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**Re_AnimAte** · 03-12-2007, 02:09 AM

Hey guys,

this idea is sort of based on GameMaker.nl
the idea is i want a basic psp game maker and ITs about time we got one!
as soon as a full version is made ANYONE can make a psp game

the game maker works like this....

you have the shell of a lua game with the folders
LUAgame1_% and LUAgame1 that you save in the GAME folder (or game150)
in the LUAgame1 folder there will be and eboot.pbp ,index.lua and a folder called data

in data will be all the gfx and sfx

this game maker is basicly combining visual aid with programming similar to the way gamemaker.nl does...

if you select add a sprite it will prompt you to add a picture, it then copies the pictures you selected and pastes it in a temporary data folder then the image that you loaded in generates the code

image:new("data/pic1.png")

to the begining of the program. it is then listed in the box next to it as a loaded image. after that you can add it to an object that will then be programmed into moving or doing an action of some sort.

the same goes for sounds and all

http://www.sendspace.com/file/h8qjx0

screenshot

the over all programming tab shows all the programming generated and is modifiable to debug the game...

we may also include encryption

the program will have a build in test and compile ready at just a mouse click.
the reason i chose to use lua is that fact that all your going to be making is 2d games most likly and on top of all that you can NOT test C compiled programs without a good emulator unlike lua where you can use luaplayer for windows to test it....

wot do u think?

it a idea in progress so i come here plus this will mean alot more homebrew will come out

**ItsaSpoon** · 03-12-2007, 03:43 AM

Nice idea. I am learning how to use PC Game maker in IT class

eldiablov · 03-12-2007, 04:41 AM

Game maker makes things too simple. It's not worth using if you want to go into games developing in the future.

**yaustar** · 03-12-2007, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldiablov

Game maker makes things too simple. It's not worth using if you want to go into games developing in the future.

BS. The people who use Game Maker like programs are game designers who don't know how to program. This allow games to be made with focus on the game rather then the engine with little need for a programming team.

Case in point:
http://www.juniper-games.com/smoozles/downloads.htm
http://www.quandaryland.com/jsp/disp....jsp?index=777

Made with Game Maker.

This from a designer of Broken Sword: http://www.steve-ince.co.uk/contact.htm

**SpiderJames** · 03-12-2007, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaustar

BS. The people who use Game Maker like programs are game designers who don't know how to program. This allow games to be made with focus on the game rather then the engine with little need for a programming team.

Case in point:
http://www.juniper-games.com/smoozles/downloads.htm
http://www.quandaryland.com/jsp/disp....jsp?index=777

Made with Game Maker.

This from a designer of Broken Sword: http://www.steve-ince.co.uk/contact.htm

your point?

eldiablov · 03-12-2007, 06:55 AM

wtf yaustar how did he make it into an application ? Can gamemaker do that ?
And btw i didnt realise you could use gamemaker to make good games.

**yaustar** · 03-12-2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiderJames

your point?

My point is that THIS point is BS (Bullsh!t).

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldiablov

Game maker makes things too simple. It's not worth using if you want to go into games developing in the future.

eldiablov: Yes, GameMaker can release the projects you do with it into a compiled exe.

eldiablov · 03-12-2007, 07:00 AM

wow i never knew that. I might think of trying it out.

**yaustar** · 03-12-2007, 07:05 AM

Some examples: http://www.gamemaker.nl/games_exe.html
-= Double Post =-
On topic, this GameMaker for Lua is going to be a lot harder then it seems. Not only do you have to create a fully expandable engine in Lua, you also have to deal with other GUI interface design issues. (Human-Computer interaction).

AngryStudent · 03-12-2007, 07:21 AM

Have any of you heard of this one thing, called "staying on topic"?

eldiablov · 03-12-2007, 07:28 AM

yeah and your not doing it, good luck with your gamemaker

**youresam** · 03-12-2007, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngryStudent

Have any of you heard of this one thing, called "staying on topic"?

Who are you again?

And I agree with yauster, its not gonna be as easy as you think. Besides, isn't this just a complete copy of gamemaker.nl? I think I feel a lawsuit coming on...

**AMTF** · 03-12-2007, 08:24 AM

I have a program on my PC called RPG Maker. Will this be anything like that? Will it be able to make better graphics then an average LUA coded game?

**yaustar** · 03-12-2007, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youresam

Who are you again?

And I agree with yauster, its not gonna be as easy as you think. Besides, isn't this just a complete copy of gamemaker.nl? I think I feel a lawsuit coming on...

Not worried about the lawsuit since there are lots of Game Maker like programs out there (Clickteam's products for example). The biggest problem is to create a Lua engine that is expandable and fast enough.

There will be other design issues such as behaviour of agents/sprite etc to consider.

CalusCoRPS · 03-12-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMTF

I have a program on my PC called RPG Maker. Will this be anything like that? Will it be able to make better graphics then an average LUA coded game?

AMTF, what is your definition of good graphics, because from what I can see, you can create a very nice looking 2D game and probally 3D with Lua.

**matriculated** · 03-12-2007, 10:11 AM

Wow, this made the front page...

**youresam** · 03-12-2007, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaustar

Not worried about the lawsuit since there are lots of Game Maker like programs out there (Clickteam's products for example). The biggest problem is to create a Lua engine that is expandable and fast enough.

There will be other design issues such as behaviour of agents/sprite etc to consider.

True, lua just keeps getting slower and slower every release, I dont think anyone remembers how fast .8 was. When I came out with BMR, it had horrible logic and techniques for drawing images, and even with this 100% CPU usage, the music played fine.
What I'm saying is I dont think its possible to build a working "gamemaker copycat" for use with lua unless you have some serious code in there, which I doubt you will be able to do. However, you could try some other versions of luaplayer, such as .11 (my favorate version because of speed/functions)
-= Double Post =-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Re_AnimAte

if you want we can (maybe) incorperate the lua encrypter to encrypt the .lua code you make so no one can take it

Put some base64 encryption in there too. I want to make sure no one can steal my code because I obviously work oh so hard on it.

**Blackbelttcon** · 03-12-2007, 11:43 AM

game maker is awsome i used it to make my locked program, yes i no LOCKED isnt the best thing in the world but still... game maker is the best

**Re_AnimAte** · 03-12-2007, 12:13 PM

guys ok, the game maker is similar to the official one but not the same. im going to make it differ but i cant/dont want to make it in visual basic and need someone who can code in other languages like java or VB.net etc to help me code it (im learning programming)...

**hallo007** · 03-12-2007, 12:14 PM

game makers stops the fun of programming

eldiablov · 03-12-2007, 12:29 PM

that's true but if you dont like coding then gamemaker is perfect. I personally like the problem solving but it can be frustrating at times. Im gonna give it a go.

**Blackbelttcon** · 03-12-2007, 12:37 PM

yea i only no i little programing in c++ so game maker helps me alot

**yaustar** · 03-12-2007, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallo007

game makers stops the fun of programming

That's because some people are game designers that these apps exist.

**madsoul** · 03-12-2007, 12:53 PM

i cant program for **** so this would be nice.

btw, anyone want to make a game with me...? :P

**funnybutrandom** · 03-12-2007, 01:17 PM

what happened to the game you were gonna make lol, you might want to stick to ne task, and make them easy, you dont seam to know what your doing

**madsoul** · 03-12-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnybutrandom

what happened to the game you were gonna make lol, you might want to stick to ne task, and make them easy, you dont seam to know what your doing

you mean zappy heaven? lol. i was making it with some friends before but we stopped. now im looking for a new project.

Badboy20689 · 03-12-2007, 01:26 PM

hey need of a graphic designer msg me.

**funnybutrandom** · 03-12-2007, 01:45 PM

not you madsoul, i was talking to re-anime

imhotep · 03-12-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallo007

game makers stops the fun of programming

true, true.
if you want to write this "compiler" i'd suggest with all the knowledge of LUA and C++ or similar you could easily write an excellent LUA tutorial so everbody understands that. would save you the C bit and endless hours and hours of debugging the GUI and error handling, processing etc..
i say this is as useful as chasing your shadow.

**Anti-QuickJay** · 03-12-2007, 05:42 PM

I don't think this is such a good idea...
That's just my opinion.

03-12-2007, 02:09 AM	#1
Re_AnimAte Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 150 Trader Feedback: 0	PSP Game Maker updated Hey guys, this idea is sort of based on GameMaker.nl the idea is i want a basic psp game maker and ITs about time we got one! as soon as a full version is made ANYONE can make a psp game the game maker works like this.... you have the shell of a lua game with the folders LUAgame1_% and LUAgame1 that you save in the GAME folder (or game150) in the LUAgame1 folder there will be and eboot.pbp ,index.lua and a folder called data in data will be all the gfx and sfx this game maker is basicly combining visual aid with programming similar to the way gamemaker.nl does... if you select add a sprite it will prompt you to add a picture, it then copies the pictures you selected and pastes it in a temporary data folder then the image that you loaded in generates the code image:new("data/pic1.png") to the begining of the program. it is then listed in the box next to it as a loaded image. after that you can add it to an object that will then be programmed into moving or doing an action of some sort. the same goes for sounds and all http://www.sendspace.com/file/h8qjx0 screenshot the over all programming tab shows all the programming generated and is modifiable to debug the game... we may also include encryption the program will have a build in test and compile ready at just a mouse click. the reason i chose to use lua is that fact that all your going to be making is 2d games most likly and on top of all that you can NOT test C compiled programs without a good emulator unlike lua where you can use luaplayer for windows to test it.... wot do u think? it a idea in progress so i come here plus this will mean alot more homebrew will come out Last edited by Re_AnimAte; 03-13-2007 at 12:47 AM.. Reason: cuz i updated the thred

03-12-2007, 03:43 AM	#2
ItsaSpoon Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 987 Trader Feedback: 0	Nice idea. I am learning how to use PC Game maker in IT class __________________ [center][img]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1002/sigxu7.gif[/img][/center]

03-12-2007, 07:05 AM	#9
yaustar Developer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,317 Trader Feedback: 0	Some examples: http://www.gamemaker.nl/games_exe.html -= Double Post =- On topic, this GameMaker for Lua is going to be a lot harder then it seems. Not only do you have to create a fully expandable engine in Lua, you also have to deal with other GUI interface design issues. (Human-Computer interaction). __________________ [Blog] [Portfolio] [Homebrew Illuminati - Serious Homebrew Development Forums] [I want to make Homebrew FAQ] [How I broke into the Games Industry] [Programming Book List] [Programming Article List] Last edited by yaustar; 03-12-2007 at 07:16 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-12-2007, 04:41 AM	#3
eldiablov Banned for LIFE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London, England Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	Game maker makes things too simple. It's not worth using if you want to go into games developing in the future.

03-12-2007, 06:55 AM	#6
eldiablov Banned for LIFE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London, England Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	wtf yaustar how did he make it into an application ? Can gamemaker do that ? And btw i didnt realise you could use gamemaker to make good games.

03-12-2007, 07:00 AM	#8
eldiablov Banned for LIFE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London, England Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	wow i never knew that. I might think of trying it out.

03-12-2007, 07:21 AM	#10
AngryStudent Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 34 Trader Feedback: 0	Have any of you heard of this one thing, called "staying on topic"?

03-12-2007, 07:28 AM	#11
eldiablov Banned for LIFE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London, England Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	yeah and your not doing it, good luck with your gamemaker

03-12-2007, 08:24 AM	#13
AMTF Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Slough Posts: 73 Trader Feedback: 0	I have a program on my PC called RPG Maker. Will this be anything like that? Will it be able to make better graphics then an average LUA coded game?

03-12-2007, 10:11 AM	#16
matriculated Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 508 Trader Feedback: 0	Wow, this made the front page...

03-12-2007, 11:43 AM	#18
Blackbelttcon Warconn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 432 Trader Feedback: 0	game maker is awsome i used it to make my locked program, yes i no LOCKED isnt the best thing in the world but still... game maker is the best

03-12-2007, 12:13 PM	#19
Re_AnimAte Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 150 Trader Feedback: 0	guys ok, the game maker is similar to the official one but not the same. im going to make it differ but i cant/dont want to make it in visual basic and need someone who can code in other languages like java or VB.net etc to help me code it (im learning programming)...

03-12-2007, 12:14 PM	#20
hallo007 Heroes never die Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ........... Posts: 1,318 Trader Feedback: 0	game makers stops the fun of programming

03-12-2007, 12:29 PM	#21
eldiablov Banned for LIFE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London, England Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	that's true but if you dont like coding then gamemaker is perfect. I personally like the problem solving but it can be frustrating at times. Im gonna give it a go.

03-12-2007, 12:37 PM	#22
Blackbelttcon Warconn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 432 Trader Feedback: 0	yea i only no i little programing in c++ so game maker helps me alot

03-12-2007, 12:53 PM	#24
madsoul Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: stevens bumhole Posts: 10,308 Trader Feedback: 0	i cant program for **** so this would be nice. btw, anyone want to make a game with me...? :P

03-12-2007, 01:17 PM	#25
funnybutrandom Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 128 Trader Feedback: 0	what happened to the game you were gonna make lol, you might want to stick to ne task, and make them easy, you dont seam to know what your doing

03-12-2007, 01:26 PM	#27
Badboy20689 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	hey need of a graphic designer msg me.

03-12-2007, 01:45 PM	#28
funnybutrandom Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 128 Trader Feedback: 0	not you madsoul, i was talking to re-anime

03-12-2007, 05:42 PM	#30
Anti-QuickJay lol Join Date: Aug 2006 Real First Name: Robert Location: Whittier, CA Just Played: Madden 10 Posts: 5,791 Trader Feedback: 0	I don't think this is such a good idea... That's just my opinion.

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