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**FLai** · 04-08-2006, 04:33 PM

I really want to make a really good game. A commercial looking one. That is why i got into coding for the psp, to make games. I was just wondering what program language I should write it in? I am thinking of a Darkstalkers Chronicles type of game or an rpg like zelda. i didn't really want to write it in c because I am not enough of an expert in coding but if that was the language i should use then i would use it. i just want a language that is easy to use enough to use for someone a bit n00bish but is capabale of making an advanced game. thanx for any replies!

**lui2603** · 04-08-2006, 04:37 PM

Lua...

**legacyxero** · 04-08-2006, 04:37 PM

There is not alot of languages

C and LUA are pretty much the mayne for psp

**EminentJonFrost** · 04-08-2006, 04:37 PM

Code in Lua.

If i can at least get a small amount of understanding in it, then its a good simple choice. (and since you ruled out C)

Heres an excellent tutorial by PSPMillionaire to get started if you choose Lua:
http://www.evilmana.com/tutorials/

**legacyxero** · 04-08-2006, 04:38 PM

Great tutorial

**EminentJonFrost** · 04-08-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legacyxero

There is not alot of languages

C and LUA are pretty much the mayne for psp

whats a 'mayne'?

**NEvolution** · 04-08-2006, 04:42 PM

He means C and Lua are pretty much the main languages used for homebrew on the PSP.

**Spirit** · 04-08-2006, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLai

I really want to make a really good game. A commercial looking one. That is why i got into coding for the psp, to make games. I was just wondering what program language I should write it in? I am thinking of a Darkstalkers Chronicles type of game or an rpg like zelda. i didn't really want to write it in c because I am not enough of an expert in coding but if that was the language i should use then i would use it. i just want a language that is easy to use enough to use for someone a bit n00bish but is capabale of making an advanced game. thanx for any replies!

You want to make a commercial looking, advanced game, yet don't want to program in C? Sure, Lua is way easier than C, but for a professional game, your going to want to use C. (That or C++ I think are the language commercial PSP games are made on.) Lua's capabilities are limited, but it's still a pretty good language, though. If your just starting programming, check it out.

**Art** · 04-08-2006, 05:14 PM

Make a commercial looking game in LUA? ... easy, anyone seen Go Sudoku

I think that the "real" commercial games (the ones that are worth the money),
would be written in c with a significant amount inline assembler as well.

**youresam** · 04-08-2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

I think that the "real" commercial games (the ones that are worth the money),
would be written in c with a significant amount inline assembler as well.

You mean that most commercial games also use ASM?

BTW, GTA uses some lua. (But its compiled. However, opening it in notepad, you can see all the variables)

**SG57** · 04-08-2006, 06:59 PM

Werll.. I could have sworn MIPs and Assembly are the main languages that have been used to allow coding in C and LUA... Look at the SDK... Gotta give those smarty pants some creedit too ya know... Anyway, i dunno, depends on how advanced your talking... Like mp3/wma/aac playing or someother things LUA player cannot/doesnt have right now?

**youresam** · 04-08-2006, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG57

Werll.. I could have sworn MIPs and Assembly are the main languages that have been used to allow coding in C and LUA...

Um.. you mean MIPS assembly. Its one thing. And, no, C and assembly are 2 different things. The compiler compiles the C, but it doesn't compile it into assembly. And yeah, LUA is made in C.

**soccerPMN** · 04-08-2006, 07:03 PM

Since you want 'commercial strength' game writing, I think you'd need speed, and since LUA is scripting, meaning it is actively interpreted, I think it would be slower. So I'd have to say, go with C.

**soccerPMN** · 04-08-2006, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youresam

Um.. you mean MIPS assembly. Its one thing. And, no, C and assembly are 2 different things. The compiler compiles the C, but it doesn't compile it into assembly. And yeah, LUA is made in C.

Technically, some compilers might compile C into ASM, although I believe now most if not all mainstream ones compile straight through to machine code, which is pretty cool, too. :icon_wink

off the top of my head:
0000000100001001010101000 00

Would add without buffer overflow protection the values in registers 8 and 9 and put the result in 10, if I can remember correctly (probably not).

edit: sorry double post, didn't even remember!

**youresam** · 04-08-2006, 07:17 PM

Hey soccer, I saw someone say that you were the networking guy around here, is that...true? If it is, do you think you could help me out with patching ADHOC libraries to be ran in kernal mode?

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccerPMN

edit: sorry double post, didn't even remember!

I think its ok to double-post as long as its not something stupid your double-posting about.

**soccerPMN** · 04-08-2006, 07:22 PM

Well, I do know more than the average user about PSP networking

(thanks for the compliment) really all I know I learned from looking at the sources to Danzel's peldet. Also, he is a much better coder in general, so he could probably help more. I know nothing of ad hoc, and I'm not sure if Danzel does, but you could try contacting cwirsing on these forums, I believe he first got ad hoc in homebrew to work, or you could contact Fanjita and ask him who it was that figured out how to get the wifi libraries in user mode or something or other... Because that person was working on something with ad hoc. Sorry I can't help you more!

edit: Now I've thought about it, I'm not exactly sure why you'd want them to run in kernel, but anways... Couldn't you just take the libraries and make all threads in the kernel instead of usermode?

**mannymix03** · 04-08-2006, 07:24 PM

to make a commercial like game... it doesnt matter about what language... it matters about your skill level

**youresam** · 04-08-2006, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccerPMN

edit: Now I've thought about it, I'm not exactly sure why you'd want them to run in kernel, but anways... Couldn't you just take the libraries and make all threads in the kernel instead of usermode?

Well, Ahman know a lot about adhoc, and he told me all about why it cant be run in kernal mode directly.

The reason I want them to run in kernal is because I have had no luck with running the commands in a seperate usermode thread. I have gotten them to load in kernal mode (you have to in kernal), then I tried to run them in kernal. In LuaPlayer, all the commands returned -6. They did nothing. Again, when I tried usermode, my PSP just froze and shut off.

**soccerPMN** · 04-08-2006, 08:19 PM

Psh yea, Ahman is the man, he's like my hero for that sweet app of his! :P That sucks about getting the ad hoc to work correctly though.

**NEvolution** · 04-08-2006, 08:23 PM

Ahman is definitely the man. I even got an anti-shell friend to use iRShell.

**XteticX** · 04-08-2006, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEvolution

Ahman is definitely the man. I even got an anti-shell friend to use iRShell.

Yashamaru? :icon_razz

**NEvolution** · 04-08-2006, 09:35 PM

lol, he started using iRShell now?
naw, I got another friend to use it too.

**FLai** · 04-09-2006, 07:30 AM

its cool i am going to start off in lua. thanx!

04-08-2006, 04:33 PM	#1
FLai Mindless Fanboy Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,907 Trader Feedback: 0	i was wondering..... I really want to make a really good game. A commercial looking one. That is why i got into coding for the psp, to make games. I was just wondering what program language I should write it in? I am thinking of a Darkstalkers Chronicles type of game or an rpg like zelda. i didn't really want to write it in c because I am not enough of an expert in coding but if that was the language i should use then i would use it. i just want a language that is easy to use enough to use for someone a bit n00bish but is capabale of making an advanced game. thanx for any replies!

04-08-2006, 04:37 PM	#3
legacyxero Join Date: May 2005 Location: I live in a City that goes by the nickname:The Bubble. 'Nuff said. Posts: 1,766 Trader Feedback: 0	There is not alot of languages C and LUA are pretty much the mayne for psp __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/legacyxero/aug10sig2.png[/IMG][/CENTER]

04-08-2006, 04:37 PM	#4
EminentJonFrost Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Here Posts: 2,715 Trader Feedback: 0	Code in Lua. If i can at least get a small amount of understanding in it, then its a good simple choice. (and since you ruled out C) Heres an excellent tutorial by PSPMillionaire to get started if you choose Lua: http://www.evilmana.com/tutorials/ __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6985/siglw8.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

04-08-2006, 04:38 PM	#5
legacyxero Join Date: May 2005 Location: I live in a City that goes by the nickname:The Bubble. 'Nuff said. Posts: 1,766 Trader Feedback: 0	Great tutorial __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/legacyxero/aug10sig2.png[/IMG][/CENTER]

04-08-2006, 04:42 PM	#7
NEvolution Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where am I? Firmware Posts: 3,505 Trader Feedback: 0	He means C and Lua are pretty much the main languages used for homebrew on the PSP. __________________ [img]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9792/1qj7.png[/img] [SIZE="1"][B]\|Main Rig\|[/B] Asus P5K Deluxe [0404] Q6600 L738A999 G0 SLACR @ 3.6Ghz [400x9] 2x1GB Firestix DDR2-1000 ATI HD2900XT [MCW60] Seagate 7200.11 500 GB / 7200.10 320GB Creative X-FI Platinum Antec P182 [B]\|Cooling\|[/B] D-Tek FuZion [Quad - Nozzle] [B]\|[/B] MCW60 [B]\|[/B] MCR320 [B]\|[/B] EKRes150 [B]\|[/B] DDC-1T /w AlphaCool Top[/SIZE]

04-08-2006, 04:37 PM	#2
lui2603 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 224 Trader Feedback: 0	Lua...

04-08-2006, 05:14 PM	#9
Art Bush Programmer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,557 Trader Feedback: 0	Make a commercial looking game in LUA? ... easy, anyone seen Go Sudoku I think that the "real" commercial games (the ones that are worth the money), would be written in c with a significant amount inline assembler as well.

04-08-2006, 06:59 PM	#11
SG57 ...in a dream... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,957 Trader Feedback: 0	Werll.. I could have sworn MIPs and Assembly are the main languages that have been used to allow coding in C and LUA... Look at the SDK... Gotta give those smarty pants some creedit too ya know... Anyway, i dunno, depends on how advanced your talking... Like mp3/wma/aac playing or someother things LUA player cannot/doesnt have right now? __________________ ...you'll never know what it's like... spending your whole life in a dream... Launch a Kitten out of a Cannon and win real cash! Checkout my newly updated site for all my projects (Kitten Cannon, BOXHEAD, Light Cycle 3D)

04-08-2006, 07:03 PM	#13
soccerPMN Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,288 Trader Feedback: 0	Since you want 'commercial strength' game writing, I think you'd need speed, and since LUA is scripting, meaning it is actively interpreted, I think it would be slower. So I'd have to say, go with C.

04-08-2006, 07:22 PM	#16
soccerPMN Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,288 Trader Feedback: 0	Well, I do know more than the average user about PSP networking (thanks for the compliment) really all I know I learned from looking at the sources to Danzel's peldet. Also, he is a much better coder in general, so he could probably help more. I know nothing of ad hoc, and I'm not sure if Danzel does, but you could try contacting cwirsing on these forums, I believe he first got ad hoc in homebrew to work, or you could contact Fanjita and ask him who it was that figured out how to get the wifi libraries in user mode or something or other... Because that person was working on something with ad hoc. Sorry I can't help you more! edit: Now I've thought about it, I'm not exactly sure why you'd want them to run in kernel, but anways... Couldn't you just take the libraries and make all threads in the kernel instead of usermode? Last edited by soccerPMN; 04-08-2006 at 07:25 PM..

04-08-2006, 08:19 PM	#19
soccerPMN Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,288 Trader Feedback: 0	Psh yea, Ahman is the man, he's like my hero for that sweet app of his! :P That sucks about getting the ad hoc to work correctly though.

04-08-2006, 08:23 PM	#20
NEvolution Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where am I? Firmware Posts: 3,505 Trader Feedback: 0	Ahman is definitely the man. I even got an anti-shell friend to use iRShell. __________________ [img]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9792/1qj7.png[/img] [SIZE="1"][B]\|Main Rig\|[/B] Asus P5K Deluxe [0404] Q6600 L738A999 G0 SLACR @ 3.6Ghz [400x9] 2x1GB Firestix DDR2-1000 ATI HD2900XT [MCW60] Seagate 7200.11 500 GB / 7200.10 320GB Creative X-FI Platinum Antec P182 [B]\|Cooling\|[/B] D-Tek FuZion [Quad - Nozzle] [B]\|[/B] MCW60 [B]\|[/B] MCR320 [B]\|[/B] EKRes150 [B]\|[/B] DDC-1T /w AlphaCool Top[/SIZE]

04-08-2006, 09:35 PM	#22
NEvolution Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where am I? Firmware Posts: 3,505 Trader Feedback: 0	lol, he started using iRShell now? naw, I got another friend to use it too. __________________ [img]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9792/1qj7.png[/img] [SIZE="1"][B]\|Main Rig\|[/B] Asus P5K Deluxe [0404] Q6600 L738A999 G0 SLACR @ 3.6Ghz [400x9] 2x1GB Firestix DDR2-1000 ATI HD2900XT [MCW60] Seagate 7200.11 500 GB / 7200.10 320GB Creative X-FI Platinum Antec P182 [B]\|Cooling\|[/B] D-Tek FuZion [Quad - Nozzle] [B]\|[/B] MCW60 [B]\|[/B] MCR320 [B]\|[/B] EKRes150 [B]\|[/B] DDC-1T /w AlphaCool Top[/SIZE]

04-09-2006, 07:30 AM	#23
FLai Mindless Fanboy Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,907 Trader Feedback: 0	its cool i am going to start off in lua. thanx!

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