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**Psypher** · 07-22-2006, 10:24 AM

Has anyone heard from the dubbed "Kernel Loader" recently?

Last I heard from the dev's, they (Fanjita, Ditlew, and/or hitchhikr) ran into a few walls that prevented them from progressing [quicker] toward their goal of a KXploit-like homebrew access, instead of the traditional 'eLoader' feel.

Not much info has been released, but I gathered the following:

- Limited kernel apps (?)
- KXploit implementation

Anyone know of anything new?
Maybe I was misinformed about something.

It would be cool to get a few insights on this project, and if any progress has been made since I've last heard of it... which was some time ago

**delight1** · 07-22-2006, 10:31 AM

i have not heard any more about it for awhile.

**Maniaxe** · 07-22-2006, 10:32 AM

was anyone actually working on it???

**Psypher** · 07-22-2006, 11:15 AM

QJ.net said Fanjita was working on it; Ditlew said he didn't want to hear about it or something in his interview . . . makes you wonder!

**NeilR** · 07-22-2006, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psypher

QJ.net said Fanjita was working on it; Ditlew said he didn't want to hear about it or something in his interview . . . makes you wonder!

When it comes to them, they prefer to keep things low key until lots of progress is made. You'll never see either Fanjita or Ditlew give release dates; we'll just have to be patient.

**yusefal** · 07-22-2006, 11:25 AM

I hope that this comes out.

**MasterChief1234** · 07-22-2006, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psypher

QJ.net said Fanjita was working on it; Ditlew said he didn't want to hear about it or something in his interview . . . makes you wonder!

That's because Ditlew is strongly agasinst piracy. Once the "Kloader" is released, you would be able to run UMD ISOs with fastloader, devhook, and umd emulator.

**delight1** · 07-22-2006, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterChief1234

That's because Ditlew is strongly agasinst piracy. Once the "Kloader" is released, you would be able to run UMD ISOs with fastloader, devhook, and umd emulator.

you do not know that those would work

**anonymous stranger** · 07-29-2006, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterChief1234

That's because Ditlew is strongly agasinst piracy. Once the "Kloader" is released, you would be able to run UMD ISOs with fastloader, devhook, and umd emulator.

Piracy is bad, it affects psp game development, nomatter how little affect it is, it still does SOMETHING, if 10 people pirate, and each of them pirate 5 (like thats even possible...)games, and each game is ... letsy say 30 bucks... 30x5x10, thats $1500 loss to the game industry, and im sure there are WAY MORE pirate out there, also they probably would have atleast 15 illegal isos...lets do this, 100 isoers, each with 15 iso, and they all pirate the latest release that are 40 bucks... so is 100 * 15 * 40, lets see how much this is ... wow thats 60,000! with 200 pirates thats $120,000 there, how much more money till another great game? now tell me theres not more than a 100 pirate out in this world, imagine all the loss Sony had to endure, so if I were them I'd try my best to stop iso, also you isoers out there should think about this, all those money sony and game developers lost, they could'v invested in something BIG, mabie with those money they can put more functions on the next GTA game, or even make another great game, or even some good sony psp updates, plus, if there weren't isos sony won't try as hard to patch all the updates, and mabie we could ALREADY emulate 2.8 , mabie we could already have psp fw3.0! but because of you isoers, all those possibilities are gone. I'm not against using those loaders to play your own dump.

now thats just my opinion, if you still wanna use isos for your own selfish reason and cuss me out for going against you, then keep doing it, but think about it, can you just let this go on? you dont feel bad at all?

I'd say somehow fanjita makes it so that iso with 2.0+is nearly impossible, but kernel access is still granted, like make it limited access, so most iso won't load, I'm on Ditlew's side!

**delight1** · 07-29-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by anonymous stranger

Piracy is bad, it affects psp game development, nomatter how little affect it is, it still does SOMETHING, if 10 people pirate, and each of them pirate 5 (like thats even possible...)games, and each game is ... letsy say 30 bucks... 30x5x10, thats $1500 loss to the game industry, and im sure there are WAY MORE pirate out there, also they probably would have atleast 15 illegal isos...lets do this, 100 isoers, each with 15 iso, and they all pirate the latest release that are 40 bucks... so is 100 * 15 * 40, lets see how much this is ... wow thats 60,000! with 200 pirates thats $120,000 there, how much more money till another great game? now tell me theres not more than a 100 pirate out in this world, imagine all the loss Sony had to endure, so if I were them I'd try my best to stop iso, also you isoers out there should think about this, all those money sony and game developers lost, they could'v invested in something BIG, mabie with those money they can put more functions on the next GTA game, or even make another great game, or even some good sony psp updates, plus, if there weren't isos sony won't try as hard to patch all the updates, and mabie we could ALREADY emulate 2.8 , mabie we could already have psp fw3.0! but because of you isoers, all those possibilities are gone. I'm not against using those loaders to play your own dump.

now thats just my opinion, if you still wanna use isos for your own selfish reason and cuss me out for going against you, then keep doing it, but think about it, can you just let this go on? you dont feel bad at all?

I'd say somehow fanjita makes it so that iso with 2.0+is nearly impossible, but kernel access is still granted, like make it limited access, so most iso won't load, I'm on Ditlew's side!

there is no money lost if they would not have bought the games any way.it is like saying: because you did not buy abottle of water, the water industy will lose money. they are not losing it, they are just not making it.

**anonymous stranger** · 07-29-2006, 01:10 PM

well ... sure lol, thats right! nice thinking there, I guess I didn't think about that... but they could'v done something nice with the money they didn't make... the less they make the more they raise prices too, hoping to gain it back.

**Cao** · 07-29-2006, 01:54 PM

Like anti-riaa people says, people who've downloaded an album would not have bought it in the first place.

Back on-topic. 1.5 is already doomed with piracy, so Kloader/ I assume it would lead to the same by developers. (Kernal limitations) ah I see where it's going to. Block umd access?

**|-Anubis-|** · 07-29-2006, 02:35 PM

I think by kernel limitations he means like the maximum amount of memory a kernel application can use, the maximum size of an EBOOT or something. Not like blocking UMD access and stuff like that.

**sigudian** · 07-29-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by anonymous stranger

well ... sure lol, thats right! nice thinking there, I guess I didn't think about that... but they could'v done something nice with the money they didn't make... the less they make the more they raise prices too, hoping to gain it back.

actually, i guess the money comes in after the game is made, only paying down the loans that they made to make the game, like the sallery of the workers and stuff

**Marvel** · 07-30-2006, 09:15 AM

there site has not bein updates could we expect the kernel loader by the end of Auguest

**FreePlay** · 07-30-2006, 10:03 AM

Seeing how they're NOT MAKING ONE, no.

**Psypher** · 07-30-2006, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreePlay

Seeing how they're NOT MAKING ONE, no.

So did QJ deceive us again?
Or did they call 'quit' without calling it?

**Glynnder** · 07-30-2006, 10:40 AM

Well, we never really knew for sure they were going to

**FreePlay** · 07-30-2006, 10:48 AM

Fanjita has said a few times now that the latest thing he was trying to do was get EBOOTs to run from the XMB in 2.50 and 2.60, not make a kernel eLoader.

**Glynnder** · 07-30-2006, 11:07 AM

Exactly, a RAM patch will be on the way, but if I were Fanjita I would take a long break.

I don't think we'll see a kLoader for a while now, ut we'll get hb execution, same level as before, but from the xmb.

I reckon this is cos Fanjita hates piracy so much

**Fanjita** · 07-31-2006, 03:23 AM

Ever heard of summer vacations?

There's plenty of work still ongoing for bringing fully-usable kernel mode support to v2.5+. At the moment there's a lot of personal stuff going on for many of the people working on this (e.g. vacations, change of job, broken PSP, etc.), and also progress is slow because it's tricky stuff.

It'll be done when it's done, until then there's not much point in building up expectations and general stress, because that only slows things down.

**chaoskingz** · 07-31-2006, 04:27 AM

w00t, stright from the horses mouth, now everyone with 2.5/2.6 calm down, i feel sorry for the TA-082 boarders but hey, thats life, im sure no one has forgotton about you guys, least of all Fanjita, who was instrumental in bringing us all homebrew when we were on 2.5/2.6 (before teh downgrade) and im sure both him and ditlew and all the other devs that helped with eloader aren't going to forget about you guys now.

**MjW** · 07-31-2006, 06:13 AM

Welcome back Fanjita

**Marvel** · 07-31-2006, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanjita

Ever heard of summer vacations?

There's plenty of work still ongoing for bringing fully-usable kernel mode support to v2.5+. At the moment there's a lot of personal stuff going on for many of the people working on this (e.g. vacations, change of job, broken PSP, etc.), and also progress is slow because it's tricky stuff.

It'll be done when it's done, until then there's not much point in building up expectations and general stress, because that only slows things down.

**zodionic** · 08-04-2006, 10:05 AM

yea ditlew dont like da iso's. fanjita aint a fan either, who knows they might try and stop it from loading iso's 0o

**Fanjita** · 08-04-2006, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zodionic

yea ditlew dont like da iso's. fanjita aint a fan either, who knows they might try and stop it from loading iso's 0o

Which would be contrary to everything we've ever said about blocking software.

**gyaku_zuki** · 08-14-2006, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanjita

Ever heard of summer vacations?

Nicely said Fanjita, sometimes guys in here seem to get a bit impatient.
Maybe you guys should remember what we already have, and if anyone deserves a holiday, its developers like Fanjita.

**Tobias170** · 08-14-2006, 03:18 AM

that's my oppinion as well ...
anyonewho wants kernel eloader shoud downgrade (as long as he doesn't have ta-082) and enjoy 1.5 as long as there's no kernel eloader ...

**FreePlay** · 08-14-2006, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanjita

It'll be done when it's done

So will we receive a free copy of Duke Nukem Forever with it?

**Dreamkillr** · 08-14-2006, 06:46 AM

The more ppl pirate games the harder it makes for smaller devolpers to make games. And its passes that cost on to the customer. Now if ppl didn't pirate games the prices could be a lot lower for games.

07-22-2006, 10:24 AM	#1
Psypher Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,087 Trader Feedback: 0	Q: Kernel Loader Has anyone heard from the dubbed "Kernel Loader" recently? Last I heard from the dev's, they (Fanjita, Ditlew, and/or hitchhikr) ran into a few walls that prevented them from progressing [quicker] toward their goal of a KXploit-like homebrew access, instead of the traditional 'eLoader' feel. Not much info has been released, but I gathered the following: - Limited kernel apps (?) - KXploit implementation Anyone know of anything new? Maybe I was misinformed about something. It would be cool to get a few insights on this project, and if any progress has been made since I've last heard of it... which was some time ago __________________ [SIZE="5"][B]๏̯͡๏[/B][/SIZE]

07-22-2006, 10:31 AM	#2
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07-22-2006, 11:15 AM	#4
Psypher Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,087 Trader Feedback: 0	QJ.net said Fanjita was working on it; Ditlew said he didn't want to hear about it or something in his interview . . . makes you wonder! __________________ [SIZE="5"][B]๏̯͡๏[/B][/SIZE]

07-22-2006, 11:25 AM	#6
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07-29-2006, 02:35 PM	#13
\|-Anubis-\| Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,294 Trader Feedback: 0	I think by kernel limitations he means like the maximum amount of memory a kernel application can use, the maximum size of an EBOOT or something. Not like blocking UMD access and stuff like that. __________________ [fieldset=Interesting Links][url=http://qjwiki.net/index.php?title=Special:Random][COLOR="Red"] Random Page from the QJ.NET Wiki![/COLOR][/url]---[url=http://blackanduril.googlepages.com/home][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Decompressed RCOs[/COLOR][/url]---[url=http://endlessparadigm.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=167&pid=1764#pid1764][COLOR="Orange"]RCO Editor 1.15C PNG SUPPORT![/COLOR][/url]---[url=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=90916][COLOR="green"]Ultimate Downgrader Guide[/COLOR][/url]---[url=http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=92230][COLOR="SlateGray"]Recovery Menu FAQ[/COLOR][/url] [url=http://www.cs.utah.edu/~duongsaa/more_htm/jk_100animeRules.htm][COLOR="YellowGreen"]Anime Laws[/COLOR][/url]---[url=http://blackanduril.googlepages.com/3.71conversion][COLOR="Green"]3.71 Theme Conversion Guide[/COLOR][/url][/fieldset]

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07-29-2006, 01:10 PM	#11
anonymous stranger Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Trader Feedback: 0	well ... sure lol, thats right! nice thinking there, I guess I didn't think about that... but they could'v done something nice with the money they didn't make... the less they make the more they raise prices too, hoping to gain it back.

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Cao Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 429 Trader Feedback: 0	Like anti-riaa people says, people who've downloaded an album would not have bought it in the first place. Back on-topic. 1.5 is already doomed with piracy, so Kloader/ I assume it would lead to the same by developers. (Kernal limitations) ah I see where it's going to. Block umd access?

07-30-2006, 09:15 AM	#15
Marvel Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: loving 3.03 OE-A and My Wii Posts: 162 Trader Feedback: 0	there site has not bein updates could we expect the kernel loader by the end of Auguest

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Tobias170 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 602 Trader Feedback: 0	that's my oppinion as well ... anyonewho wants kernel eloader shoud downgrade (as long as he doesn't have ta-082) and enjoy 1.5 as long as there's no kernel eloader ... __________________ Sorry for my bad english i'm german [URL=www.aktion-gegen-kinderpornographie.de]Your voice against child porn[/URL] Please sign it even if its in german My PSP firmware history 2.01-->2.6-->1.5-->2.0 (in order to clean the flash)-->1.5 -->harleyg's custom firmware 0.2-->2.71 se-a (semi-brick installing se-b)-->1.5 via recovery-->2.71 se-b the iso loading monster

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Dreamkillr Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 422 Trader Feedback: 0	The more ppl pirate games the harder it makes for smaller devolpers to make games. And its passes that cost on to the customer. Now if ppl didn't pirate games the prices could be a lot lower for games.

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