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Old 01-19-2006, 03:49 PM   #1
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Note: This is not a tutorial, this is not a program, this is only my personal views about how the PSP scene is turning out. If this gets me banned, fine, I am willing to stand to my opinions anyway. I am not the kind to get offensive, and maybe will you think I am whining, but if that's the case, look carefully around, open your eyes, and maybe I won't be whining so much anymore to you.

At first, the PSP homebrew scene seemed so revolutionnary. I was in it even before having a PSP myself, maybe what brought me to buy my 1.5 PSP the day it has been released here. I thought about all the possibilities of creating my own portable game, and it made me anxious.

But more I see, or more I look, more I see people disrespecting each other. More it goes, more I see people commenting on the front page with such harsh comment, it doesn't even tempt me to create anything, because I do know, whenever someone will start bashing, other will follow. You know how we call that ? Sheeps.

I do understand most of us are from different ages, nationaties, and for the hell of it, social categories. But in the end, we are all here for a reason, the love of the PSP.

Lately, I've seen so many offenses, it's unconceivable. I have been on the Dreamcast, GBA and PS2 developement scenes, doing some little projects here and there. There was a rule back then that doesn't seem to exist here: Respect the others. You have something offensive to say that is not constructive, go in front of a mirror and tell it to yourself.

I see many new developpers coming around here, and they really want to learn. Either you know how to program, either you know how to develop, either you know how to design. I remember I did a game designing tutorial, and one comment I had really astonished me. It was something similar to: "If you don't know how to code, don't do anything" when game creation process is much more than simply programming. It's not being lazy, it's doing what we like to do. I do know I wouldn't be a game programmer as a job. I prefer my game designing job and I stick to it.

What is the scene is coming to ? People programming in Lua are almost out of the scene because "it's too easy" or whatever reason you will be giving me. Easier, yet not as flexible, but for new comers, people willing to learn, people willing to contribute to this scene, it is the best way. They are trying, and most people complaining or saying bad comments are people that don't even bother in trying, that don't even care. "Give me give me; I won't give you" that is how it works here. "Give me more; I'll hate you more" is what I start to see more often.

I do not agree with everything, but if I don't have anything constructive to say, I just shut up. Also, I am someone who tries about ALL the homebrew games. Only reason why I do not comment is that often I don't want to offend the person. Not because the game isn't good, it's just too early to be commented on. Some people will indeed drop their projects, heading to something else. But whatever, I mean, if you don't like what you're doing, will you keep doing it ?

I am not the one who will change things, and certainly this post won't help. People are already established in their head with their opinion. I see more and more flamers on the forums and on the front page news. For godsake, the front page is very important, that's the first place we read our news, and I often see people doing a flame war on those. Do you think it looks good ? Do you think you look more intelligent or whatever ? You are only making yourself stupid and discouraging people who really tries while you are sitting on your butt everyday, waiting and refreshing the main page, waiting for developpers to feed you. That's what you are, and should be ashamed of. I am not talking about everyone. There is some people who will do "Give give me; I won't give you" but add to this: "But I will encourage you or shut up". Those people are ok to me. They maybe don't do anything, but they don't comment on something they don't know what they are talking about or encouraging the person who did the program.

You want to have homebrew games ? Stop discouraging the developpers by judging them on the programming language, their lack of grammar or because they did a mistake once. Forgive. Thats a word people here should start considering.

I haven't done anything important to the scene but helping here and there in increasing the number of Lua programmers. Helping the new people to the scene. But, thing for sure. I do not wish to help people with no consideration anymore. Hence, I am leaving all PSP scene (including Lua, sorry modcase).

If you feel affected by my post, if you think you are aimed by it, so be it, flame all you want. Like I said, I am not important enough here, so I don't care about what you say or think about me. If you are affected, then you did something wrong somewhere. Yet, this post isn't meant to attack you, it's meant to wake you up.

While other people are not affected, maybe will you encourage people to continue their progress in homebrew. Often a simple comment like: "great man !" will suffice. Think if you were at their place. Would you like to know what people thinks about you ? and if it's negative, wouldn't you like to know what you did wrong in proper and non-harsh terms ? That is how it is.

Overall. Thank for reading this. Sorry for it too. Hopefully, if the scene changes more, I might reconsider, until then, whatever. This was my opinion, take it or not.
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You've opened my eyes. Even though I try my best to not discourage anyone I will truly put this post into consideration. I think someone should put this on the front page, it really meant alot to me and I hope alot of others too.
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All I can say is (and I know this might sound silly) but what is it with no one sharing and collaborating on projects?

All this development doesn't lead to riches and doesn't lead to fame.

Who honestly wants or needs to be "the discoverer" of something?

We are all faceless computer freaks, who cares really who discovers hacks?

If everyone collaborated so much more would be achieved. This is true in all areas of life so anonymous people being so petty sitting behind a computer screen all day is quite frankly pathetic.

Unity, respect and sharing. Thats what I propose.

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All I can say is (and I know this might sound silly) but what is it with no one sharing and collaborating on projects?

All this development doesn't lead to riches and doesn't lead to fame.

Who honestly wants or needs to be "the discoverer" of something?

We are all faceless computer freaks, who cares really who discovers hacks?

If everyone collaborated so much more would be achieved. This is true in all areas of life so anonymous people being so petty sitting behind a computer screen all day is quite frankly pathetic.

Unity, respect and sharing. Thats what I propose.

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I think you got my point. People are doing a lot of projects, but without knowing exactly why, or how. Some people will get help, some others will be flamed. Those people who are flamed are discouraged, wouldn't you be ?

I agree with you "Unity, respect and sharing", and I support your proposition, 100%
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i think your problem is that you insinuate that this site is the scene.
the psp world does not revolve around pspupdates.

2nd problem is youre worrying about what a bunch of brats are complaining about.
who cares if a bunch of spoiled 13 year olds flame you because theyre ungrateful and have no idea what theyre talking about.

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i think your problem is that you insinuate that this site is the scene.
the psp world does not revolve around pspupdates.

2nd problem is youre worrying about what a bunch of brats are complaining about.
who cares if a bunch of spoiled 13 year olds flame you because theyre ungrateful and have no idea what theyre talking about.
No my problem is that i see so many people who quits because they are getting discouraged. Who cares ? Many people. But looks like you are not aware, probably because you are not on the good side of the world to see it, but I seen many people being discouraged. Maybe this site isn't the entire scene, but this site one of the main references. Get your game bashed here, it'll be everywhere, that's how it is.

The problem is not the 13 yrs old flamers, its the action they do toward people who are trying to learn. But indeed, if someone were to flame you for something you are proud of it wouldn't affect you... But then, let me doubt of this.
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I believe that the disadvantage to the scene is mostly to do with accessibility. With almost every other scene, you'd have to buy some sort of mod chip or specific hardware in order to program/play homebrew games. This way you'd only get people in the scene who were dedicated and willing to help and provide constructive criticisms. With the PSP scene, 90% of PSP owners have or have had the opportunity to play homebrew on their PSP with only the addition of a USB cable. This means that you get a multitude of people who expect the homebrew scene to be delivering free, commercial quality games to them. When something less-then-sellable arrives, they flame it because they're still too childish to realise that they'd get more if they were supportive.

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well i wouldnt say that to everyone, but i completely understand your point. People really need to shut up sometimes. Who cares if you think something sucks, Its not your creation so dont make any stupid pointless comments. And i see people say that LUA isnt that great and bla bla bla, if you dont its so great why not code something with C and make it better. People will always have issues, its something that we will never be able to fix.
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^^^

AT is 100% correct.
what the scene truely needs is a no-nonsence dev site. much like the dev sites of the past or for current systems. *gbadev.org is a great example.*

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probably because you are not on the good side of the world to see it
what exactly is that supposed to mean? if someone makes some homebrew its not my job to kiss their butt and tell them how good it is. people should be able to take criticism. if a couple people telling you "you suck" makes someone quit. well then they never had much desire in the first place. especially when 99% of the ppl telling you that "you suck" have NO idea what they are talking about.


edit: also you people do know this is a BLOG site right?? you know one of those sites where ppl express their opinions? whether ppl like them or not. just because people talk out their asses doesnt mean you should be hurt from it, or even pay attention to it.
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I agree with everything you just said. and to what tipster said its so much easier to have homebrew on the psp than anyother system thus we get a bunch of different people that you wouldn't see on say the xbox modding scene where you would actually have to put some effort into gettin stuff on there. I am trying to learn lua so I posted in the lua snippets thread asking for a little peice of code and instead of people flaming me to my suprise someone PM'ed me exactly what I need and offered future help if I needed it. It's just something you don't see anymore. People are lazy end of story
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I agree with the thread maker. The homebrew scene is not dieing because of Sony, but because of the people comprised in it. Look at PSIX! Im amazed at the kind of people who visit this site. They flamed PSIX to the ground. And it pissed me off. So what if hes asking for money FOR THE FULL VERSION!! He still giving a free less feature version! The people i saw posting in the forum are scum and spoiled brats that want everything free. Well, news flash, they spent over 7 months to code it, they just want a little bit of money! I am ashamed at the users that utilize this site, and its a shame your leaving. Hope the scene get better, and i look foward to your return.
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What an absolutely fresh take on the homebrew situation!
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I see that some people understand, some other don't but overall, I read the topic, you all have good opinions. Maybe just, I think there is ways to say:"you suck" or "it sucks". There is ways to put them that people can take the critic with more ease. Being harsh doesn't lead you to anything. I don't say you kiss butt of people, i just say, encouragement is always welcome. You don't give encouragements ? That's your thing ! But don't only give comments when something sucks, then you are the bad guy. That's my point.

If you have something to say, make sure you know what you are talking about. If you have something negative to say, make it so it sounds well. Saying: "it sucks" just lead to flaming, blaming, and arguments that are unwanted. This also gets into people and make them angry and quit their project because then they think it's just useless if they're going to get flames. Negative but constructive comment are always welcome and it's easier to take than an insult.
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I'm 16 years old. I don't no the first thing about programming, but I do know to be polite to the devs. Even if someone makes a something I think is ****ty and useless. I'll still try it out. And theres no reason for me to complain about bad homebrew. I don't like alot of the games that come out even if they're trash. And if I like a homebrew game I email the dev and give them feedback and make suggestions on how they can improve their app. People need to help. If you download a beta you are now a beta tester. That means you report bugs. If you experience a bug and don't report it don't complain if they don't fix it in the next version.

The homebrew scene needs to improve. And it needs to start with everyone who has read this topic and knows they have been guilty of any of these things.
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I've been polite and considerate since day one, but that's probably because I'd like to think I'm well-versed in netiquette. As far as I can tell, the only reason so many PSP owners are so obnoxious to the devs is because a good majority of them are snotty children who were bought their wonderful toys by their parents. Christ.
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