in gaming than the rest of the world? Do you realize that the US is more technologically advanced than Japan? I think thats where many people get this misconception from, because people think Japan is so advanced. It matters in sales, its not like one Japanese person is going to buy TWO Ps3s because they want to show their patriotism. It is also HIGHLY unlikely that the PS3 will ship with a hardrive for a $500 price tag, which is another hit. The PS2 dropping in price? No one is going to be actively searching out Ps2s like that during Christmas, its going to be an all out race to get the 360s, sure people still WANT Ps2s, but the amount on ebay and people selling them used outweighs that $100 price tag. Hell I could buy on eofr like $50-$70 from most people so thats not that bad.
Why assume Japan matters more? I guess because I think their games are better. So, the console that is more successful there will get the games I want to play. That will be PS3.
I'm not sure if people are going to be hunting for PS2's and xbox's. I'm just saying that at work we're still selling them like always and we have quite a few in stock for Christmas. I think a lot of people are overestimating a new console's launch. Only the hardcore will be lining up for 360 on launch day. Add the extreme shortage (4 premium packs in an extremely busy Wal-Mart in a town where a large part of the population is the target demographic for xbox) and I'm not too worried about 360's head start.
im really not worried about 360.
i think microsoft is making mistakes with this. microsoft is overestimating themselves.
i hate how they think and how they try to monopolize everything.
and yes with alot of things japan is more advanced than here.
and yes with the price cuts people will buy more.
and who is going to do beter in japan, thats right the ps3.
You dont know that, already developers are leaving because of production costs, and if you have seen ninenty nine nights in action you will see that the Xbox has some huge potential in Japan. The PS3 doesn't come out till like next spring (more likely fall) don't worry about it doing better.
It depends on the PS3's price if its a lot higher than the $400 and the Xbox gets japanese suppport it has a good chance.
What developers are leaving PS3 because of production cost? Why does no one answer this?Originally Posted by hyakku
I could have sworn I linked to this. Anyway I know the maker of condmened is and I didn't scan the rest of the article for the other companies I'll just link to the article.
there are more but I'm tired.
This is a vague article, as they typically are, that mentions no names. It says "one developer" questioned whether or not to continue development for PS3.Originally Posted by hyakku
And Condemned is being developed by Monolith Productions for SEGA, they never intended on developing the game for PS3, and SEGA is obviously funding many games for PS3 so it's not as if they're jumping ship.
I dont know. But Man its not going to be easy as 1 2 3 to get blue ray to #1 it will take years and might not even make it. I mean how many people already have dvd drives ? Billions , I dont think more half of them would want to cash out 400-500 on a blue ray disk. Just my 2 cents.
IM just curious to know how do you know 100% that MS is deliverlety saying their short handed ? Did you ask Peter Moore or Bill Gates himself?? We dont know nothing and the big sites like 1 up or IGN dont know neither.Originally Posted by Snaku
You know, the above quote actualy has some good points. First of all, all is nice and smooth untill companies start crysing "shortage"(yes, i was mad when sony cried this with PSP last crhistmas). And the real battle most of the time goes on in Japan. no way MS will take the pacific from Sony, just no. perhaps NA will fall towards MS, but what really counts here is Japan.
It could be argued that nothing can be proven with 100% certainty. Everything you "know" is based on all the information that is available to you, but there is always information that isn't available.Originally Posted by davidjr1989
That said, here is what I consider proof with about a 85% certainty.
That, to me is fairly convincing. Given that they've said they wish to use the sold out thing as part of their advertising, when I personally feel they should be apologizing, I'm convinced enough that it's deliberate. And on the outside chance it isn't, has anyone heard/seen them apologize? Apologize to all the people who preordered it with the guarantee they'd get it? IMO every 360 made should be going to preorders until they're all filled and THEN they should send their meager 15-20 consoles to various retailers.
Btw, DavidJr. thanks for the apology in that other thread if that's what it was. Interesting that ten minutes later, you're questioning the validity of my reasoning in another thread.
[EDIT]: I just reread that post of mine you quoted. I didn't make any reference in it to the shortage being deliberate. That was in the other thread. Did you come here just to continue that fight?
Last edited by Snaku; 11-07-2005 at 12:10 AM.
i concurOriginally Posted by Snaku
Originally Posted by hyakku
Its the Playstation side of things that keeps Sony going. More than half of the companies profits come from the Playstation division whilst most of their businesses continue to lose money. The PS2 had massive R & D costs but they invested in plants to manufacture the PS2 silicon themselves, so after a short period of time, hardware costs on the PS2 went shooting down. Microsoft with the Xbox on the other hand bought "off the shelf" parts, and they only assembled the console, that's why each Xbox costs them a pretty penny.
Next generation both companies are going in a similar direction and that direction is a bit of a mix between their two current situations. Microsoft and Sony got outside companies (well Sony co developed their CPU) to develop their silicon but they actually own the tech and can and will manufacture it themselves. This means that both companies will be able to force the price of their console down over time but the PS3 will most likley always remain more expensive than the 360 as it has more tech in it.
the ps3 will be 300 - 400 dollars at launch which is the same price as 360 but by the time the ps3 is released in america the price would already probably have dropped. i believe the tech part is true though.Originally Posted by brain_stew