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**aznballa1992** · 03-16-2006, 04:01 PM

sorry if i sound noobish, but since the 2.6 syscalls have been cracked alrdy, does that mean sony will have to implement something else?

like double syscalls? or something like that?

what my point is, are there other ways to put more security features onto the PSP besides syscalls?

Hardrive · 03-16-2006, 04:25 PM

they'll probably just change the syscalls, that's what they did from 2.5 -> 2.6

and ya, they can make gta like not load anymore lol, but i dont really know that part

**aznballa1992** · 03-16-2006, 04:36 PM

i mean is there anything better than just chaning the syscalls?

like a completely new security feature?

**idk2** · 03-16-2006, 04:38 PM

They could search for and block the current eloader files in savegame, but that could be easilf fixed by changing some file names.

**ericwentzell** · 03-16-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk2

They could search for and block the current eloader files in savegame, but that could be easilf fixed by changing some file names.

^^^^I hope not

Hardrive · 03-16-2006, 04:42 PM

or they could block savegames from loading

but eLoader is pretty secure as long as syscalls can be craked

**bl@ckm@ge987** · 03-16-2006, 05:37 PM

The eLoader seems pretty rock solid, unless they directly patch the GTA exploit into the firmware, somehow.

Hardrive · 03-16-2006, 05:47 PM

but that would block savegames from loading

**Xodiac21** · 03-16-2006, 05:55 PM

as for if can they increase the security bewond syscalls

HELLZ YEA! they could remodle the whole firmware if they wanted...jus hope they don't

**JJPotter01** · 03-16-2006, 07:45 PM

1. They could change the SYSCalls again but they can not really make SYSCalls on top of the current ones how ever they can add new Calls for new features in new firmwares. SYSCalls are is whats used to send and receive controlls (I think).

2. As far as sony starting from scratch and remodiling the whole firmware they will deffinately not do that (In My Opinion) because there will be brand new exploits to be found that are not known of and are not patched yet. Where as the current firmwares have already had most of the known exploits patched already with newer firmwares (not remodled just updated and patched)

**Xodiac21** · 03-16-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJPotter01

1. They could change the SYSCalls again but they can not really make SYSCalls on top of the current ones how ever they can add new Calls for new features in new firmwares. SYSCalls are is whats used to send and receive controlls (I think).

2. As far as sony starting from scratch and remodiling the whole firmware they will deffinately not do that (In My Opinion) because there will be brand new exploits to be found that are not known of and are not patched yet. Where as the current firmwares have already had most of the known exploits patched already with newer firmwares (not remodled just updated and patched)

im saying. that may be a last resort

Azov_Praetorian · 03-17-2006, 06:33 AM

They could in a future firmware assign arbitrary save codes to each psp any save which does not orriginate on that psp (have the save code for that psp) won't run on that psp... seems air tight as long as u can get peeps to upgrade... and u can hide the save code so peeplz can't just hack them and lern what they are or re-set them.

worst bit about this method is that it can be in a future patch, work on all games and not require them to republish previous titles.

**Fanjita** · 03-17-2006, 10:54 AM

There are many ways to make things more secure without breaking older games.

Personally I think it's unwise to go into them, because it's not a good idea to give Sony more ideas than they already have

**-skelevision-** · 03-17-2006, 12:33 PM

That is true there. Sony are probably browsing these sites and nicking clever coder's fears and making them reality. Keep security solutions in your head (at least the realistic ones)

unbeat3n · 03-17-2006, 03:20 PM

I think sony will deploy a task force to go round each owner of the psps house and force them (i mean with force) to upgrade.. Then we will each have a sony guard blocking us from touching our psps ever again!

**aznballa1992** · 03-17-2006, 03:24 PM

lmao

sure

03-16-2006, 04:01 PM	#1
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03-16-2006, 04:36 PM	#3
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03-16-2006, 05:37 PM	#7
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03-16-2006, 05:55 PM	#9
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03-17-2006, 10:54 AM	#13
Fanjita Muppet Magnet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Edinburgh, UK Posts: 2,388 Trader Feedback: 0	There are many ways to make things more secure without breaking older games. Personally I think it's unwise to go into them, because it's not a good idea to give Sony more ideas than they already have __________________ Using firmware v2.00-v3.50? Open up a whole world of homebrew here The PSP Homebrew Database needs YOU! Your ISP may be illegally wiretapping all your web activity. Stop Phorm Now! Visiting the Edinburgh Festivals? Get practical advice from experts.

03-16-2006, 04:25 PM	#2
Hardrive No longer a community member. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 22 Trader Feedback: 0	they'll probably just change the syscalls, that's what they did from 2.5 -> 2.6 and ya, they can make gta like not load anymore lol, but i dont really know that part

03-16-2006, 04:38 PM	#4
idk2 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 1,676 Trader Feedback: 0	They could search for and block the current eloader files in savegame, but that could be easilf fixed by changing some file names.

03-16-2006, 04:42 PM	#6
Hardrive No longer a community member. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 22 Trader Feedback: 0	or they could block savegames from loading but eLoader is pretty secure as long as syscalls can be craked

03-16-2006, 05:47 PM	#8
Hardrive No longer a community member. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 22 Trader Feedback: 0	but that would block savegames from loading

03-16-2006, 07:45 PM	#10
JJPotter01 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 126 Trader Feedback: 0	1. They could change the SYSCalls again but they can not really make SYSCalls on top of the current ones how ever they can add new Calls for new features in new firmwares. SYSCalls are is whats used to send and receive controlls (I think). 2. As far as sony starting from scratch and remodiling the whole firmware they will deffinately not do that (In My Opinion) because there will be brand new exploits to be found that are not known of and are not patched yet. Where as the current firmwares have already had most of the known exploits patched already with newer firmwares (not remodled just updated and patched)

03-17-2006, 06:33 AM	#12
Azov_Praetorian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 41 Trader Feedback: 0	They could in a future firmware assign arbitrary save codes to each psp any save which does not orriginate on that psp (have the save code for that psp) won't run on that psp... seems air tight as long as u can get peeps to upgrade... and u can hide the save code so peeplz can't just hack them and lern what they are or re-set them. worst bit about this method is that it can be in a future patch, work on all games and not require them to republish previous titles.

03-17-2006, 12:33 PM	#14
-skelevision- Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 1,044 Trader Feedback: 0	That is true there. Sony are probably browsing these sites and nicking clever coder's fears and making them reality. Keep security solutions in your head (at least the realistic ones) __________________ [IMG]http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x16/skelevision/gogt-1.jpg[/IMG] [spoiler="Groovy stuff to do"][URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=wssfl22Hhp4"]Anti-Piracy propaganda[/URL] [URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=uEdmdcVuNWc"]Evil Dead 3 - Both Endings[/URL] [URL="http://thesurrealist.co.uk/slogan.cgi?word=Goldeneye"]Random Sloganiser[/URL] [URL="http://thesurrealist.co.uk/movie.php?word=virtual+sheep"]Random Movie line generator[/URL] [URL="http://qntm.org/owe"]The Piracy Calculator[/URL][/spoiler] [spoiler="Really groovy people"]Toweliee (or however you spell it) thanks much for the 800k+premium dude! DarkoMischief- thanks for the awesome competitions! liane777- thanks a bunch for the million, very, very much appreciated! Domo_Arigato- Thanks a lot for the 1158! mannymix03 - Joost invite. What can I say? I love you all (in a manly way)!!! [/spoiler]

03-17-2006, 03:20 PM	#15
unbeat3n Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14 Trader Feedback: 0	I think sony will deploy a task force to go round each owner of the psps house and force them (i mean with force) to upgrade.. Then we will each have a sony guard blocking us from touching our psps ever again!

03-17-2006, 03:24 PM	#16
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are there ahy more secure security features than syscalls?