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**Theknightinhell** · 11-09-2005, 06:23 PM

with sony that if we pay a small price like 5 bucks or so, we can send our program to them, and they'll sign it and send it back. So then they wouldn't have to worry about piracy since the only homebrew being ran on a 2.01/2.50 is they're approved homebrew.

**I Bent My Wookie** · 11-09-2005, 06:28 PM

sounds nice, except the sig can be ripped, and piracy will start up again..... which is why pirates are bad and all pirates should have their penis cut off.

**MetalHeadZaid** · 11-09-2005, 06:31 PM

Women have PENIS' too!?!!?!

**Synyster gates** · 11-09-2005, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookie

pirates should have their penis cut off.

they'll just download a new one

**Joey** · 11-09-2005, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-baggins

they'll just download a new one

Or Pirate one :|

**Theknightinhell** · 11-09-2005, 06:36 PM

but think about it, if you can't rip the sig from the sony update, then why would they be able to rip the sig from the signed hb?

**FrozenIpaq** · 11-09-2005, 06:37 PM

Remember: Companies (like Sony) like to profit from such deals, the price for this wouldn't be cheap. On another had though, it would attract more to the PSP as a homebrew device and might be cheap

**bigmace0309** · 11-09-2005, 06:39 PM

if we can rip the sig how come we havnt taken it from a firmware upgrade yet.

**makarman** · 11-09-2005, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmace0309

if we can rip the sig how come we havnt taken it from a firmware upgrade yet.

We can't. It isn't NEARLY that easy. I Bent My Wookie is wrong here.

Anyway, this idea has been proposed numerous times. It's already been done with PSP Advance. We can do this if we want.

What I'm hoping is that there will be a way to play homebrew through PSPAdvance. It would make so much sense for there to intentionally have been a way. I mean, there's already a Lua player in that awesome app.

**scrubs** · 11-09-2005, 08:49 PM

i bet not 1 developer has eveen bothered to contact sony directly to ask about any of this.
seems they would rather post on pspupdates than ask sony.

**Hmboy** · 11-09-2005, 10:07 PM

Actually it cant be ripped because.. The 'hash' of the file will change if its modified, and the key itself it 'hashed', thus if you change anything in the file, the 'key' wont work because the hash wont match, and you cant rip the hashed key because that will only match the exact file it comes from..

Understand?
For example, MD5 hash, spits out a long string of characters that match the file in question being hashed.

Message Digest 5. MD5 is a secure hashing function that converts an arbitrarily long data stream into a digest of fixed size.

And you cant reverse engineer an md5 hash, either.

-edit-
Oh, and its actually about $10,000US for license.(sdk)

**gracz54** · 11-09-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hmboy

Oh, and its actually about $10,000US for license.(sdk)

so how much is it? i heard 125000 and 3000... damn

oh, and the idea itself... well its a great idea, someone go ask sony

**Hmboy** · 11-10-2005, 12:04 AM

I'm just saying what i heard

Probobly changes depending on what sorta license your after.

**gracz54** · 11-10-2005, 12:07 AM

wonder if theres a site to buy that or with some sort of pricing... rawrburgers!

**Oblivion Odyssey** · 11-10-2005, 12:10 AM

Not a bad idea... but then what's to stop people posting the file that is now signed? Somebody would do it with one homebrew game, then everybody would have the game signed! I don't think it's going to happen.

__________________

**gracz54** · 11-10-2005, 12:12 AM

yeah but it would go approved from sony, cost like 5$, and sony should realise that more homebrew means more psp users, i myself would never buy a psp if i couldnt use homebrew

**Hmboy** · 11-10-2005, 01:18 AM

there is absolutely no point in talking about that $5 licensing crap.

no, not going to happen

**gracz54** · 11-10-2005, 01:25 AM

wah

you can always try

**vibez** · 11-10-2005, 01:26 AM

You guys are crazy if you think sony will allow homebrew.

They won't even let us use their music cds in our PC without using their crappy media player.

They have even resorted to virus writer tricks to install hidden files & send unauthorised info about you back to their servers.

Sony have really started a war against people doing un-authorised things with their 'property'. They won't take this laying down like microsoft.

Read here for more

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4400148.stm

**paulieweb** · 11-10-2005, 02:00 AM

It's really not practical. Even if Sony thought it was a good idea, that means they would have to hire a team of coders/hackers to look at and test every homebrew app sent to them to make sure it was safe and wouldn't create any new exploits or ways for the PSP to be hacked. This would take way too long and would cost way more than $5.

**gracz54** · 11-10-2005, 02:02 AM

i know! lets donate hell of a lot money and buy an sdk! that way we could sign our code! no wait, maybe we couldnt? oh well it would still be sweet

**RootOfAllEvil** · 11-10-2005, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hmboy

Oh, and its actually about $10,000US for license.(sdk)

yup Fluff waz sayin dat U seen fluff hmboy lately?

**TeamOverload** · 11-10-2005, 04:27 AM

well i found a sony dev site before that was posted somewhere on here a while ago, and i emailed them, and they said it would be about $3000

**HungryWolf** · 11-10-2005, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hmboy

Message Digest 5. MD5 is a secure hashing function that converts an arbitrarily long data stream into a digest of fixed size.

And you cant reverse engineer an md5 hash, either.

MD5 has been cracked on a notebook computer. Check out the Website : http://md5lookup.com/ for reverse engineering MD5

**Hmboy** · 11-10-2005, 04:55 AM

What i mean by reverse engineer is, input a md5, and spit out a password without generating any hashes randomly from text. Thats just a simple brute force.

The characters that make up a hash cannot be reverse engineered directly back to a string.

Actually thats just a giant database of small string/md5 hashes.. (password cracking)

put in the md5 you found on a forum login database, and if its in the database, it will match up and u got ur pass.

Its not really a big achievement.

its easy to hash it, and fast, so they hash millions of small words(password combinations) and put it in a giant database, easy.

from the site:
Project Objective:
To generate and store MD5 hashes, alongside their text counterparts, in a database. To grant a public and extremely quick means of finding a text counterpart to almost any given MD5 hash.

**Hmboy** · 11-10-2005, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RootOfAllEvil

yup Fluff waz sayin dat U seen fluff hmboy lately?

yes. i have.

11-09-2005, 06:23 PM	#1
Theknightinhell Suicide Silence Theknightinhell Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,163 Trader Feedback: 0	What if we made a deal.. with sony that if we pay a small price like 5 bucks or so, we can send our program to them, and they'll sign it and send it back. So then they wouldn't have to worry about piracy since the only homebrew being ran on a 2.01/2.50 is they're approved homebrew. __________________

11-09-2005, 06:28 PM	#2
I Bent My Wookie And it hurts real bad. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In A House Posts: 535 Trader Feedback: 0	sounds nice, except the sig can be ripped, and piracy will start up again..... which is why pirates are bad and all pirates should have their penis cut off. __________________ [I like breaking the rules, so my sig is gone!]

11-09-2005, 06:31 PM	#3
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11-09-2005, 06:36 PM	#6
Theknightinhell Suicide Silence Theknightinhell Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,163 Trader Feedback: 0	but think about it, if you can't rip the sig from the sony update, then why would they be able to rip the sig from the signed hb? __________________

11-09-2005, 10:07 PM	#11
Hmboy Aussie! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth, Australia. Posts: 371 Trader Feedback: 0	Actually it cant be ripped because.. The 'hash' of the file will change if its modified, and the key itself it 'hashed', thus if you change anything in the file, the 'key' wont work because the hash wont match, and you cant rip the hashed key because that will only match the exact file it comes from.. Understand? For example, MD5 hash, spits out a long string of characters that match the file in question being hashed. Message Digest 5. MD5 is a secure hashing function that converts an arbitrarily long data stream into a digest of fixed size. And you cant reverse engineer an md5 hash, either. -edit- Oh, and its actually about $10,000US for license.(sdk) __________________ [IMG]http://etc.sorrowind.net/hmboypsix.jpg[/IMG] [COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=0]Dont ask.[/SIZE][/COLOR] Last edited by Hmboy; 11-09-2005 at 10:25 PM..

11-09-2005, 06:37 PM	#7
FrozenIpaq Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,986 Trader Feedback: 0	Remember: Companies (like Sony) like to profit from such deals, the price for this wouldn't be cheap. On another had though, it would attract more to the PSP as a homebrew device and might be cheap

11-09-2005, 06:39 PM	#8
bigmace0309 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 95 Trader Feedback: 0	if we can rip the sig how come we havnt taken it from a firmware upgrade yet.

11-09-2005, 08:49 PM	#10
scrubs Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 79 Trader Feedback: 0	i bet not 1 developer has eveen bothered to contact sony directly to ask about any of this. seems they would rather post on pspupdates than ask sony.

11-10-2005, 12:04 AM	#13
Hmboy Aussie! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth, Australia. Posts: 371 Trader Feedback: 0	I'm just saying what i heard Probobly changes depending on what sorta license your after. __________________ [IMG]http://etc.sorrowind.net/hmboypsix.jpg[/IMG] [COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=0]Dont ask.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

11-10-2005, 12:07 AM	#14
gracz54 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,700 Trader Feedback: 0	wonder if theres a site to buy that or with some sort of pricing... rawrburgers! __________________ Spoiler for a surprise: <3

11-10-2005, 12:10 AM	#15
Oblivion Odyssey Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 509 Trader Feedback: 0	Not a bad idea... but then what's to stop people posting the file that is now signed? Somebody would do it with one homebrew game, then everybody would have the game signed! I don't think it's going to happen. __________________ __________________ [COLOR=Red]If Practice Makes Perfect, And Nobody's Perfect, Then... Why Practice? Famous Last Words: "Watch This!"[/COLOR] [COLOR=MediumTurquoise]GTA:LCS Complete 100% PM Me About Anything To Do With The Game[/COLOR] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=24197][COLOR=Blue]Request An AOTM Mod![/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=24200&page=1&pp=10][COLOR=Lime]Get My Chrono Trigger AOTM Mod![/COLOR][/URL] [SIZE=2]-"I like it... works great"- DeNitro[/SIZE] [URL=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?p=249428#post249428][COLOR=Orange]The Definitive UMD Games Firmware Requirements Thread[/COLOR][/URL] [URL=http://pspradio.berlios.de/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=118][COLOR=Green]My Simplistic Guide To Installing And Using PSPRadio[/COLOR][/URL]

11-10-2005, 12:12 AM	#16
gracz54 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,700 Trader Feedback: 0	yeah but it would go approved from sony, cost like 5$, and sony should realise that more homebrew means more psp users, i myself would never buy a psp if i couldnt use homebrew __________________ Spoiler for a surprise: <3

11-10-2005, 01:18 AM	#17
Hmboy Aussie! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth, Australia. Posts: 371 Trader Feedback: 0	there is absolutely no point in talking about that $5 licensing crap. no, not going to happen __________________ [IMG]http://etc.sorrowind.net/hmboypsix.jpg[/IMG] [COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=0]Dont ask.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

11-10-2005, 01:25 AM	#18
gracz54 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,700 Trader Feedback: 0	wah you can always try __________________ Spoiler for a surprise: <3

11-10-2005, 01:26 AM	#19
vibez Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 122 Trader Feedback: 0	You guys are crazy if you think sony will allow homebrew. They won't even let us use their music cds in our PC without using their crappy media player. They have even resorted to virus writer tricks to install hidden files & send unauthorised info about you back to their servers. Sony have really started a war against people doing un-authorised things with their 'property'. They won't take this laying down like microsoft. Read here for more http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4400148.stm

11-10-2005, 02:00 AM	#20
paulieweb Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 66 Trader Feedback: 0	It's really not practical. Even if Sony thought it was a good idea, that means they would have to hire a team of coders/hackers to look at and test every homebrew app sent to them to make sure it was safe and wouldn't create any new exploits or ways for the PSP to be hacked. This would take way too long and would cost way more than $5.

11-10-2005, 02:02 AM	#21
gracz54 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,700 Trader Feedback: 0	i know! lets donate hell of a lot money and buy an sdk! that way we could sign our code! no wait, maybe we couldnt? oh well it would still be sweet __________________ Spoiler for a surprise: <3

11-10-2005, 04:27 AM	#23
TeamOverload Rock Star FamousLastX Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: CT\| FW: 4.01 M33-2 Posts: 11,844 Trader Feedback: 0	well i found a sony dev site before that was posted somewhere on here a while ago, and i emailed them, and they said it would be about $3000 __________________

11-10-2005, 04:55 AM	#25
Hmboy Aussie! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth, Australia. Posts: 371 Trader Feedback: 0	What i mean by reverse engineer is, input a md5, and spit out a password without generating any hashes randomly from text. Thats just a simple brute force. The characters that make up a hash cannot be reverse engineered directly back to a string. Actually thats just a giant database of small string/md5 hashes.. (password cracking) put in the md5 you found on a forum login database, and if its in the database, it will match up and u got ur pass. Its not really a big achievement. its easy to hash it, and fast, so they hash millions of small words(password combinations) and put it in a giant database, easy. from the site: Project Objective: To generate and store MD5 hashes, alongside their text counterparts, in a database. To grant a public and extremely quick means of finding a text counterpart to almost any given MD5 hash. __________________ [IMG]http://etc.sorrowind.net/hmboypsix.jpg[/IMG] [COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=0]Dont ask.[/SIZE][/COLOR] Last edited by Hmboy; 11-10-2005 at 04:59 AM..

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