3D Programming knowledge needed.

[c5cha7]

Hi QJ, been busy with exams and stuff lately
but lets get right to the point.
I'm trying/going to re-make an old game of mine
that didn't actually pass completion (*cough* chao *cough*).
Now i have many memory issues with my old script
and wanted to start a new so i'm planning on
creating a 3D game but basically i'm a little stuck...

I was wondering if i start coding this game in Lua
could i use 3DMax or Maya files with it?
Or would i have to turn to an alternative 3D Program
all together?

I could however code the game in C#, but i don't feel
like installing cygwin all over again on my new laptop
(i know, but the laptop is really for college)

Any help would be appreciated.
I have tried searching though it won't return
any matches? (unless i search under topic title only, though there's not a lot there)

[yaustar]

Originally Posted by c5cha7

I was wondering if i start coding this game in Lua
could i use 3DMax or Maya files with it?

Yes.

Or would i have to turn to an alternative 3D Program
all together?

No.

I could however code the game in C#

You can't use C# for the PSP (yet).

[c5cha7]

Originally Posted by yaustar

Yes.

No.


You can't use C# for the PSP (yet).

Thanks, its a simple yet effective answer
and i appreciate your help.

Also i see people quoting it as "C#"
though some could call it C++ so i got a little
bit confused and miss quoted it.

Again your help is much appreciated,
i'm sure this thread could influence others to jump
ahead on 3D Programming.

[youresam]

C# is a programming language created by Microsoft that uses the .NET framework, C++ is the next version of the C programming language that's been around for decades.

And nehe.gamedev.net has good 3D tutorials.

[c5cha7]

Originally Posted by youresam

C# is a programming language created by Microsoft that uses the .NET framework, C++ is the next version of the C programming language that's been around for decades.

And nehe.gamedev.net has good 3D tutorials.

If C++ is worth the time and effort and might
re-install cygwin. I'll favorite the site,
at the moment i'm just looking for a fast and easy solution.
(as i only have 4/6 weeks to code some of this)

Thanks for your help, i'll be sure to post my
results once i get to grips in which form of
programming i'm going to use.

[yaustar]

Originally Posted by c5cha7

at the moment i'm just looking for a fast and easy solution.
(as i only have 4/6 weeks to code some of this)

If you are looking for the fastest solution for a 3D game then Lua isn't the answer. Although the language is very quick to learn, the 3D part of Luaplayer doesn't readily support 3D file formats or lend itself to beginners. When I said "Yes" it is possible for Lua to read the formats, I didn't mean it was easy, just possible.

In that short a time frame, I would go C or C++ with the LTE 3D engine. Although if you don't know the C or C++ language very well or at all, then it be REALLY difficult to get anything substantial in that time frame.

[Bronx]

Learning a 3D API such as OpenGL or the GU, and C++ in 4-6 weeks is pretty much impossible. Like Yaustar said, try using C++ with the LTE engine.

[waywardson]

3d in lua sounds fun...anyone have any links to some tutorials?

[youresam]

Originally Posted by waywardson

3d in lua sounds fun...anyone have any links to some tutorials?

nehe.gamedev.net
-.-

[waywardson]

cool thanks

[zero-x]

Originally Posted by youresam

C# is a programming language created by Microsoft that uses the .NET framework

are you on drugs, since when has C# used .net?! thats why there are books on both C#, C++, C#.net, C.net, C++.net,VB.net etc... .NET is a windows only accesible library just like DirectX... you can even use it with JavaScript and compile Javascript applications that look and feel like they were programmed in C... C# was indeed made by microsoft, as an attempt to revolutionize the C language and make it even more efficient than C++
They names as they are seen by me:
C
C+1
C-Sharp
Anyway, it is theoreticaly possible to compile C# for the PSP, you just need teh_Toolchain for C#

C++ is the next version of the C programming language that's been around for decades.

er... right... kinda.. its the second version (but still the next and best IMO)

And nehe.gamedev.net has good 3D tutorials.

Thank you, I need these too XD

[youresam]

Originally Posted by zero-x

are you on drugs, since when has C# used .net?! thats why there are books on both C#, C++, C#.net, C.net, C++.net,VB.net etc... .NET is a windows only accesible library just like DirectX... you can even use it with JavaScript and compile Javascript applications that look and feel like they were programmed in C... C# was indeed made by microsoft, as an attempt to revolutionize the C language and make it even more efficient than C++
They names as they are seen by me:
C
C+1
C-Sharp
Anyway, it is theoreticaly possible to compile C# for the PSP, you just need teh_Toolchain for C#

I didn't know that.. I just have Visual Studio 2003, which the C# console programs require .NET framework to be installed, all I know.

Originally Posted by zero-x

er... right... kinda.. its the second version (but still the next and best IMO)

kinda?

[MiG]

Originally Posted by zero-x

are you on drugs, since when has C# used .net?! thats why there are books on both C#, C++, C#.net, C.net, C++.net,VB.net etc... .NET is a windows only accesible library just like DirectX... you can even use it with JavaScript and compile Javascript applications that look and feel like they were programmed in C... C# was indeed made by microsoft, as an attempt to revolutionize the C language and make it even more efficient than C++
They names as they are seen by me:
C
C+1
C-Sharp
Anyway, it is theoreticaly possible to compile C# for the PSP, you just need teh_Toolchain for C#

er... right... kinda.. its the second version (but still the next and best IMO)

Thank you, I need these too XD

I'm gonna be crazy, and say that don't C# Apps need the .Net framework to run ? i thought C# was basically C and .Net, as there is a lot of nice things to play with in C#, most from .Net.

[adrahil]

Originally Posted by MiG

I'm gonna be crazy, and say that don't C# Apps need the .Net framework to run ? i thought C# was basically C and .Net, as there is a lot of nice things to play with in C#, most from .Net.

C = C.
C++ = C & OOP
C# = Microsoft Java
Punkt. These three are not "next versions" of each other. They're different languages, with different philosophies.

[MiG]

Originally Posted by adrahil

C = C.
C++ = C & OOP
C# = Microsoft Java
Punkt. These three are not "next versions" of each other. They're different languages, with different philosophies.

I'm Pretty sure that any C# App needs the .Net framework to run...

From the Microsoft Site:

C# is a simple, type-safe, object oriented, general-purpose programming language. Visual C# provides code-focused developers with powerful tools and language support to build rich, connected web and client applications on the .NET Framework.

As you said... "Punkt".

[Raphael]

Nope. Microsofts implementation of C# uses the .NET Framework a lot, but the standardized C# doesn't depend on .NET. Also, there are implementations of .NET similar libraries that can be used with other C# compilers, namely DotGNU and Mono.

[Bronx]

To go with what raphael said, .NET can be used with a lot of languages as well (Javascript, VB, C++, Boo, Python, ect..). C# is pretty much the language that pioneered .NET though.

[youresam]

Originally Posted by adrahil

C = C.
C++ = C & OOP
C# = Microsoft Java
Punkt. These three are not "next versions" of each other. They're different languages, with different philosophies.

I disagree, I believe C++ is the next version of C.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Earlier, during the research period, the developing language had been referred to as "new C", then "C with Classes". In computer science C++ is still referred to as a superstructure of C. The final name stems from C's "++" operator

[Bronx]

I can't wait for C++0x

[Archaemic]

The "next version" of C is C99. It's what's generally known as C today. Last decade, C was C89, but C99 has a lot of improvements. C++ came out a long time before C99. And yeah, C++0x is the next version of C++.

[pspballer07]

C++, C, and C# all use the same sytax so they are in the same group or family when it comes to programming languages.

[Archaemic]

No, they use different syntaxes, especially C#. Yes, they're all C-style syntaxes, but for that matter, so are Java, Java-/Action-/ECMAScript, PHP, and, to an extent, Perl.

[yaustar]

Originally Posted by pspballer07

C++, C, and C# all use the same sytax so they are in the same group or family when it comes to programming languages.

All 3 have similar but different syntax. For example:
C++:

struct Blah
{
    int foo;
};

// Create an instance
Blah aInstance;

C:

struct Blah
{
    int foo;
};

// Create an instance
struct Blah aInstance;

This is why C code in C++ has to use or be wrapped:

extern "C"

In C#, anything that is not a base type is by default, passed by reference rather then by value. In C++, you have to explicitly declare that you are passing by reference and all code must be in a class.

I consider them to be 3 distinct different programming families each with their own use.

[c5cha7]

Uh.. *cough* What the hell guys!? *cough*.
2 Page's worth of C#/C++ Babble.

You kicked my thread in the nuts while
i was sleeping. (nice one..)

P.S
Okay got my Maya Models ready, i'm
going to try and export them to lua now.
Thanks for the help.

[pspballer07]

They all have the same grammar and puctuation. That's what I mean't