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**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 08:23 AM

Does coding take too long?

UPDATE 12/7/7:
I have released an open beta of R2 for everyone to download and report back with their comments, get it here:
http://www.pspro.co.uk/forums/index.php?page=7

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NEWS:

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23:03 GMT 17/12/06- Official Website set up
08:46 GMT 18/12/06- Decision made, and website updated (with decision)
09:34 GMT 18/12/06- Added new concept art to site
19:54 GMT 18/12/06- Lot of coding today, added some screenshots but now I'm going to eat supper.
23:01 GMT 18/12/06- Final screenshot of DevBuild3, updated site- userbars!! Night all!
22:00 GMT 20/12/06- PRE-ALPHA RELEASED
22:21 GMT 02/01/07- Alpha build nearly ready! More stuff added to site
22:23 GMT 03/01/07- Alpha build released: pspro.co.uk/LuaDevKit v0.1 ALPHA.rar
10:14 GMT 04/01/07- Alpha build 2 done (Adds menu with useful links which open in the default browser )
11:53 GMT 04/01/07- Domain www.luadevkit.com bought
13:00 GMT 04/01/07- Domain propagation finished (for me at least)
13:18 GMT 04/01/07- Alpha build 3 done (Adds rename option in tree)
13:30 GMT 04/01/07- Alpha build 4 done (Sorts out the issue with the luaplayer files having to be in C:/LDK- they now have to be in the applications home directory)
13:37 GMT 04/01/07- Alpha build 5 done (Renames cut-action, copy-action, paste-action, select-all to Cut,Copy,Paste and Select All respectively)
14:27 GMT 04/01/07- Official documentation up, not finished (www.luadevkit.com/documentation)
19:02 GMT 04/01/07- Alpha build 6 done (Preview can be run on any script)
22:30 GMT 04/01/07- Pre-Beta (Alpha build 7) done (adds controls list and rough debugging, however the end user cannot see the debugging stuff itself ATM)
09:28 GMT 05/01/07- Pre-Beta (Alpha build 8) done (fixed some spelling errors)
10:14 GMT 05/01/07- Pre-Beta (Alpha build 9) done (makes preview run 'process tied', mening you can only close it by using the 'break' command in a script, or the escape button, this means that the process actually ends and frees up system resources- a few bug fixes)
11:03 GMT 05/01/07- Beta (Alpha build 10...Beta build 1) done (Captures the debugging information and prints it into the text box, amongst a few other fixes such as when you hit preview it saves the file, so you are testing you most up to date version etc...)

13:00 GMT 05/01/07- Beta 1 RELEASED- get it from www.luadevkit.com/downloads
13:00 GMT 09/07/07- Thread re-opened, work has been going on LuaDevKit for the last five days now, fantastic progress has been made!

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Anyway, please leave comments and thoughts here.

Alex

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UPDATE 12/7/7:
I have released an open beta of R2 for everyone to download and report back with their comments, get it here:
http://www.pspro.co.uk/forums/index.php?page=7

**Moose** · 12-17-2006, 08:24 AM

VERY, if I could make games easily but with a challenge then I would use it....

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 08:27 AM

yeah, thats rougly what it would achieve

**Moose** · 12-17-2006, 08:28 AM

MAKE IT BOY! MAKE IT!

**Bronx** · 12-17-2006, 08:28 AM

You mean kinda like game maker?

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 08:29 AM

yeah a bit, but also very different, especially in the beginning stages

**the unique warrior** · 12-17-2006, 08:41 AM

not a bad idea..... but you have to know some C or at least some JAVA ...
and I would love to have this in Java so it can be used over Mac 2 :P

**Siouxsie** · 12-17-2006, 08:43 AM

Saying you'd like something in Java because it works on Macs is like saying you like anal sex because it works on both genders. Keke?

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 08:50 AM

it will be in java cos im doing a java course and so am not bad at it ATM
@sio he does like anal sex

**Siouxsie** · 12-17-2006, 08:52 AM

To be fair, so do I ^_^

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 09:13 AM

lol!

Although I don't love java- its nice cos its all OS compatible and I want the linuxites to have fun
-= Double Post =-
OK, looked into it a bit, and i reckon I can get a lot of the code set up, it could do quite a lot of the app, preview would be possible too using the luaplayerwindows thing- want me to give it a shot?

**Moose** · 12-17-2006, 09:15 AM

Yes!

**Bronx** · 12-17-2006, 09:20 AM

You know, you might want to consider SDL with C/C++. There's as many available Java graphic API's, but SDL is a cross-platform, and it 2D specific for games (pretty much). So you may have better luck using SDL just because of the simplicity.

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 09:22 AM

moose, i need more intrest than one person- I'm gonna turn this into a WIP thread, and, provided I get enough intrest (you can help spread the word) I'll make it, and let u beta test, ok?
Bronx, I know java already, I'm not learning anything else...

**covandy01** · 12-17-2006, 09:54 AM

DO it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

xploren · 12-17-2006, 10:01 AM

I would LOVE this... it makes programming a bit easier. Of course, I'm not going to use it, since everybody treats me like crap, so I'll just give it to my dev team.

...

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 10:12 AM

Well, if all goes well it'll make it quite a lot easier

**youresam** · 12-17-2006, 10:21 AM

I think someone already tried something something like this, but it was useless as hell.
I would like to see buttons at the top for stuff that takes a while to type, like insert 'screen.waitVblankStart(' or maybe to include libs automatically.

A 3D collision engine would be a nice inclusion

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 10:29 AM

Well, the first idea is almost exactly what I was planning, although it'd be menu based cos there's so many commands.

however it would also perform some common tasks- such as listing the files int he current directory etc...

Sorry, but 3D is the one thing in lua I know very little about, meaning at least in the beginning there will be very little abt 3d in the app.

**yaustar** · 12-17-2006, 10:30 AM

For me, not very. I would kill for a decent runtime debugger though.

xploren: If you keep acting like that, they still will. Change your attitude.

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 10:32 AM

i agree with head_asus abt that explorey...

Also, the idea of this will vary for experienced and new coders- expericenced one would use it more as a text editor, with preview, that allows them to write code faster, and a new user would use it more to help them code.
I will also code in all the libs (netlib, sslib, wavlib etc...) and possibly that keyboard input thing.

**yaustar** · 12-17-2006, 10:40 AM

The thing is that text editors are pretty plentiful. It be worth looking at features in the text editor that make you think, "I wish there was X".

For example, highlight the line where a variable is first defined.

A drop down box for functions that the user has defined/created in the current file. Once you click on the file, it will jump to that position in the editor.

A basic parser that highlights sections of code that may produce odd behaviour. Eg

Code:

if blah = blah then
-- djsfsdjhf
end

A code formatter that automatically corrects the indents/line breaks to a standard format (eg AStyle).

I can think of a few more things but as said before I real would kill for a decent runtime debugger.

**zmathue** · 12-17-2006, 10:43 AM

it looks like a cool project
I will beta for you if i want
i have 2.7se-c
running win 2000 and xp
have luaplayer already installed

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 10:46 AM

@head- yeah, but the idea aint for it to be a text editor, for example, one thing it'll do is have a list of all lua commands. Then it'll have all the libs etc...

@zmathue- k PM me and i'll see, I'm still not sure if I am going to do this yet- as youresam said, one's been attempted already, and it was a flop- it would have been too hard, thats the issue, if I don't get a good response from this then it won't be worth it to me.

**yaustar** · 12-17-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex G

@head- yeah, but the idea aint for it to be a text editor, for example, one thing it'll do is have a list of all lua commands. Then it'll have all the libs etc...

Quote:

Also, the idea of this will vary for experienced and new coders- expericenced one would use it more as a text editor, with preview, that allows them to write code faster, and a new user would use it more to help them code.

You are writing a tool for users, if the tool doesn't have features the users want, then writing the tool will be a waste of time.

As a side note, code completion will be a fantastic feature.

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 11:17 AM

well, about the users, it will be a text editor, but if there are other, better ones and people use them then thats cool, colouring of words etc... will come, just later

by code completion do you mean closing the tags etc...

**youresam** · 12-17-2006, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by head_54us

xploren: If you keep acting like that, they still will. Change your attitude.

Nah, its cool how imature he's acting when he was supposed to be 'publically humiliating me'

Anyway, so far, all your ideas are pretty general. Lots of text editors have syntax highlighting. I even know of a lua text editor that literally helps you out with your code, giving you syntax error help in realtime, and shtuff like that.

**yaustar** · 12-17-2006, 11:36 AM

I know but you get the general idea. One of the biggest problems I have with Lua is that it can be a ***** to debug at times, anything that helps that is fantastic.

Code completion is when you type part of a variable or function name, you can get a list of the variables or functions that have similar names.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocompletion

Side note: Is LuaEdit what you are referring to? http://luaedit.luaforge.net/

**Glynnder** · 12-17-2006, 12:06 PM

well, even notepad++ has syntax colouring etc...
The main feature is the list of the lua commands. and stuff such as 'add a menu' and *bing* the code for a menu will appear, along with a pop up asking for number of options etc...

Savagefreak · 12-17-2006, 12:11 PM

If you would make this,

I WOULD F'N LOVE YA'!!1!1!!!1one!1!
PLEASE make it

good luck!

12-17-2006, 08:28 AM	#5
Bronx sceKernelExitGame(); Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 3,125 Trader Feedback: 0	You mean kinda like game maker? __________________ ~Bronx Development~ ~Widget Monkey Games~

12-17-2006, 08:41 AM	#7
the unique warrior The Unique Developer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,059 Trader Feedback: 0	not a bad idea..... but you have to know some C or at least some JAVA ... and I would love to have this in Java so it can be used over Mac 2 :P __________________ Malloc.Us Network Administrator Decryption of the Encrypted You are the unseen, the unstoppable and in power of your code. The God of your software.

12-17-2006, 09:20 AM	#13
Bronx sceKernelExitGame(); Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 3,125 Trader Feedback: 0	You know, you might want to consider SDL with C/C++. There's as many available Java graphic API's, but SDL is a cross-platform, and it 2D specific for games (pretty much). So you may have better luck using SDL just because of the simplicity. __________________ ~Bronx Development~ ~Widget Monkey Games~

12-17-2006, 10:21 AM	#18
youresam total-Z Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: texas Posts: 2,803 Trader Feedback: 0	I think someone already tried something something like this, but it was useless as hell. I would like to see buttons at the top for stuff that takes a while to type, like insert 'screen.waitVblankStart(' or maybe to include libs automatically. A 3D collision engine would be a nice inclusion __________________ 牧来栠摩琠敨映汩獥 PSN: youresam From Earth the Frozen Ipaqs shall rise and be silenced and all will live free. --Mike Hollingsworth

12-17-2006, 10:40 AM	#22
yaustar Developer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,317 Trader Feedback: 0	The thing is that text editors are pretty plentiful. It be worth looking at features in the text editor that make you think, "I wish there was X". For example, highlight the line where a variable is first defined. A drop down box for functions that the user has defined/created in the current file. Once you click on the file, it will jump to that position in the editor. A basic parser that highlights sections of code that may produce odd behaviour. Eg Code: if blah = blah then -- djsfsdjhf end A code formatter that automatically corrects the indents/line breaks to a standard format (eg AStyle). I can think of a few more things but as said before I real would kill for a decent runtime debugger.

12-17-2006, 08:24 AM	#2
Moose Enter Custom Title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: National Front Disco Posts: 13,063 Trader Feedback: 0	VERY, if I could make games easily but with a challenge then I would use it....

12-17-2006, 08:43 AM	#8
Siouxsie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: York, UK. Posts: 4,224 Trader Feedback: 0	Saying you'd like something in Java because it works on Macs is like saying you like anal sex because it works on both genders. Keke?

12-17-2006, 08:52 AM	#10
Siouxsie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: York, UK. Posts: 4,224 Trader Feedback: 0	To be fair, so do I ^_^

12-17-2006, 09:15 AM	#12
Moose Enter Custom Title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: National Front Disco Posts: 13,063 Trader Feedback: 0	Yes!

12-17-2006, 09:54 AM	#15
covandy01 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 305 Trader Feedback: 0	DO it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12-17-2006, 10:01 AM	#16
xploren No longer a community member. Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	I would LOVE this... it makes programming a bit easier. Of course, I'm not going to use it, since everybody treats me like crap, so I'll just give it to my dev team. *...*

12-17-2006, 10:30 AM	#20
yaustar Developer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,317 Trader Feedback: 0	For me, not very. I would kill for a decent runtime debugger though. xploren: If you keep acting like that, they still will. Change your attitude.

12-17-2006, 10:43 AM	#23
zmathue Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NoWhere . . . . Posts: 1,266 Trader Feedback: 0	it looks like a cool project I will beta for you if i want i have 2.7se-c running win 2000 and xp have luaplayer already installed

12-17-2006, 11:36 AM	#28
yaustar Developer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,317 Trader Feedback: 0	I know but you get the general idea. One of the biggest problems I have with Lua is that it can be a ***** to debug at times, anything that helps that is fantastic. Code completion is when you type part of a variable or function name, you can get a list of the variables or functions that have similar names. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocompletion Side note: Is LuaEdit what you are referring to? http://luaedit.luaforge.net/

12-17-2006, 12:11 PM	#30
Savagefreak No longer a community member. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nederland Posts: 3 Trader Feedback: 0	If you would make this, I WOULD F'N LOVE YA'!!1!1!!!1one!1! PLEASE make it good luck!

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