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**Squidly1** · 08-07-2005, 12:39 PM

I found this guy on eBay selling PSP freeware. See his last sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PSP-Tic-Tac-Toe-...QQcmdZViewItem

His storefront (PSP section):
http://stores.ebay.com/MarzE-tronics...QQftidZ2QQtZkm

I warned the dealer and his last buyer about selling items that are freely available and asked the dealer if he had asked the permissions of the authors to profit from their hard work.

Games he's selling:
PacMan v?
PSPChess v0.8
Tetris (no pic)
PSP Solitaire
PSP Rick Dangerous
Bejeweled / Polygon
Tic Tac Toe
Dual Tetris
Snake

Devs, have you been solicited and given permission for anyone to profit from your work? If not - hows about we lodge a complaint against this dirtbag on eBay.

- Squidly1

**wookie** · 08-07-2005, 12:41 PM

This is old new.:wall:

**makarman** · 08-07-2005, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wookie

This is old new.:wall:

Yeah, this happens all the time.

But I think his excuse will be that he's selling instructions on how to set it up.

**Nekid** · 08-07-2005, 12:50 PM

That could be taken to ebay and if he doesn't stop and refund, that could be taken to court easily. That auction could be argued to be explicitly for the actual eboot.pbp

**Squidly1** · 08-07-2005, 12:52 PM

That may be what he's advertising, but one person gave him a neg and he told that person he's emailed the software to him. Kinda goes against what the ad says - and any wiggle room that he might have.

- Squidly1

**Junji-Hiroma** · 08-07-2005, 12:56 PM

He's even selling the tenchi no mon browser! Let's throw this guy in jail and throw away the key!

**Nekid** · 08-07-2005, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squidly1

That may be what he's advertising, but one person gave him a neg and he told that person he's emailed the software to him. Kinda goes against what the ad says - and any wiggle room that he might have.

- Squidly1

that is what i mean...he is actually sending the software. I fear though that only ebay will listen to the dev's...worth a shot though, especially since they could also be held liable for allowing this guy to trample copyrights like this.

**Nekid** · 08-07-2005, 01:06 PM

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidenc...hts-owner.html

**Nekid** · 08-07-2005, 01:07 PM

what would probably be the best is to get the admin to add this to the front page for any devs to see; i'm pretty damn sure that all the devs of these games would lynch this sob.

**Mjm69** · 08-07-2005, 01:15 PM

He could be using the same excuse that people give for selling MMORPG online currancy for real money..."You are buying my time and effort in earning these, everything you buy is still property of etc..." Selling the actual currancy will violate the end user agreement so I guess this is sort of a loop hole. Dunno if hes using the same excuse, but either way, its gay.

lockdown · 08-07-2005, 02:30 PM

Yo for someone to get back at this guy just make an ebay sale page in the same topic as his. What i mean is you can create a ebay action and when people go to click on it the page tells them "This is not a real say the information on this page is free and the links to the sites are free". On that page you can just link them right to this website or the form with instructions on how to get what that guys is selling for free.

Someone should really do this because that guy selling information that is already avaible to the public for no fee is not right.

socalledsin · 08-07-2005, 03:01 PM

pisses me off how people get away with stuff like this when i have made several attempts to auction my WOW and FFXI accounts and ebay always removes them. I even put up disclaimers! This guy has some balls.

**Squidly1** · 08-08-2005, 03:57 AM

Here's the reply I got from the jerk: "anyway, what is your problem. i did post that this only work with version 1.50. and anyway im just helping people that dont know anything about what psp can do, and they do like it--NO complain or such thing. ? email me."

He's hiding behind: eBay Member: mareszah_17 <member@ebay.com>

I've already put the word out to the devs (they should get on board shortly). I've also spoken to his latest purchaser (with plans to contact all of the ones he's sold to in the last couple of months). With some of the comments, pos and neg, there's little doubt he's selling the software.

- Squidly1

**Jay C** · 08-08-2005, 04:25 AM

So if you were to sell a 1.5 psp, is it safe to assume you couldn't leave your roms on the memory stick and sell them too?
I was lying awake last night wondering about that.

**Nekura** · 08-08-2005, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay C

So if you were to sell a 1.5 psp, is it safe to assume you couldn't leave your roms on the memory stick and sell them too?
I was lying awake last night wondering about that.

That would be okay as long as you were charging for the PSP and not the software. What's not okay is making a profit off of someone else's work.

Also - I've reported this guy to eBay and put him on my watch list. Any auction that comes up will also be reported.

Edit: If you want to report him, you can use the "Report" link on the bottom of either of these pages:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...g-no-item.html

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...unterfeit.html

**Squidly1** · 08-09-2005, 05:01 PM

My hope is that he'll take the hint, before he pisses someone off enough to get sued. But hey, having him sued is cool by me.

Oh, I posted the same information on PS2Dev and got only one response (really surprising since I thought I might catch the game devs there):

"Great work caped crusader.

And I wonder if the homebrew authors bothered to contact Midway or Atari about the use of trademarks."

- to which I privately replied (since the discussion has been locked before I could publically comment) -

I think you might have missed the totality of my argument. I’m assuming the “caped crusader” comment was not just put out there to enflame.

While I agree that those who have converted previously published games over to the PSP (from your mentioned Midway and Atari) shouldn't get a dime, I do dispute people who take programs that someone coded from scratch (which have never been marketed, developed or published by anyone else) and sell them without thinking about that coder (sharing profits). Or even asking permission to do so...

However, that doesn't stop me from buying a beer at the pub for the code converter - as a fellow coder that's still a good trick. The homebrewers I know of, so far, aren't asking for or making a dime. This eBay guy is.

While I've never had any of my code sold out from under me, I have had situations where my ideas were snagged up by another - who later was recognized for "thinking outside the box" and received compensation for the idea. This is the same situation.

I wanted to alert the devs to this situation in order to help them protect what they have worked on. After all, the average homebrewer doesn't have a trademark or copyright on his/her work to go after this guy with. However, Atari and Midway do - if they wanted to...

- Squidly1

08-09-2005, 05:33 PM

How do i contact this "dude" selling my tic tac toe with absolutely no permission from me?

**KINGOFNOOBS** · 08-09-2005, 05:34 PM

u should sue him and cash in from is dumb mistake.. :whistle:

**FrozenIpaq** · 08-09-2005, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerol33t

How do i contact this "dude" selling my tic tac toe with absolutely no permission from me?

Aerol33t the only way I can think of it is signing up with ebay, then go [Here] and click the contact button.

Can any EBAY users tell us his email or any way else of contacting him??

**deltahawk12** · 08-09-2005, 05:40 PM

Man im just finshing a app that might be good enough for the public and i dont want this scum bag to start selling it!

08-07-2005, 12:39 PM	#1
Squidly1 PREMIUM Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 20 Trader Feedback: 0	Dirtbag selling PSP homebrews!!! GET IM!! I found this guy on eBay selling PSP freeware. See his last sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/PSP-Tic-Tac-Toe-...QQcmdZViewItem His storefront (PSP section): http://stores.ebay.com/MarzE-tronics...QQftidZ2QQtZkm I warned the dealer and his last buyer about selling items that are freely available and asked the dealer if he had asked the permissions of the authors to profit from their hard work. Games he's selling: PacMan v? PSPChess v0.8 Tetris (no pic) PSP Solitaire PSP Rick Dangerous Bejeweled / Polygon Tic Tac Toe Dual Tetris Snake Devs, have you been solicited and given permission for anyone to profit from your work? If not - hows about we lodge a complaint against this dirtbag on eBay. - Squidly1

08-09-2005, 05:34 PM	#18
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08-07-2005, 12:41 PM	#2
wookie Join Date: May 2005 Location: look behind you :D Do you like pie: Yes Posts: 665 Trader Feedback: 0	This is old new.:wall:

08-07-2005, 12:50 PM	#4
Nekid Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CehNehDeh eh? Posts: 182 Trader Feedback: 0	That could be taken to ebay and if he doesn't stop and refund, that could be taken to court easily. That auction could be argued to be explicitly for the actual eboot.pbp

08-07-2005, 12:52 PM	#5
Squidly1 PREMIUM Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 20 Trader Feedback: 0	That may be what he's advertising, but one person gave him a neg and he told that person he's emailed the software to him. Kinda goes against what the ad says - and any wiggle room that he might have. - Squidly1

08-07-2005, 12:56 PM	#6
Junji-Hiroma Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 195 Trader Feedback: 0	He's even selling the tenchi no mon browser! Let's throw this guy in jail and throw away the key!

08-07-2005, 01:06 PM	#8
Nekid Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CehNehDeh eh? Posts: 182 Trader Feedback: 0	http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidenc...hts-owner.html

08-07-2005, 01:07 PM	#9
Nekid Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CehNehDeh eh? Posts: 182 Trader Feedback: 0	what would probably be the best is to get the admin to add this to the front page for any devs to see; i'm pretty damn sure that all the devs of these games would lynch this sob.

08-07-2005, 01:15 PM	#10
Mjm69 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Cypress, California Posts: 966 Trader Feedback: 0	He could be using the same excuse that people give for selling MMORPG online currancy for real money..."You are buying my time and effort in earning these, everything you buy is still property of etc..." Selling the actual currancy will violate the end user agreement so I guess this is sort of a loop hole. Dunno if hes using the same excuse, but either way, its gay.

08-07-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
lockdown Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 34 Trader Feedback: 0	Yo for someone to get back at this guy just make an ebay sale page in the same topic as his. What i mean is you can create a ebay action and when people go to click on it the page tells them "This is not a real say the information on this page is free and the links to the sites are free". On that page you can just link them right to this website or the form with instructions on how to get what that guys is selling for free. Someone should really do this because that guy selling information that is already avaible to the public for no fee is not right.

08-07-2005, 03:01 PM	#12
socalledsin Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hendersonville, TN, USA Posts: 40 Trader Feedback: 0	pisses me off how people get away with stuff like this when i have made several attempts to auction my WOW and FFXI accounts and ebay always removes them. I even put up disclaimers! This guy has some balls.

08-08-2005, 03:57 AM	#13
Squidly1 PREMIUM Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 20 Trader Feedback: 0	Here's the reply I got from the jerk: "anyway, what is your problem. i did post that this only work with version 1.50. and anyway im just helping people that dont know anything about what psp can do, and they do like it--NO complain or such thing. ? email me." He's hiding behind: eBay Member: mareszah_17 <member@ebay.com> I've already put the word out to the devs (they should get on board shortly). I've also spoken to his latest purchaser (with plans to contact all of the ones he's sold to in the last couple of months). With some of the comments, pos and neg, there's little doubt he's selling the software. - Squidly1

08-08-2005, 04:25 AM	#14
Jay C Urban Ninja Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: America. Making me better than you. And fatter. Posts: 1,878 Trader Feedback: 0	So if you were to sell a 1.5 psp, is it safe to assume you couldn't leave your roms on the memory stick and sell them too? I was lying awake last night wondering about that.

08-09-2005, 05:01 PM	#16
Squidly1 PREMIUM Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 20 Trader Feedback: 0	My hope is that he'll take the hint, before he pisses someone off enough to get sued. But hey, having him sued is cool by me. Oh, I posted the same information on PS2Dev and got only one response (really surprising since I thought I might catch the game devs there): "Great work caped crusader. And I wonder if the homebrew authors bothered to contact Midway or Atari about the use of trademarks." - to which I privately replied (since the discussion has been locked before I could publically comment) - I think you might have missed the totality of my argument. I’m assuming the “caped crusader” comment was not just put out there to enflame. While I agree that those who have converted previously published games over to the PSP (from your mentioned Midway and Atari) shouldn't get a dime, I do dispute people who take programs that someone coded from scratch (which have never been marketed, developed or published by anyone else) and sell them without thinking about that coder (sharing profits). Or even asking permission to do so... However, that doesn't stop me from buying a beer at the pub for the code converter - as a fellow coder that's still a good trick. The homebrewers I know of, so far, aren't asking for or making a dime. This eBay guy is. While I've never had any of my code sold out from under me, I have had situations where my ideas were snagged up by another - who later was recognized for "thinking outside the box" and received compensation for the idea. This is the same situation. I wanted to alert the devs to this situation in order to help them protect what they have worked on. After all, the average homebrewer doesn't have a trademark or copyright on his/her work to go after this guy with. However, Atari and Midway do - if they wanted to... - Squidly1

08-09-2005, 05:33 PM	#17
Aerol33t Guest Posts: n/a	How do i contact this "dude" selling my tic tac toe with absolutely no permission from me?

08-09-2005, 05:40 PM	#20
deltahawk12 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 187 Trader Feedback: 0	Man im just finshing a app that might be good enough for the public and i dont want this scum bag to start selling it!

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Dirtbag selling PSP homebrews!!! GET IM!!