Or err...I mean they did a better voice acting in CC than they did in AC. I know Seph's was the same but I wasn't sure about Zack.Zitat:
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Or err...I mean they did a better voice acting in CC than they did in AC. I know Seph's was the same but I wasn't sure about Zack.Zitat:
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it is the same actorZitat:
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My english UMD of CCFVII arrives this week, and I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it.
[QUOTE=Trigun]well isn't that the point? FF7 already has a fanbase of millions so why go out of your way to please people who aren't fans it already? and is there anything wrong with trying to please the fans? not at all. i love that they are trying to do that, not many companies do.
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I don't think you understand, the game isn't by any means half as good as the original FF7, it's just made to milk money out of the fanboys.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good game, but see in ten years if people talk about it like people today talk about FF7.
[QUOTE=CaptainGingerbeard][QUOTE=Trigun]well isn't that the point? FF7 already has a fanbase of millions so why go out of your way to please people who aren't fans it already? and is there anything wrong with trying to please the fans? not at all. i love that they are trying to do that, not many companies do.
well i might , it's not often that i actually start a game again RIGHT after i finish it. a game has to be super amazing for me to do that, i haven't done it since RE4 came out.Zitat:
I don't think you understand, the game isn't by any means half as good as the original FF7, it's just made to milk money out of the fanboys.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good game, but see in ten years if people talk about it like people today talk about FF7.
IMO the game is amazing enough even with it's flaws to have it's own legacy.
i wouldn't really consider it milking though, because milking is usually something negitive and lack of quality and while some have different standards than I do they see some things very differently. example, i love dirge of cerberus, sure it's not perfect but it's a really fun game with a great story and amazing music. so milking to me is like madden, and madden is probably one of the worst game series ever made
at least Square enix put in an effort to make this game as good as it is for being in development for 3 years.
Yeah I just beat it like 10 mins ago. lvl 36? 9999hp, no wall or barrier either. It was fairly easy. I thought it was going to take a while because i heard that Genesis had 600,000 hp but i beat it in like 5 or 10 minutes. I basically just vital striked, firaga'd, and dodged. I don't remember his final attack though. I was going to start a new game but androidkaita wants to play it so I'm going to let him borrow it. i really want to play it again. Maybe i'll just re-play FF7 in the mean time.Zitat:
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I just watched through the credits and saw the video of the begining of ffvii in the cool graphics. :)
what are u guys playing? normal mode? im doing hard more xD
Heh...damn..I'm about 23 hours in, 36% missions completed, level 49 and ~16,000 hp. Knowing this, I more than likely will beat Genesis with ease ahah.
Wow, same here. Level 51 with 44% missions completed... 23k HP with 156 ATK =DZitat:
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My atk's really low =[...working on that...but I got pretty good vitality to make up for it.Zitat:
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I just beat the game.
I thought it was average at best. Good story but I dunno, it's pretty boring, i felt I was playing it just to see the story through and not because I enjoyed the combat and levelling up my character.
But that's just me
I think i'll have to agree thought I did play this too much though, I was level 86 100% Mission completion with 71,000 HP and max everything but luck. Final boss was a joke, 5 hits I believe.Zitat:
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I got the soundtrack yesterday, 55 tracks of pure goodness :).
OOO i want the soundtrack
Well, I must say, I was very disappointed.
The game has no real difficulty to it.
Be honest with your self, if those characters existed, do you think the characters would of mentioned them later in FFVII?
A certain character, for spoiler reasons no names will be mentioned, totally messed up the entire Nilbiem reactor scene. >.<
FFVII answered the questions on Zack's death. If you had went mack to the Shinra mansion if D2 or D3, a scene would of come up showing Zack's death. The game answered it and this game was totally not needed. If anything, it has created inconsistencies in the FFVII world.
The gameplay was alright, could of been better.
The music was okay... Though some tracks seamed a little out of place.
The characters have created inconsistencies.
Umm what inconsistencies?
It did add some new information and characters but I thought the storyline was pretty solid.
It helped provide a background between Zack and Aeris that was only hinted at in FFVII. Provided a human face to Sephiroth before he went psycho, expanded on Cloud's feelings of inferiority,the reason for Cloud's admiration of Zack.
The whole Nibelheim incident was fun to play through Zack's perspective.
yeah, i actually thought the plot was pretty good. I'll admit that the new characters Angeal and Genesis were pretty weak but I dunno, i liked the storyline although it's been a while since i've played through FF7.
If anything, the story is the best thing about this game, it helps pull it out of the cesspool of mediocrity which is the rest of its features.
Google it, it's kind of on the large side though.Zitat:
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A certain mentor of Zack.
Reason: He was never mentioned in FFVII, Last Order or Advent Children. You'd think such an important character, and important experiment/winged guy, would of been mentioned at least once. He was well known and liked among solder members. He was not mentioned in previous, later time based, games. Cloud surely heard of him.
A certain main boss of Crisis Core in red clothes.
Reason: He was strong and was well known among solder operatives. Why he was not mentioned by Sephiroth or Cloud is something to say. He also interfered in the Nilbhiem scene where Sephiroth and Cloud/Zack had entered the Mako reactor. Why was he there? He shouldn't of, his appearance in that scene (in fact, it should of been the same as FFVII and FFVII Last Order) was inconsistent with the orginal game.
The attack by the clones on Shinra. This was not mentioned in FFVII or FFVII Last Order. You would of guessed such a large and damaging attack on Shinra would of been mentioned.
In FFVII, Cloud finds Zack already dead and walks away with his sword. In this version, he talks to Zack and Zack communicates with him. While this would look okay, Cloud was still heavily under the influence of the Mako sickness and should not of been able to respond as he did. It is shown in FFVII, that Tifa finds cloud outside the train station in a right mess. He looked well enough to walk at the end of Crisis Core, this creates inconsistencies with the state of Clouds health.
When he talked to Zack, he was aware and set out to carry his last words. Not steal his identity. In the original game (FFVII) he just took the sword and stumbled him self into Midgar.
Cloud had heard Zack on the truck and after listening to his words, developed some sort of mental health issue. When Zack died, this caused an trauma more to Cloud, which lead to him thinking he was Zack.
They are more but I think I've pointed out some of the main ones.
Oh yeah, that whole DumbApples thing? The place would of been mentioned. Surely someone noticed an entire village bombed? The name of that village was never mentioned.
Another inconsistency is a mail regarding Cid Highwind.
He trained as an astronaut for 2 years before take off? Pretty quick if you ask me. Also, the moss and rust on that rocket looks more than 2 years weather worn. It looked as if it was around 4-6 years, not 2 years.
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#1. Why would Angeal be mentioned? There's no point. Nobody outside of Sephiroth and people within Shinra know Angeal. And when Cloud and his buddies are talking to Sephiroth and the rest of the Shinra corporation, they are sure going to talk about a dead SOLIDER operative who they believed "betrayed" the company...right. I think they all have more important matters on their hands, like dealing (casting in Sephiroth's case) with a giant meteor.
#2. The same goes for Genesis, Genesis was one of the ultimate villains of Crisis Core, nobody is going to talk about him as "good". He was basically the reason why Sephiroth goes crazy. Again, nobody is going to talk about him when they have other things to worry about. There is slight inconsistency about the whole Nibelheim reactor scene, but you have to know, Cloud is restating it in FFVII, this is through Zack's point of view.
#3. Why would there be a mention of a Genesis clone attack? You're picking on things that aren't very relevant. It's obvious some of this stuff is made-up by the creators after Final Fantasy VII, just because it's not mentioned beforehand doesn't mean it's inconsistent. If anything, that's considered new material, which is why SE keeps on making spin-offs.
#4. You're right about the whole stealing identity thing, but to make the game more dramatic, I think it was the right move to have Cloud and Zack talk and Cloud did stumble to Midgar...(I'm still confused as to how he got his other outfit though, the one in FFVII was not a SOLDIER outfit, it was similar, but somewhat modified).
#5. Since Hollander, Genesis, and Angeal are all new characters and not mentioned in FFVII, Banora wouldn't be of any importance.
#6. From the way I look at space exploration in the world of FFVII, if you can fly a plane, you can fly a space craft.
Well, before meteor was cast. Also, in Crisis Core, it is shown that a lot of solider members didn't believe Shinra news and had doubts about it.Zitat:
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Sephiroth wasn't stupid. He knew how solider members are infused with Mako energy. He knew (fake mother's) name as Jenova. Seeing Jenova's name, old test subjects, knowing he was different and the reports in Shinra mansion is what drove him over the edge.Zitat:
#2. The same goes for Genesis, Genesis was one of the ultimate villains of Crisis Core, nobody is going to talk about him as "good". He was basically the reason why Sephiroth goes crazy. Again, nobody is going to talk about him when they have other things to worry about. There is slight inconsistency about the whole Nibelheim reactor scene, but you have to know, Cloud is restating it in FFVII, this is through Zack's point of view.
Remember, it wasn't till AFTER he read the Shinra Mansion reports that he went insane.
So a giant attack on Shinra, would not cause resistance movements to attack?Zitat:
#3. Why would there be a mention of a Genesis clone attack? You're picking on things that aren't very relevant. It's obvious some of this stuff is made-up by the creators after Final Fantasy VII, just because it's not mentioned beforehand doesn't mean it's inconsistent. If anything, that's considered new material, which is why SE keeps on making spin-offs.
He walked far better than the original version. He was a mess when Tifa found him. In this version, he appeared to be on the road to recovery.Zitat:
#4. You're right about the whole stealing identity thing, but to make the game more dramatic, I think it was the right move to have Cloud and Zack talk and Cloud did stumble to Midgar...(I'm still confused as to how he got his other outfit though, the one in FFVII was not a SOLDIER outfit, it was similar, but somewhat modified).
Avalanche had a lot say in FFVII. A lot of stuff was mentioned and a lot of stuff appears to of been ignored.Zitat:
#5. Since Hollander, Genesis, and Angeal are all new characters and not mentioned in FFVII, Banora wouldn't be of any importance.
You have a point on this but that doesn't affect the moss and decay of the space craft. No way that could amount to two years.Zitat:
#6. From the way I look at space exploration in the world of FFVII, if you can fly a plane, you can fly a space craft.
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Ahh, very nice point there. Yes, this is Zack's point of view but this doesn't.
A: Change the Shinra Mansion Escape scene > Death of Zack and status of Cloud.
B. The condition of the Shinra Rocket.
C. Sephiroth lost his mind after reading the reports.
D. An attack and the large scale of Genesis would of been mentioned.
I do stand corrected kind of with Angeal but a lot of solider members did have doubts with Shinra.
The attack by the Genesis clones was 7 years before the events of Final Fantasy VII, that's a long time, people probably forgot. All they had to do was restore the building.Zitat:
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Again, the case with Angeal and Genesis is the fact that they were characters made after Final Fantasy VII, there's no way to incorporate them into the actual game. Because obviously, they didn't exist.
Sephiroth probably did know (outside of the fact that he was an experiment), but if it wasn't for Genesis, I don't think Sephiroth would of turned sour so quickly.
Some of the points you bring up are very minor, remember, it's hard to put the puzzles together perfectly when the two games are a whole decade apart when it comes to development.
I don't think Crisis Core made any inconsistencies. I mean, do they really HAVE TO be mentioned in the original for it to be accurate? For one, I liked the fact that CC made references to the original by way of the exhibit. That was cool =].
You could also say that Shinra would be able to bury ANY and ALL information concerning the events in Crisis Core.
Shinra is the government, financial, and military power of the Final Fantasy VII. They could delete anything or anyone from history.
Did you see how quickly the Shinra building recovered from the attack by Genesis during the game? They could easily recover from such a small attack.
Cloud had just begun making his journey toward Midgar. It was still pretty far from where Zack died. Its conceivable he could have encountered some monsters on the way turning him into the wreck that Tifa found and further damaging his memories.
Then again, we're just over thinking this. :o
I thought it was 4?Zitat:
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Which is why they shouldn't exist.Zitat:
Again, the case with Angeal and Genesis is the fact that they were characters made after Final Fantasy VII, there's no way to incorporate them into the actual game. Because obviously, they didn't exist.
It was him reading the reports and seeing the monsters (JENOVA as well) that made him insane. Genesis made very little mention, no mention actually, about "Mother" and "You were born to rule this world."Zitat:
Sephiroth probably did know (outside of the fact that he was an experiment), but if it wasn't for Genesis, I don't think Sephiroth would of turned sour so quickly.
Yes and not to mention our version of FFVII wasn't 100% accurate on its translations.Zitat:
Some of the points you bring up are very minor, remember, it's hard to put the puzzles together perfectly when the two games are a whole decade apart when it comes to development.
A known example is Aerith > Aeris
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My mention was more to Avalanche and over groups attacking just after, or during, the clone invasion. Shinra was heavily weakened during the attack.Zitat:
Did you see how quickly the Shinra building recovered from the attack by Genesis during the game? They could easily recover from such a small attack.
Cloud's injuries healed fast. Doctors in the slums must be pretty good. :o I am more on about his mental state, not the physical.Zitat:
Cloud had just begun making his journey toward Midgar. It was still pretty far from where Zack died. Its conceivable he could have encountered some monsters on the way turning him into the wreck that Tifa found and further damaging his memories.
All games need to be criticized.:pZitat:
Then again, we're just over thinking this.
Dude.....you're talking about RUST on a spaceship???? ....woah... thats messed up man, taking it waaay to far lol picky much?Zitat:
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I don't think you're getting my point.Zitat:
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The fact is Crisis Core's initial events took place 7 years before the events of Final Fantasy VII. I thought it was 4-5 at first too, then I saw other stuff that told me otherwise.
Look at this. The game begins in 2000, the Nibelheim incident is in late 2002. They were in Shinra Manor for 4 years. It almost takes them an entire year to get near Midgar (since Nibelheim is on another continent), so it is approximately 7 years before the start of Final Fantasy VII.
If Genesis and Angeal weren't in the game, who would serve as Zack's mentor? Who is the first villain of the game? Does that mean Nero and Weiss should of never existed in Dirge Of Cerberus? All they're doing is making new characters, there's nothing wrong with that.
Genesis told Sephiroth that his mother really was Jenova, Sephiroth speculated, but wasn't sure. Because of this, he went into research, thus causing him to think that he deserves to be the planet's god or something.
Aerith was a translation error, the developers and guys like Nomura don't know enough English to do a perfect translation. That's not their fault.
According to the timeline (which looks very trustworthy), Zack died in September, Tifa finds Cloud in December, it was 3 months in between.
Hmm I was reading that timeline and found all lot of stuff that I didn't know about. Who are the "Old-avalanche" and how come there was no battle scene in CC for the fight at Icicle Inn agianst Avalanche. There was a clip of a scene during one of the DMW's where it showed Zack and Tseng paying their respects to Sebastien and yishay. Can anyone shed some light on this?
btw I haven't played Dirge or Cerebus but I'm pretty sure what i'm asking happens before the events of DOC unless there was a flashback or something.
translation error or not, i still like Aeris better than Aerith. when you say Aerith it just sounds plain and gray IMO
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no they don't, only some need to.Zitat:
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Nearlly through my US version now, so glad I can finally understand what the **** is going on!
I beat it in 4 days, i feel like i have no life. How do you get 4 slots for accesirories?
I wanna know about the accessory slot too.
4 accesory slots is a reward for doing some missions.. I don't remember which exactly, but I think it's in the 7-2-* ones...
Ah sweet, thank-you.
Old Avalanche was originally a Wutai organization formed after Wutai lost the war. And I don't know why they didn't include Icicle Inn, might be in the deleted scenes version of Crisis Core, which has been rumored.Zitat:
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what a terrible ending in this game. granted the ending carried the same great story and production value as the rest of the game but come on, what a horrible ending.
Ummm horrible as in bad for the plot/characters? Or just horrible in general? I thought it was a great ending...Zitat:
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cheetos probably doesn't realize the ending is canon.
Its supposed to end that way.
umm, well i can't go into detail on what i mean as it can end up being a spoiler for those who have yet to finish the game. don't get me wrong, when i say its a terrible ending, as stated the production value is there and all but ummm....
i don't like the way the story ends i guess is all i can say. its a good ending in the fact that the story is there, the cg is there and just about everything you could want from a games ending. but i don't like "how" it ends.
sorry if that confuses ya and anybody else but i don't want to say anything to leave a spoiler.
anubis, could you please send me a PM explaining what you mean. please ;)
Just use the spoiler tags.
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