Upgrades?..why Sony?

[lukewarmwater]

Here's a couple of questions to think about.
What does Sony have to gain by not letting people use homebrews. It seems to me that what ever amout of money that they think they would lose with lower software sales would be more than made up with extra hardware sales. Imagine if they had some creative thoughts...what do you think if you could buy a memory card pre filed with a ps 1 emu and a few games? Take it a little further...what if some of these games were listed as bonus games and were different on every 50,000 memory cards so that consumers would want to trade them or buy multiples of the same card to get the different bonus games??
In regards to automatic updates for new games has anyone tried re-routing the download to a memory card so that it does not get to the os (if that is possible) or even hacking the os to delete or partition the download.

Just thinking out loud.
Luke

[Whiplord]

Originally Posted by lukewarmwater

Here's a couple of questions to think about.
What does Sony have to gain by not letting people use homebrews. It seems to me that what ever amout of money that they think they would lose with lower software sales would be more than made up with extra hardware sales. Imagine if they had some creative thoughts...what do you think if you could buy a memory card pre filed with a ps 1 emu and a few games? Take it a little further...what if some of these games were listed as bonus games and were different on every 50,000 memory cards so that consumers would want to trade them or buy multiples of the same card to get the different bonus games??
In regards to automatic updates for new games has anyone tried re-routing the download to a memory card so that it does not get to the os (if that is possible) or even hacking the os to delete or partition the download.

Just thinking out loud.
Luke

Because they would be giving away games for free.

Duh. And I'm pretty sure they're making pretty much all money on hardware as they make little to no profit on the PSP units themselves. Also, homebrew allows the piracy of PSP gamnes, those selfsame items that profits swing from.

[bulls84]

Originally Posted by lukewarmwater

Here's a couple of questions to think about.
What does Sony have to gain by not letting people use homebrews. It seems to me that what ever amout of money that they think they would lose with lower software sales would be more than made up with extra hardware sales. Imagine if they had some creative thoughts...what do you think if you could buy a memory card pre filed with a ps 1 emu and a few games? Take it a little further...what if some of these games were listed as bonus games and were different on every 50,000 memory cards so that consumers would want to trade them or buy multiples of the same card to get the different bonus games??
In regards to automatic updates for new games has anyone tried re-routing the download to a memory card so that it does not get to the os (if that is possible) or even hacking the os to delete or partition the download.

Just thinking out loud.
Luke

that would be expensive because ps1 games are around 600-700 megs and and if they were cheap you could just use them for a psp memory stick. And if people were to trade them they wouldn't be expensive. Also instead of that sony could just release a umd that is cheaper than other psp games that has a ps1 game on it.

[Master-Chief]

Homebrew means ISO Loaders...

ISO Loaders means that Sony doesn't get any money for games...

[framerate]

Originally Posted by lukewarmwater

Here's a couple of questions to think about.
What does Sony have to gain by not letting people use homebrews. It seems to me that what ever amout of money that they think they would lose with lower software sales would be more than made up with extra hardware sales. Imagine if they had some creative thoughts...what do you think if you could buy a memory card pre filed with a ps 1 emu and a few games? Take it a little further...what if some of these games were listed as bonus games and were different on every 50,000 memory cards so that consumers would want to trade them or buy multiples of the same card to get the different bonus games??
In regards to automatic updates for new games has anyone tried re-routing the download to a memory card so that it does not get to the os (if that is possible) or even hacking the os to delete or partition the download.

Just thinking out loud.
Luke

I know it's hard to believe, but only a SMALL percentage of PSP owners even use the homebrew. It's not enough to offset the money they'd lose in piracy...

[mtgking5287]

Originally Posted by framerate

I know it's hard to believe, but only a SMALL percentage of PSP owners even use the homebrew. It's not enough to offset the money they'd lose in piracy...

sony is just greedy they should just let us and our 1.0/1.5 PSP's live in peace

[MasterMagneto]

Sony isnt being greedy, just business smart. If you were selling lemonade and some guy comes and takes steals one cup, you dont just go ''Oh well it was only one cup!" Same with sony. They want NO piracy at all, and homebrew means piracy. Do you honestly think sony gives a damn about us playing emulators on their system? No. They would actually support it. Now do you think sony cares about people downloading and playing their psp games for free? For sure, and they'll do their best to prevent it.

[Sheir]

They actually lose profit on the PSP. If you buy a PSP and 2 games they make a profit.

I bought the PSP and 2 games, that's enough support as far as I'm concerned :-/

[tskiller]

Originally Posted by Sheir

They actually lose profit on the PSP. If you buy a PSP and 2 games they make a profit.

I bought the PSP and 2 games, that's enough support as far as I'm concerned :-/

me aswell, if they broke even on me with the psp, 2 games, and a sony 1 gig im done spending 40$ on games that are less in quality then of equivelent priced PC games.

[Ibanez32]

Their loosing over $100 for every psp sold. On top of that if the developers don't make any money they'll loose interest in the psp and there won't be any games.

[Pyrobon]

It's funny how people says "Sony is greedy" or "Sony is evil" because they are trying to stop homebrew, like if Sony was a friend or next door neighboor. Its a company people! This have nothing to do about moral values, in fact they can be the biggest company in the world and yet they need to be sure they'll gain profit from their software. And please, do a research before saying Sony is making enough money with their hardware. Besides PSP, PS3 is going to be a huge loss for them and they already had the first red quarter in many years...AND THATS DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN TO STOP HOMEBREW, yes...it does make a difference.
Not that it would be a green quarter if homebrew didn't exist, but anyway, just a comment

[isthar]

You guys really think the *majority* of PSP owners are hackers wanting ISO's, Homebrews, etc? or just kids who have no idea, go and buy a PSP, and buy games every so often?

Granted, if this was the Nintendo DS, I'd say the latter. I sort of agree, the PSP owners are an older crowd, but I think that also generally translates into a crowd that has money; they dont have time to figure hacks out, figure out where to get stuff -- movies can be had online if you know how and where, quite easily, but I know so many people who don't bother; they have cash, they go buy a dvd, or rent and they are all set.

I personally think that if Sony opened up the psp a bit, it would eventually trickle to mass media like Wired, with some article about how the PSP is a great, flexible device, some people would start using it as a portable wifi computer, others as the one way to play all their old gameboy games, who knows, and I think all of that DOES translate into sales.

The piracy part, for any software is absolutely inevitable. INEVITABLE. If its not via easy software hacks, I give a year for "psp w/ mod chip" to come out. It's always the case. Now, yes, Sony shouldn't encourage it, obviously, but how many generations of consoles will it take for companies to have to acknowledge that they will never, ever be able to prevent those who want to just use it their own merry way?

I was quite excited when I heard the PSP could run mame, snes, etc. That led me to go get a PSP. I got one, didn't bother doing any tricks to find the right firmware, oh, look, I got 1.5.1. Oh well, updated, now I'll update to 2.0, but I'm looking at the landscape, and it looks a bit bland -- games, not much (AC!D is awesome, Wipeout Pure is fun but Oh So Cheap the AI!), and quite possibly, Sony will see one more PSP returned to the store it came from, at least for now.

Besides, why do I get the feel the biggest piracy concern are probably the shops in China already being setup that are duping UMD discs and selling them on the street? So what if a few people are copying around images and playing? Why do I get the feeling that for the PS2 that is as widespread as mp3s, yet PS2s sell just fine and dandy? GAME SELECTION!

Anyways, sorry, nothing new, some will disagree, some will say Sony has no affairs doing anything "good", its business, etc. Yes, but there's good business, shady business, ****ty business.. I wish for this, Sony was Good Business where "the customer is king".

I work for a company, and we focus on whatever the customer says they want. I'm hearing psp customers say "Hey, it can run custom written applications and emulators, we like that Sony! Thanks" and all I heard from Sony was "Oh no sirree you're not. Bye bye." It's not like someone is writing better games than Sony is and thus no one will ever buy psp games! I'd love to see a position that tries to accomodate custom apps, but does a few efforts to prevent piracy. Of course, that may very well be impossible :-(

[Pyrobon]

Originally Posted by isthar

You guys really think the *majority* of PSP owners are hackers wanting ISO's, Homebrews, etc? or just kids who have no idea, go and buy a PSP, and buy games every so often?

Granted, if this was the Nintendo DS, I'd say the latter. I sort of agree, the PSP owners are an older crowd, but I think that also generally translates into a crowd that has money; they dont have time to figure hacks out, figure out where to get stuff -- movies can be had online if you know how and where, quite easily, but I know so many people who don't bother; they have cash, they go buy a dvd, or rent and they are all set.

I personally think that if Sony opened up the psp a bit, it would eventually trickle to mass media like Wired, with some article about how the PSP is a great, flexible device, some people would start using it as a portable wifi computer, others as the one way to play all their old gameboy games, who knows, and I think all of that DOES translate into sales.

The piracy part, for any software is absolutely inevitable. INEVITABLE. If its not via easy software hacks, I give a year for "psp w/ mod chip" to come out. It's always the case. Now, yes, Sony shouldn't encourage it, obviously, but how many generations of consoles will it take for companies to have to acknowledge that they will never, ever be able to prevent those who want to just use it their own merry way?

I was quite excited when I heard the PSP could run mame, snes, etc. That led me to go get a PSP. I got one, didn't bother doing any tricks to find the right firmware, oh, look, I got 1.5.1. Oh well, updated, now I'll update to 2.0, but I'm looking at the landscape, and it looks a bit bland -- games, not much (AC!D is awesome, Wipeout Pure is fun but Oh So Cheap the AI!), and quite possibly, Sony will see one more PSP returned to the store it came from, at least for now.

Besides, why do I get the feel the biggest piracy concern are probably the shops in China already being setup that are duping UMD discs and selling them on the street? So what if a few people are copying around images and playing? Why do I get the feeling that for the PS2 that is as widespread as mp3s, yet PS2s sell just fine and dandy? GAME SELECTION!

Anyways, sorry, nothing new, some will disagree, some will say Sony has no affairs doing anything "good", its business, etc. Yes, but there's good business, shady business, ****ty business.. I wish for this, Sony was Good Business where "the customer is king".

I work for a company, and we focus on whatever the customer says they want. I'm hearing psp customers say "Hey, it can run custom written applications and emulators, we like that Sony! Thanks" and all I heard from Sony was "Oh no sirree you're not. Bye bye." It's not like someone is writing better games than Sony is and thus no one will ever buy psp games! I'd love to see a position that tries to accomodate custom apps, but does a few efforts to prevent piracy. Of course, that may very well be impossible :-(

Yes it is! A HUGE percentage of people that have homebre says they won't update to more recent firmwares not even for games like GTA which we know is one of of the most popular gaming franchises. They say they prefer homebrew 1000 times over the psp games! Thats the problem!

[isthar]

I suppose in some sense you're right -- for some, the PSP is the hardware. The software and games, hey, they don't need Sony's UMD games, they've got all the want!

Well, tell ya what: two versions of the PSP should be sold;

the open platform PSP: $600
the game console, controlled by sony: $250

would that work?

[popypopy]

Originally Posted by isthar

I suppose in some sense you're right -- for some, the PSP is the hardware. The software and games, hey, they don't need Sony's UMD games, they've got all the want!

Well, tell ya what: two versions of the PSP should be sold;

the open platform PSP: $600
the game console, controlled by sony: $250

would that work?

I'm fine with the current situation. $250 for the open platform, their games & profits can go rot.

[muratcan]

Originally Posted by Magneto3521

Sony isnt being greedy, just business smart. If you were selling lemonade and some guy comes and takes steals one cup, you dont just go ''Oh well it was only one cup!" Same with sony. They want NO piracy at all, and homebrew means piracy. Do you honestly think sony gives a damn about us playing emulators on their system? No. They would actually support it. Now do you think sony cares about people downloading and playing their psp games for free? For sure, and they'll do their best to prevent it.

yeah the *******s that invented loaders ruined it for us all mother****ers!

[AZImmortal]

Originally Posted by muratcan

yeah the *******s that invented loaders ruined it for us all mother****ers!

Even if the loaders never came out, Sony wants you to buy and play PSP games on your PSP, not emulator games. Many people don't really care for most of the PSP games that are out right now and (as a result) won't buy many (if any) PSP games and will only use it for purposes that won't make Sony any extra money, which is a huge problem considering Sony loses money on the sale of each PSP. They'd rather have you not buy a PSP at all if you're not going to buy games along with it. If everyone who played emulators on their PSP were also guaranteed to buy 20 PSP games as well, THEN Sony wouldn't care about homebrew. Otherwise, homebrew takes away from software sales.

[Sheir]

I don't really have a problem with playing Homebrew and PSP games. You guys think you have to choose.. As far as I know, Sony is only including the option on UMDs. They're not shoving it down your throat like "UPDATE".

But really, I'd rather play Super Mario Bros. then GTA: Liberty City. GTA is overrated. Now, if they came out with a good RPG I'd be all over that. Or when David Jaffe releases his game, I'll be all over that. Until then, the only thing I'll be playing on my PSP is homebrew, and WipeOut occasionally.

[popypopy]

Originally Posted by Sheir

I don't really have a problem with playing Homebrew and PSP games. You guys think you have to choose.. As far as I know, Sony is only including the option on UMDs. They're not shoving it down your throat like "UPDATE".

But really, I'd rather play Super Mario Bros. then GTA: Liberty City. GTA is overrated. Now, if they came out with a good RPG I'd be all over that. Or when David Jaffe releases his game, I'll be all over that. Until then, the only thing I'll be playing on my PSP is homebrew, and WipeOut occasionally.

Can't read? They ARE. Try running any new game with a 1.0, it will tell you you must update. Then try running anything coming say, in the fall with a 1.5 and let me know how it works. (without using fastloader)

[Sheir]

People were saying they are now, but friends of mine have bought new games and it's just an option. So maybe they're not.

[KINGOFNOOBS]

Originally Posted by Pyrobon

Yes it is! A HUGE percentage of people that have homebre says they won't update to more recent firmwares not even for games like GTA which we know is one of of the most popular gaming franchises. They say they prefer homebrew 1000 times over the psp games! Thats the problem!

there saying that now.. but when it gets 100%/10/5/5 like it will in every mag people will want to play it... and if they have siblings.. they will update it for them

[MasterMagneto]

Yes we'd all love to be able to play Socom and GTA AND be able to play sega genesis, and i dont think sony would care at all. Sony doesnt profit from you listening to mp3s on your psp, sony doesnt profit from you watching mp4s on your psp, but yet they allow it. Why? Because it makes the psp more attractive. Homebrew makes the psp more attractive as well. And i strongly believe that if it wasnt for loaders, sony would waste money upping the security, and would let us have our homebrew and be able to play psp games.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by Magneto3521
Sony doesnt profit from you listening to mp3s on your psp, sony doesnt profit from you watching mp4s on your psp

I never thought of that and its a very good point. I would say 90% of my MP3's are from less than legal sources and sony still lets me play them. Unless the band is signed to Sony then they lose no money from this. however the same can be said about snes, nes etc these classic console are not licensed, endorsed or in any way anything to do with sony so why should they care if we play them or not.

I really think Sony should take a step back and unlock v1.51+ otherwise they could be killing the psp themselves by people such as me who stubbornly refuse to update and therefore will not be buying future games meaning developers lose money and stop making games for the psp. No games developers = no new games = no PSP.

Sony should spend more time locking away the data on the UMD so they cannot be ripped rendering UMD loaders useless meaning any homebrew such as emu's should not affect PSP game sales. They managed to lock away the music on PS1 games. If you remember the original games could be played in a CD player by skipping track 1 you could steal the music. They managed to stop that without forcing you to update your playstation.

I'm still a firm believer that v2.0 will be cracked (nothings impossible) it will just take time

[Edit] Adjusted a lot of spelling mistakes.

[Stevespeed]

The way I view it is that since sony made it so I cant use homebrew, Im not recommending the system, because without a 1gig stick or atleast a 128mg stick there is not much the system can do with the JAP 2.0 FW upgrade. So basically I almost veiw this thing as a hopped up MP4 player that can surf the web and play really crappy games.

[pspmachine]

^ I agree, thats kinda the reason I updated, the day i got my PSP I was anxious to do something with it! I saw it was at 1.0 so i thought i'd update, the day after i discovered homebrew!
A simply chilling tale!

[MasterMagneto]

Ha that happens alot. My friend updated to 1.52 and saw the backgrounds on my (formerly) 1.5 and got mad. As for the games, just wait. Right now the psp is still in its infancy, and it has to have a few crappy titles to get it off the ground. Ive said it before, i'll say it again. The launch titles for the PS2 sucked, and look how good the PS2 is doing now.

[joltcolapwnz]

Originally Posted by Pyrobon

Yes it is! A HUGE percentage of people that have homebre says they won't update to more recent firmwares not even for games like GTA which we know is one of of the most popular gaming franchises. They say they prefer homebrew 1000 times over the psp games! Thats the problem!

Having a PSP for homebrew is all cool and dandy, but people who spend 250+ for a little handheld system and they only want to play emulators and games that were on 10+ year old systems is the most moronic thing I've ever heard. I really don't know how I would even respond to such stupidity.
"Hey John! What game is that?"
"Super Mario World!"
"Wait, you don't have any PSP games?"
"Oh, f*** the PSP games! I wanna play the emulators! Games of the past are teh l337 SHIZNIT!!!!"

If you need to spend 250+ on a PSP, go buy a freaking used SNES and all the games you can possibly get with it instead. Hopefully not many people buy a PSP for that purpose. With UMD movie sales doing well I'm sure some people at least use it as a portable entertainment center.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by joltcolapwnz
If you need to spend 250+ on a PSP, go buy a freaking used SNES and all the games you can possibly get with it instead.

I can't take a snes and telly to work, but a PSP is very handy for carrying around and playing some of the best games ever made.

This point would be valid if someone were using the PSP just for Gameboy games as a gameboy is a portable system. But even so you would still have to carry all the game cartridges.

But it's like carrying around a nes, snes, genesis and gameboy all in one and with a sexy high res screen.

Granted that you can buy the Sega Nomad as well and have a portable genesis. But again you would have to carry the cartridges with you and the batterys lasted less time than the Game Gear. And as this was such a rare console they can cost about the same as a PSP anyway.

I don't see why people like joltcolapwnz have to have such a strong belief that anyone who plays homebrew and emus more than actual PSP games are morons. It's probably just because they have a v2.0 or stupidly upgraded to v2.0 or don't even own a psp. So go back yo your web browser and I'll carry on playing Chrono Trigger.

[SenoreWoodrow]

I don't think they (Sony) care so much about Joe user playing SNES or SEGA on their PSP, it's the ISO's of their current media titles they want to protect.

[MasterMagneto]

Originally Posted by SenoreWoodrow

I don't think they (Sony) care so much about Joe user playing SNES or SEGA on their PSP, it's the ISO's of their current media titles they want to protect.

EXACTLY. Id like to be able to play genesis, it was a nice little add-in. But sony has to stop ISOs at all costs, so i respect that. And as for thinking the homebrew lovers are morons, well theres different degrees. If you play homebrew like i did and you wont update, THEN your a moron. Because i only had like 12 games i played. But if you got 100+ Nes roms and 100+ Snes roms (when would you find time to play those?) Then i think you're getting your moneys worth. Me? im fine playing genesis on the pc, and while it was a nice add-in on psp, it was nothing id sacrifice new games and 2.0s features for.