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**Art** · 11-25-2006, 05:08 PM

Why hasn't someone written an mp3 compatable codec that supports
insertion of song lyrics that appear at the right time? .. (for display on iPod, PSP, Winamp, etc)
Or am I giving away a million dollar idea?
Art.

**xsorifc28** · 11-25-2006, 05:11 PM

is that possible? thas like karaoke right?

xploren · 11-25-2006, 05:14 PM

That's a good idea... but it'd be really hard to do... I think. Do you mean like an MP3 player that displays song lyrics that are embedded into the MP3? I would like that.

**Art** · 11-25-2006, 05:14 PM

Yes, I think it would be possible to append a small file to the end of existing mp3s so players that don't support lyrics ignore it, and still play the mp3.
The problem is existing audio CDs won't have lyrics embedded, so someone would always have to do the lyrics manualy.

xploren · 11-25-2006, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

Yes, I think it would be possible to append a small file to the end of existing mp3s so players that don't support lyrics ignore it, and still play the mp3.
The problem is existing audio CDs won't have lyrics embedded, so someone would always have to do the lyrics manualy.

Yeah. It's like re-programming a 1.5-only game to be compatible with DevHook. So, I wonder whp can make it.

**the undead** · 11-25-2006, 05:53 PM

well how would u do that?....or u could make a seperate txt file named after the song and have the lyrics in that. then when the song plays it displays the txt

**The PANIC.** · 11-25-2006, 06:15 PM

Nice idea.
Tha'd be cool.

**Phantom_X** · 11-25-2006, 06:20 PM

You can watch lyrics on your iPod video while listening to a song. I made a guide on how to do it here.

**WraithLeader** · 11-25-2006, 06:45 PM

One of the leading factors is probably the issue of the customization that would be needed for each song (some belt out their lyrics fast like "One Week", while others are INCREDIBLY drawn out).

Another thing to be careful about is the fact that apparently song lyrics are technically covered by copyright protection (part of the reason why Wikipedia won't ever post the lyrics to a song in an article).

**Deturbanator** · 11-25-2006, 06:47 PM

i know of a file type, that if you put in amp3 player as the same name as the mp3, you can use mp3 player to veiw the lyrics..

i think file extention is .lyc

**Mister Chief** · 11-25-2006, 06:50 PM

*Steals idea*

JEMdev · 11-25-2006, 06:57 PM

hmmm.....

i definately want this.

**MaTiAz** · 11-25-2006, 07:00 PM

That wouldn't be impossible. Just make a new container format which holds the MP3 file (or whatever audio codec you want) and a subtitle file, which has the lyrics. I know subtitle's not the right word, but the format suits this purpose absolutely well.

**Art** · 11-25-2006, 08:41 PM

It's very possible... A bit of an undertaking for the PSP, since the sucker dev has
to write the backward compatable player, and the program to insert the text.

For the end user, inserting the text would be easier than one might think.
Imagine the standard mp3 plaing while you are looking at the text on the screen,
moving a cursor from word to word as the song plays, and then saving
that as the kind of replay you see in a game.

This isn't an announcement of any sort of new program I'm writing

,.. but I've thought about it for a few days.
I didn't know it existed (the Ipod video lyrics are probably in the video).
It would be nice to use the other existing format that was mentioned,
but I don't like the idea of a seperate file for every song.

**WraithLeader** · 11-25-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

It's very possible... A bit of an undertaking for the PSP, since the sucker dev has
to write the backward compatable player, and the program to insert the text.

For the end user, inserting the text would be easier than one might think.
Imagine the standard mp3 plaing while you are looking at the text on the screen,
moving a cursor from word to word as the song plays, and then saving
that as the kind of replay you see in a game.

No doubt this idea is possible. My biggest concern is as you have eloquently said, the amount of work these programs would require on the part of the end user.

So I think it is worth asking, what are you guys actually willing to put up with to get the lyrics synced up with the song? For example, would you be all right with having to sync the lyrics with the song manually (i.e. pressing a button every time a new word is sung) the first run through and never again? Or is it absolutely necessary that there is almost little effort on part of the end user to sync the lyrics.

I ask this for it ultimately determines how a developer may want to tackle this problem. The first one (where the user has to sync it the first time, but the program remembers forever) is very rudimentary, can even be done in Lua, and is not time consuming to devlop (even I could probably do this in a day

). However, if there is a strong need for that latter option of little to no effort on the part of the end user, the whole frame of attack to the problem changes; the program would have to be C/C++.

sahil927 · 11-26-2006, 08:36 AM

mp3's have id3 tags that are editible, for instance in itunes you can click get info on a song and there is a lyrics tab, the lyrics are stored in the mp3 just as the song data, and album art are...

**hallo007** · 11-26-2006, 11:19 AM

so you just makes a mp3player and a text eader in one , thats isnt difficult , isnt it???
or do you want it like a karaoke , there you need specifik songs for , and is hard do do

**JordanBlack68** · 11-26-2006, 12:28 PM

Thats what a call a million pound idea. That would be excellent, but arn't requests not allowed

**Art** · 11-26-2006, 12:38 PM

It's not a request

And if there is already support for lyrics in mp3s then I will definately look into a player.

**JordanBlack68** · 11-26-2006, 12:45 PM

Go for it Art, this is SOMETHING I would love on psp, ipods etc

**WraithLeader** · 11-26-2006, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallo007

so you just makes a mp3player and a text eader in one , thats isnt difficult , isnt it???
or do you want it like a karaoke , there you need specifik songs for , and is hard do do

Except you're oversimplifying it... No homebrew dev right now has messed with id3 tags on the PSP. Furthermore, the whole point of a homebrew like this would not be to just show the whole lyrics throughout the whole song but go line by line like in a karaoke machine. That would require a bit of precision and knowing at what time to express the line. This, however, is quite possible. Maybe if I have time this week I'll take a break from my current Lua project to work on something like this.

youresam · 11-26-2006, 02:20 PM

Hmm.... I know its been done for MODs, not sure about MP3s. The ID3 format allows you to add any kind of data entry, so if it hasnt already been done, it should be easy to add it. The only problem after that is actually creating synched lyrics...
-= Double Post =-

Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithLeader

Except you're oversimplifying it... No homebrew dev right now has messed with id3 tags on the PSP.

Err, wrong. Homer created an ID3lib, as well as someone else. And iPodMock uses ID3 tags

**tor** · 11-26-2006, 02:35 PM

I thought ipodmock was fake...

This sounds like a good idea though, wouldn't mind having something like this on my psp.

youresam · 11-26-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tor

I thought ipodmock was fake...

This sounds like a good idea though, wouldn't mind having something like this on my psp.

its as fake as fluff actually knowing how to code

and I was thinking about this a looong time when I made ipodmock, but didnt do any research on it yet

**Anti-QuickJay** · 11-26-2006, 03:28 PM

Hope soemones does this, Its ounds pretty cool!

11-25-2006, 05:08 PM	#1
Art Bush Programmer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,600 Trader Feedback: 0	Song Lyrics embedded into mp3s.. Why hasn't someone written an mp3 compatable codec that supports insertion of song lyrics that appear at the right time? .. (for display on iPod, PSP, Winamp, etc) Or am I giving away a million dollar idea? Art.

11-25-2006, 05:11 PM	#2
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the undead Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 6ft. Down Underground........Oh and guess what my avatar is Posts: 387 Trader Feedback: 0	well how would u do that?....or u could make a seperate txt file named after the song and have the lyrics in that. then when the song plays it displays the txt

11-25-2006, 06:45 PM	#9
WraithLeader Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 395 Trader Feedback: 0	One of the leading factors is probably the issue of the customization that would be needed for each song (some belt out their lyrics fast like "One Week", while others are INCREDIBLY drawn out). Another thing to be careful about is the fact that apparently song lyrics are technically covered by copyright protection (part of the reason why Wikipedia won't ever post the lyrics to a song in an article).

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11-25-2006, 06:57 PM	#12
JEMdev No longer a community member. Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 8 Trader Feedback: 0	hmmm..... i definately want this.

11-25-2006, 07:00 PM	#13
MaTiAz QJ Gamer Silver Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 752 Trader Feedback: 0	That wouldn't be impossible. Just make a new container format which holds the MP3 file (or whatever audio codec you want) and a subtitle file, which has the lyrics. I know subtitle's not the right word, but the format suits this purpose absolutely well. __________________ [center][B][SIZE="3"]wheeee =:D[/SIZE][/B][/center]

11-25-2006, 08:41 PM	#14
Art Bush Programmer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,600 Trader Feedback: 0	It's very possible... A bit of an undertaking for the PSP, since the sucker dev has to write the backward compatable player, and the program to insert the text. For the end user, inserting the text would be easier than one might think. Imagine the standard mp3 plaing while you are looking at the text on the screen, moving a cursor from word to word as the song plays, and then saving that as the kind of replay you see in a game. This isn't an announcement of any sort of new program I'm writing ,.. but I've thought about it for a few days. I didn't know it existed (the Ipod video lyrics are probably in the video). It would be nice to use the other existing format that was mentioned, but I don't like the idea of a seperate file for every song.

11-26-2006, 08:36 AM	#16
sahil927 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 21 Trader Feedback: 0	ehh mp3's have id3 tags that are editible, for instance in itunes you can click get info on a song and there is a lyrics tab, the lyrics are stored in the mp3 just as the song data, and album art are...

11-26-2006, 11:19 AM	#17
hallo007 Heroes never die Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ........... Posts: 1,323 Trader Feedback: 0	so you just makes a mp3player and a text eader in one , thats isnt difficult , isnt it??? or do you want it like a karaoke , there you need specifik songs for , and is hard do do

11-26-2006, 12:28 PM	#18
JordanBlack68 I'm No Hero Join Date: May 2006 Real First Name: Jordan Location: Scotland Just Played: Modern Warfare 2 Posts: 1,580 Trader Feedback: 0	Thats what a call a million pound idea. That would be excellent, but arn't requests not allowed

11-26-2006, 12:38 PM	#19
Art Bush Programmer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,600 Trader Feedback: 0	It's not a request And if there is already support for lyrics in mp3s then I will definately look into a player.

11-26-2006, 12:45 PM	#20
JordanBlack68 I'm No Hero Join Date: May 2006 Real First Name: Jordan Location: Scotland Just Played: Modern Warfare 2 Posts: 1,580 Trader Feedback: 0	Go for it Art, this is SOMETHING I would love on psp, ipods etc

11-26-2006, 02:35 PM	#23
tor Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 641 Trader Feedback: 0	I thought ipodmock was fake... This sounds like a good idea though, wouldn't mind having something like this on my psp.

11-26-2006, 03:28 PM	#25
Anti-QuickJay lol Join Date: Aug 2006 Real First Name: Robert Location: Whittier, CA Just Played: Madden 10 Posts: 5,791 Trader Feedback: 0	Hope soemones does this, Its ounds pretty cool!

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