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**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:25 PM

...that I had a "secret message" or "secret code" all worked out that would be perfect for chatting privately. Or at least making onlookers take a nice amount of time to decode. Since my coding skills are nowhere near .. even being able to be called skills, I've decided to just post up my "secret message" decoder. I have to say, its really quite complicated, if I do say so myself. Even with this decoder at hand, it WILL take a WHILE to code/decode a full message. a friend of mine at school and i used this, but DAMN, it took too long to decipher. it was way too time-consuming, but the teacher never knew what the messages said when she caught us! :mrgreen:

Heres the Coder/Decoder (I'll explain it out a bit more with examples a little later):
_________________________ _________________________ ___

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
(flip alphabet over, this is first grade stuff..for now)
Z Y X W V U T S R Q P O N M L K J I H G F E D C B A

(are you familiar with a phone, you should be. its not EXACTLY like a phone, but thats where this idea came from)

__1______2_____3
__abc___def___ghi

__4______5_____6------------>nevermind the bars
__jkL____mno___pqr---------->the page wont show correctly without them

__7______8_____9
_stu____vwx____yz

(its not over yet! familiar with the domino pieces? thats where i got THIS idea from)

011111111
001111111
000111111
000011111
000001111
000000111
000000011
000000001
000000000

(if your confused, dont worry, i will explain .. a little later. after a test :mrgreen: )
_________________________ _________________________ ____

all right now, with the deciperer right up there, can you decode this?

Message:
0000000013
0000111113
0000011111
0000000112
0001111113
0000000002
0001111111
0001111112

Hint: All that is ONE word!
Good Luck!

**El Diablo** · 03-13-2006, 02:28 PM

um... the word is....god damn i give up man how is that 8 lines suposed to be one word? i dont get it but i owuld like to learn it so i say u tell us how to lol

**will1234** · 03-13-2006, 02:29 PM

wtf

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:31 PM

:mrgreen:
complicated isnt it?
:mrgreen:

i'll give it ten more minutes or so, then i'll give out the word and how i got it.
but until then...

:mrgreen:

**El Diablo** · 03-13-2006, 02:32 PM

=( i'll give it 10 bucks that no one gets this stuff

**Realn0whereman** · 03-13-2006, 02:32 PM

i get it but its too much work, at least i think i do

**Soulphalanx** · 03-13-2006, 02:35 PM

each line is a letter

ANSWER IS: "congrats"

now give me $10, somewhatnoob, i could really use it :mrgreen:

**El Diablo** · 03-13-2006, 02:36 PM

well no crap each line is a lette but how the hell do u figure out the letter?

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

each line is a letter

ANSWER IS: "congrats"

now give me $10, somewhatnoob, i could really use it

DING!
you got it!

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:40 PM

Soulphalanx, just curious.
what do you think of it?
you solved it pretty quick..
well, at least compared the other two people here
CONGRATS! :mrgreen:

**El Diablo** · 03-13-2006, 02:41 PM

he could of just pmed you ooohh you have no proof u did it urself no 10 bucks for u =) im gonna need it to get my 1.5 =( my friend wouldnt trade so im gonna try to trade my 2.6 and cash a gamestop for a 2.0 or 1.5

**Soulphalanx** · 03-13-2006, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EminentJonFrost

Soulphalanx, just curious.
what do you think of it?
you solved it pretty quick..
well, at least compared the other two people here
CONGRATS! :mrgreen:

nice encryption, but if you could encrypt and decrypt easier and faster, it'd be better

Quote:

Originally Posted by somewhatnoob

he could of just pmed you ooohh you have no proof u did it urself no 10 bucks for u =) im gonna need it to get my 1.5 =( my friend wouldnt trade so im gonna try to trade my 2.6 and cash a gamestop for a 2.0 or 1.5

now why would he do that?

you want me to explain it to you?

**Realn0whereman** · 03-13-2006, 02:44 PM

/me cries

you guys are ass holes

this seems so easy im embarrased

im not formilar with dominos ><

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

nice encryption, but if you could encrypt and decrypt easier and faster, it'd be better

yes, i agree, it would be better if it werent for its time-consumption.
thats why i WANTED to make a little chat app that uses this coding method, but does it automatically. but ..i'm no coder

...yet! :mrgreen:

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

/me cries

you guys are ass holes

this seems so easy im embarrased

it isnt easy...
thats why i'm surprised by Soulphalanx' speed.
took me half an hour of total boredom and silence with all the objects in front me in a no-talking-whatsoever class room to get this together. (did you follow all that?)

**Soulphalanx** · 03-13-2006, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by realn0whereman

/me cries

you guys are ass holes

this seems so easy im embarrased

im not formilar with dominos ><

its not really dominos, its just however many zeros is that number, and the ending number is which letter

example:

0000111113

4 zeros and a 3 at the end, so its the 3rd letter of 4, which is "L"
and find the reverse of it on the alphabet, which is "O"

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

its not really dominos, its just however many zeros is that number, and the ending number is which letter

example:

0000111113

4 zeros and a 3 at the end, so its the 3rd letter of 4, which is "L"
and find the reverse of it on the alphabet, which is "O"

Precisely
As promised, i'll explain it.

Give me a moment...

**Soulphalanx** · 03-13-2006, 02:52 PM

# of zeros = the number on the phone
the last # is which letter of the number on the phone
take that letter and match it with the corresponding reverse letter on the alphabet

**El Diablo** · 03-13-2006, 02:53 PM

ohhh i think i get it now....so ....ok i tget it..... lol....but i would need a rverse alphabet infront of me lol other wise i couldnt do itand do the ones do?

**Soulphalanx** · 03-13-2006, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somewhatnoob

ohhh i think i get it now....so ....ok i tget it..... lol....but i would need a rverse alphabet infront of me lol other wise i couldnt do itand do the ones do?

well, you dont necessarily need it in front of you, its just a lot faster

**Mast3r_Shak3** · 03-13-2006, 02:57 PM

So... youre going to code an app to code and decode these messages? That would be sweet

**FrozenIpaq** · 03-13-2006, 03:01 PM

How to find the encryption technique:

I didn't even use the domino's idea when I decrypted the message myself.

I figured this out by doing some common sense I guess you could call it.

I examined the ending numbers of the code first. These numbers ranged from 1 to 3. I assumed that the number before the last number of a line was insignificant because it was always 1 or 0. When you look at the phone diagram, you notice that there are three letters per key, thus giving you the last numbers.

The hardest part was finding out what the 0's and 1's were about. Upon examinig everything I found that the 1's did not represent number quanities as it would be too great. There was one letter in the code that did not use a 1, thus making me to assume that it is not a necessary part of the code, thus a common placeholder to throw off the decrypter.

The last bit was the 0's. I counted them and they ranged from 3 to 9, and since the maximum ammount given was 9, I assumed that the range had to end at 9, and looking at the given data, the phone's number keys end with a 9 in the diagram.

So, you have the last numbers showing up as the letter on a key, and the number of zeros on the line as the key number (raning from 1-9 on a phone). Then, I asked myself..why did he include the alphabet in the other direction? So, I took the letter I got, applied it to the alphabet to see if the first two lines would start with some word, and it did: "CO", so then you apply the rest and you get a result!

**Soulphalanx** · 03-13-2006, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulphalanx

# of zeros = the number on the phone
the last # is which letter of the number on the phone
take that letter and match it with the corresponding reverse letter on the alphabet

:mrgreen: hehe beat you to it

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 03:09 PM

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
(flip alphabet over, this is first grade stuff..for now)
Z Y X W V U T S R Q P O N M L K J I H G F E D C B A

(are you familiar with a phone, you should be. its not EXACTLY like a phone, but thats where this idea came from)

__1______2_____3
__abc___def___ghi

__4______5_____6------------>nevermind the bars
__jkL____mno___pqr---------->the page wont show correctly without them

__7______8_____9
_stu____vwx____yz

(its not over yet! familiar with the domino pieces? thats where i got THIS idea from)

011111111
001111111
000111111
000011111
000001111
000000111
000000011
000000001
000000000
_________________________ _________________________ __________

ok! explanation time!

The letters at the very top of the decoder are the letters you want to use for your message.

lets say your message is "Hi", for time reasons, i'm using a short example. ok now, the letters "H" and "I" are now turned into "S" and "R".

so far, so good, but its been simple until now so pay attention.

the numbers dictate which of the 9 # sets you will use to represent EACH letter of your message. ok?

so... let me show how it would go:

HI
||
vv
SR

__1______2_____3
__abc___def___ghi

__4______5_____6
__jkL____mno___pqR----->see where the letters are?

__7______8_____9
_stu____vwx____yz

all right, now the numbers that the letters are associated with (the letters are in Bold) are what say how many "0"s there are gonna be

in the case of the # 6, you take 6 zeros
000000
and finish off the 9 # set with "1"s, so you get
000000111--->9 digits!

but wait! the final code has 10 numbers!
that tenth number represents which LETTER of the number in the "phone formation" is used.

since "R" is the letter used, it would be the 3rd letter of that number. (going from left to right). so you "3" to your 9 # set, and there you go! you have coded ONE LETTER!

the final code for "Hi" should look like this:
0000001113-->H
0000000111-->i

get it now?

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 03:15 PM

good job FrozenIpaq and Soulphalanx!!

man...this shouldnt have been able to be solved using common sense alone. i worked my brain out of my head to make it hard to scramble...

**FrozenIpaq** · 03-13-2006, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EminentJonFrost

good job FrozenIpaq and Soulphalanx!!

man...this shouldnt have been able to be solved using common sense alone. i worked my brain out of my head to make it hard to scramble...

\

If you did not provide the structure/build of the "code", then I would have never gotten it by myself

**EminentJonFrost** · 03-13-2006, 03:26 PM

Quote:

\

If you did not provide the structure/build of the "code", then I would have never gotten it by myself

*weakly*yea...
but still...
:sad:
so...
anyone interested in making a more secure ( :icon_wink ) instant messaging client can use this. (well, its not like i can stop anyone now, its on the net..)
cheers! i hope this thread, at least, was found to be interesting. in truth, i can see this site growing even more in popularity if more threads like this were made more frequently. (not that i'm saying anything in my favor..:P)

03-13-2006, 02:25 PM	#1
EminentJonFrost Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here Posts: 2,715 Trader Feedback: 0	I stated earlier before in another thread... ...that I had a "secret message" or "secret code" all worked out that would be perfect for chatting privately. Or at least making onlookers take a nice amount of time to decode. Since my coding skills are nowhere near .. even being able to be called skills, I've decided to just post up my "secret message" decoder. I have to say, its really quite complicated, if I do say so myself. Even with this decoder at hand, it WILL take a WHILE to code/decode a full message. a friend of mine at school and i used this, but DAMN, it took too long to decipher. it was way too time-consuming, but the teacher never knew what the messages said when she caught us! :mrgreen: Heres the Coder/Decoder (I'll explain it out a bit more with examples a little later): _________________________ _________________________ ___ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z (flip alphabet over, this is first grade stuff..for now) Z Y X W V U T S R Q P O N M L K J I H G F E D C B A (are you familiar with a phone, you should be. its not EXACTLY like a phone, but thats where this idea came from) __1______2_____3 __abc___def___ghi __4______5_____6------------>nevermind the bars __jkL____mno___pqr---------->the page wont show correctly without them __7______8_____9 _stu____vwx____yz (its not over yet! familiar with the domino pieces? thats where i got THIS idea from) 011111111 001111111 000111111 000011111 000001111 000000111 000000011 000000001 000000000 (if your confused, dont worry, i will explain .. a little later. after a test :mrgreen: ) _________________________ _________________________ ____ all right now, with the deciperer right up there, can you decode this? Message: 0000000013 0000111113 0000011111 0000000112 0001111113 0000000002 0001111111 0001111112 Hint: All that is ONE word! Good Luck! __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6985/siglw8.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

03-13-2006, 02:28 PM	#2
El Diablo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 3,625 Trader Feedback: 0	um... the word is....god damn i give up man how is that 8 lines suposed to be one word? i dont get it but i owuld like to learn it so i say u tell us how to lol __________________ Veteran [CENTER][COLOR="Green"][FONT="Fixedsys"] PSN Name[/FONT][/COLOR]: Eldiabl1o[/CENTER] [center][QUOTE=gmansixfo]Since I have to reset my psp whenever i get out of an emulator. Can this damage my psp.[/QUOTE][/center]

03-13-2006, 02:31 PM	#4
EminentJonFrost Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here Posts: 2,715 Trader Feedback: 0	:mrgreen: complicated isnt it? :mrgreen: i'll give it ten more minutes or so, then i'll give out the word and how i got it. but until then... :mrgreen: __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6985/siglw8.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

03-13-2006, 02:32 PM	#5
El Diablo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 3,625 Trader Feedback: 0	=( i'll give it 10 bucks that no one gets this stuff __________________ Veteran [CENTER][COLOR="Green"][FONT="Fixedsys"] PSN Name[/FONT][/COLOR]: Eldiabl1o[/CENTER] [center][QUOTE=gmansixfo]Since I have to reset my psp whenever i get out of an emulator. Can this damage my psp.[/QUOTE][/center]

03-13-2006, 02:32 PM	#6
Realn0whereman Mindless Self Indulgence Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: afk Posts: 7,212 Trader Feedback: 0	i get it but its too much work, at least i think i do __________________ PSN:realn0whereman NEW MSI ALBUM APRIL 29TH: IF orgasm

03-13-2006, 02:29 PM	#3
will1234 Join Date: Oct 2005 Real First Name: Will Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 844 Trader Feedback: 0	wtf

03-13-2006, 02:35 PM	#7
Soulphalanx Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TROY Posts: 2,989 Trader Feedback: 0	each line is a letter ANSWER IS: "congrats" now give me $10, somewhatnoob, i could really use it :mrgreen: __________________ [IMG]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3852/untitled1copy7rf.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9711/newavatarjb9.gif[/IMG] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=9733][COLOR=DarkRed]Operation Positive Posting[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=49762][COLOR=Red]Guide to All Guides[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=13798][COLOR=Blue]Posting Guidelines[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=4394][COLOR=Green]Piracy Policy[/COLOR][/URL] [SIZE="3"][URL=http://forums.qj.net/f-general-psp-help-22/t-guide-opening-psp-disassembly-assembly-video-104303.html][COLOR=Red][B][U]PSP Disassembly Assembly Video Tutorial[/U][/B][/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE]

03-13-2006, 02:36 PM	#8
El Diablo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 3,625 Trader Feedback: 0	well no crap each line is a lette but how the hell do u figure out the letter? __________________ Veteran [CENTER][COLOR="Green"][FONT="Fixedsys"] PSN Name[/FONT][/COLOR]: Eldiabl1o[/CENTER] [center][QUOTE=gmansixfo]Since I have to reset my psp whenever i get out of an emulator. Can this damage my psp.[/QUOTE][/center]

03-13-2006, 02:40 PM	#10
EminentJonFrost Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here Posts: 2,715 Trader Feedback: 0	Soulphalanx, just curious. what do you think of it? you solved it pretty quick.. well, at least compared the other two people here CONGRATS! :mrgreen: __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6985/siglw8.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

03-13-2006, 02:41 PM	#11
El Diablo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 3,625 Trader Feedback: 0	he could of just pmed you ooohh you have no proof u did it urself no 10 bucks for u =) im gonna need it to get my 1.5 =( my friend wouldnt trade so im gonna try to trade my 2.6 and cash a gamestop for a 2.0 or 1.5 __________________ Veteran [CENTER][COLOR="Green"][FONT="Fixedsys"] PSN Name[/FONT][/COLOR]: Eldiabl1o[/CENTER] [center][QUOTE=gmansixfo]Since I have to reset my psp whenever i get out of an emulator. Can this damage my psp.[/QUOTE][/center]

03-13-2006, 02:44 PM	#13
Realn0whereman Mindless Self Indulgence Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: afk Posts: 7,212 Trader Feedback: 0	/me cries you guys are ass holes this seems so easy im embarrased im not formilar with dominos >< __________________ PSN:realn0whereman NEW MSI ALBUM APRIL 29TH: IF orgasm

03-13-2006, 02:52 PM	#18
Soulphalanx Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TROY Posts: 2,989 Trader Feedback: 0	# of zeros = the number on the phone the last # is which letter of the number on the phone take that letter and match it with the corresponding reverse letter on the alphabet __________________ [IMG]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3852/untitled1copy7rf.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9711/newavatarjb9.gif[/IMG] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=9733][COLOR=DarkRed]Operation Positive Posting[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=49762][COLOR=Red]Guide to All Guides[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=13798][COLOR=Blue]Posting Guidelines[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=4394][COLOR=Green]Piracy Policy[/COLOR][/URL] [SIZE="3"][URL=http://forums.qj.net/f-general-psp-help-22/t-guide-opening-psp-disassembly-assembly-video-104303.html][COLOR=Red][B][U]PSP Disassembly Assembly Video Tutorial[/U][/B][/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE]

03-13-2006, 02:53 PM	#19
El Diablo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 3,625 Trader Feedback: 0	ohhh i think i get it now....so ....ok i tget it..... lol....but i would need a rverse alphabet infront of me lol other wise i couldnt do itand do the ones do? __________________ Veteran [CENTER][COLOR="Green"][FONT="Fixedsys"] PSN Name[/FONT][/COLOR]: Eldiabl1o[/CENTER] [center][QUOTE=gmansixfo]Since I have to reset my psp whenever i get out of an emulator. Can this damage my psp.[/QUOTE][/center]

03-13-2006, 02:57 PM	#21
Mast3r_Shak3 Is in your zone. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 3,429 Trader Feedback: 0	So... youre going to code an app to code and decode these messages? That would be sweet __________________ --XBL Gamertag: PhenoM904--

03-13-2006, 03:01 PM	#22
FrozenIpaq Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,986 Trader Feedback: 0	How to find the encryption technique: I didn't even use the domino's idea when I decrypted the message myself. I figured this out by doing some common sense I guess you could call it. I examined the ending numbers of the code first. These numbers ranged from 1 to 3. I assumed that the number before the last number of a line was insignificant because it was always 1 or 0. When you look at the phone diagram, you notice that there are three letters per key, thus giving you the last numbers. The hardest part was finding out what the 0's and 1's were about. Upon examinig everything I found that the 1's did not represent number quanities as it would be too great. There was one letter in the code that did not use a 1, thus making me to assume that it is not a necessary part of the code, thus a common placeholder to throw off the decrypter. The last bit was the 0's. I counted them and they ranged from 3 to 9, and since the maximum ammount given was 9, I assumed that the range had to end at 9, and looking at the given data, the phone's number keys end with a 9 in the diagram. So, you have the last numbers showing up as the letter on a key, and the number of zeros on the line as the key number (raning from 1-9 on a phone). Then, I asked myself..why did he include the alphabet in the other direction? So, I took the letter I got, applied it to the alphabet to see if the first two lines would start with some word, and it did: "CO", so then you apply the rest and you get a result!

03-13-2006, 03:09 PM	#24
EminentJonFrost Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here Posts: 2,715 Trader Feedback: 0	A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z (flip alphabet over, this is first grade stuff..for now) Z Y X W V U T S R Q P O N M L K J I H G F E D C B A (are you familiar with a phone, you should be. its not EXACTLY like a phone, but thats where this idea came from) __1______2_____3 __abc___def___ghi __4______5_____6------------>nevermind the bars __jkL____mno___pqr---------->the page wont show correctly without them __7______8_____9 _stu____vwx____yz (its not over yet! familiar with the domino pieces? thats where i got THIS idea from) 011111111 001111111 000111111 000011111 000001111 000000111 000000011 000000001 000000000 _________________________ _________________________ __________ ok! explanation time! The letters at the very top of the decoder are the letters you want to use for your message. lets say your message is "Hi", for time reasons, i'm using a short example. ok now, the letters "H" and "I" are now turned into "S" and "R". so far, so good, but its been simple until now so pay attention. the numbers dictate which of the 9 # sets you will use to represent EACH letter of your message. ok? so... let me show how it would go: HI \|\| vv SR __1______2_____3 __abc___def___ghi __4______5_____6 __jkL____mno___pqR----->see where the letters are? __7______8_____9 _stu____vwx____yz all right, now the numbers that the letters are associated with (the letters are in Bold) are what say how many "0"s there are gonna be in the case of the # 6, you take 6 zeros 000000 and finish off the 9 # set with "1"s, so you get 000000111--->9 digits! but wait! the final code has 10 numbers! that tenth number represents which LETTER of the number in the "phone formation" is used. since "R" is the letter used, it would be the 3rd letter of that number. (going from left to right). so you "3" to your 9 # set, and there you go! you have coded ONE LETTER! the final code for "Hi" should look like this: 0000001113-->H 0000000111-->i get it now? __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6985/siglw8.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

03-13-2006, 03:15 PM	#25
EminentJonFrost Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here Posts: 2,715 Trader Feedback: 0	good job FrozenIpaq and Soulphalanx!! man...this shouldnt have been able to be solved using common sense alone. i worked my brain out of my head to make it hard to scramble... __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6985/siglw8.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

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