Alright its christmas break, im gonna start out in c or c++, but which one?

[TacticalPenguin]

Well its christmas break now and ive got 2 weeks to so a whole lot of nothin. Ive learned a good bit of lua, and im going to continue with it, but Id like to at least get a start in a more capable language AKA C/C++. And now im having some troubles deciding which. From what ive gathered so far it seems there is more support for C but C++ has more capabilities and i know someone who knows C++ and Lua who could maybe help me out getting into C++. Anyways, Id like some of your opinions. If you say ZOMG C SUCKS C++ FTW or ZOMG C++ SUCKS C FTW please back it up and explain things. I really want to make the right decision. Thanks!

[SuperBatXS]

Lol, i thought you didn't want me to go to C???? Lol......I asked you if i should go to C, but you said stay on Lua. But i might do the same by going to C and staying in Lua. I recommend going to C, not C++ cause C++ is more advanced (i learned a but C this summer but i stuck to lua).

[Urza]

Once you learn C it will be much easier for you to move into C++ at a later date.

[TacticalPenguin]

Super-Thats because you havent really made a lot in lua yet, nothin against you though, the way you were talkin about it it seemed like youd drop lua of the earth.

Urza - Ok, ill take that into consideration.

[SuperBatXS]

Originally Posted by TacticalPenguin

Super-Thats because you havent really made a lot in lua yet, nothin against you though, the way you were talkin about it it seemed like youd drop lua of the earth.

Urza - Ok, ill take that into consideration.

Thanks for the hope i guess.....???

[Moosecakes]

C++ is a more advanced version of C so it's a bit more complicated. I took C++ for a semester my freshman year in HS. It was soooo ****ing boring you have no idea. I got tired of it beause of how simple the stuff he had us coding. Wheel of fortune etc etc, It was dumb. But I'm starting to learn more now that I came into PSP coding. I would start with C and then C++ so you know both.

[TacticalPenguin]

Alright, thanks.
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Alright it seems so far ill be going with C, i also got 2 people recomending it in IMs. Anybody got something to give me some last thoughts?

[Anti-QuickJay]

I suggest C, Thats what im doing and it seems to be easier to learn and makes it a better transition to C++

[SG57]

'Be Thou for the People... what a load that is...'

I hope you realize anything you gain from this thread is nothing but opinions and stereotypes. Some find it easier than others when using C as a language, while others get fed up with compiler errors on a missing ';' at the end of each line. Everyone has different thresholds, and honestly, if you stick it out to the end and learn as you go, youll find your self in a secure state of C syntax knowledge youll find later-life C programming tobe but a mere recap of the 'good old days' (or so i believe...)

But in all honesty, although its an opinion, unless you have a very good reason why to use C over LUA, than its not worth it PSP-dev'ing wise. Being PSPless, ive now realized the power LUA has, and how sooooooooo many dont even tap into its full potential... Some like Shine and yoursam (iffy) are ones I find to have done this to an extent. Now what with LUA having GU functionality, there isnt any real reason to switch languages just for the sake of a feature in a game/app. Rotation is now easily achievable via textured quad, as is '3D' to put it lightly...

~ concludes massive opinion

[mannymix03]

uhm, unless you work really really hard you aren't going to learn C or C++ in a 2 week span, yeah you will learn alot, but to REALLY program, it takes a little longer then that. I'm not discouraging you, i'm just saying have realistic expectations and dont give up because you didn't reach them. I crammed a whole C++ class into one semester and i still know very little of the language, also i did some studying up on it on the side to advance faster, still i am a small dev at best

[TacticalPenguin]

I never said Im ditching lua, in fact since i know as much lua as i do i probably will use lua over c for QUITE a while. I started at and learned the basics of the GU stuff, i learned how to use most of the system commands, i know how to do everything major in lua i know of except meta tables. I just want to get started on C or C++ for when i HAVE reached lua's limit and need to move on, and since ive got 2 weeks to do nothin, why not now? And I realize im just getting opinions, but im also seeing which language is more common and supported.
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Mannymix; Yes, I realize that, i know i wont get anywhere NEAR where i am in lua, but I just want to get started so when i have more time i can continue, and when i need to use C to do something i dont have to stop dead and start at a new language.

[mannymix03]

Originally Posted by TacticalPenguin

I never said Im ditching lua, in fact since i know as much lua as i do i probably will use lua over c for QUITE a while. I started at and learned the basics of the GU stuff, i learned how to use most of the system commands, i know how to do everything major in lua i know of except meta tables. I just want to get started on C or C++ for when i HAVE reached lua's limit and need to move on, and since ive got 2 weeks to do nothin, why not now? And I realize im just getting opinions, but im also seeing which language is more common and supported.

In what i have seen, i tend to sway more to C++ then C, people say that if you learn C then C++ is easier, well it is a little bit, but i think its still about the same as just starting at C++

IMHO go with C++

[coolguy5678]

Aren't metatables the closest thing Lua has to classes? In my opinion, start with C, C++ is object-orientated and it might be a bit confusing to learn both object-orientation and C/C++'s low-levelledness at the same time. Start with C then move to C++, IMO.

[Crushader]

I would say C++

[yaustar]

Honestly? It doesn't matter. They are both syntactally the same. Just choose one and learn it. The early stages of both languages are pretty much the same. The only real difference is that C++ makes it easier to develop object orientated code and uses the Standard Template Library over the C Standard Library.

[jsharrad]

Just learn both and chose for yourself which one you prefer to use

[Grimfate126]

i went from lua to C for 2 days, then went to C++. OOP is much easier than structs. once you learn more about classes, its even easier than lua arrays.


anyway, theyre both good. good luck.

[TacticalPenguin]

Alright, thanks! I just got done with the hello world tut, but ps2dev is still down so i cant get psptoolchain to compile it with....