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Old 08-20-2006, 12:22 AM   #1
 
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Default PS1 emu vid. Real?/Fake? (Results inside)

as im typing this, the video is still downloading. 96% as of right...now.
there, now it's done.

i've chosen to make a new thread about this to "get the word out" a bit more on if the video was faked or not.

before i begin, heres a few quotes by me from the other thread(in the order that they were said, if anyone cares), to avoid potential trolls:

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i can at least tell you if the video was faked, but as for if the emulator itself is real, you're all on your own for that.
im crossing my fingers that it's real, but if its not, im not gonna hold back the truth. i'll straight up tell you if the videos a fake
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im just going to tell you if this video was faked.
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this is just speculation. im not saying this is fake or real. im trying to not be biased towards either side until i draw my own conclusions.
i'd suggest reading the thread for yourselves though
http://forums.qj.net/f-psp-homebrew-...ion-65736.html
(i don't join the topic until page 4, btw)

now, to open the file (yes, i'm actually doing this as i type).

...

i have just watched the video marked "M4V20018.MP4". the first thing i notice was the video is interlaced (google it if you would like an explaination).
the first thing that comes to mind is that if this was edited by someone who knew what they were doing, they would deinterlace it.
i'd imagine that editing this with interlacing would only make complications for the editor.
i can use this as a tool though. i'll look for inconsistancies in the interlacing.
though i'll keep in mind the possibility that this was interlaced after being edited to make it harder to spot any flaws in the editing.

now im going to watch the second video, marked "M4V20020.MP4". i'm watching these in VLC player, if anyone cares.

second video is also interlaced. i havn't paid attention to the audio, but i'll take a look at that as well to see if the audio still syncs up with the videos at the end, or if the audio seems to have been cut at any point.


i'm going to be looking for evidence of editing in VirtualDubMod (a modded version of VirtualDub).
more useless information for people who care, mp4 is not an actual codec or video format. it's a container which may be containing various codecs or fomrats. the more you know!(cause knowledge is power)
VDM won't take mp4 files though, so i'm going to import this into premiere, and export it as an avi with lagarith (lossless) codec.

premire and vegas wouldn't take the mp4, and i'm not about to go looking for a plugin.
pinnacle 10.5 took it though. it's an evil little program though, so it refused to change the codec to lagarith or huffyuv without crashing, so im using it to convert it to DV. it's rendering right now (i'm merging the 2 videos into 1, btw)

now its in DV. converting it to a lagarith avi through premiere now.

premiere crashed while rendering. an error with one of the frames. evidence of editing? maybe, maybe not.
premiere just likes the user around sometimes, so i'm letting this one slide.
vegas is rendering it right now with no problems.

now im im Vdub. gonna post results as i uncover them.

vdub isn't finding any errors in the video, but this is expected since the video has been re-rendered.

the interlacing is consistant. the framerate seems consistant as well (no "paused" frames)
the contrast of the psp's screen is also consistant.
no frames were cut.

i can still take a look at the audio if anyone really wants me to, but i don't see any need for it. this video is real.


final conclusion:


REAL

now, i'd like to make it clear that i'm saying the video is real. this does NOT mean that the emulator is real (nor has it been concluded that it's fake).

this video has not been tampered with (perhaps they should have, though. interlacing is anoying)
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Oh my God, an actual analysis! I'm... I'm in shock!
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**** ****, this is good.
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Thanks for clarifying that Minion, it will help silence a lot of the doubters.
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Where exactly is the video?
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yea we need proof aswell. this still seems kinda shady
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nicee work
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thank you for doing all that work. As i said in my other thread, i appreciate it. I'm also very glad that the emulator is real (how could you fake that without editing the video?)

all of this work you did is because i started that stupid thread, sorry for that
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yea we need proof aswell. this still seems kinda shady
what more proof do you need. maybe you can download the video and do more analyzing to it. i think this guy was just trying to prove that the video was real not the emulator.
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if the video is real, i'm pretty sure the emulator is too
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Why? You can make a real video of a fake emulator quite easily.
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Why? You can make a real video of a fake emulator quite easily.
thats why im not telling people that this is conclusive proof of a ps1 emu. theres plenty of ways to fake it without altering the video footage
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can some1 post the video? i want to see it but cant find it

edit - guess i shouldve looked a lil harder... here it is for some1 else who wants it but didnt look in the thread minion linked :P -
http://rapidshare.de/files/29490156/POC_Psx-P.zip.html
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umm, it also on youtube, everything is on youtube.
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well, psmonkey kept insisting that it's real and that he knows the devs, and there was footage of the app launching from the game menu. They would've at least had to do some coding if it was just launching a .pmp video of the demo, or else we'd see the pmp mod menu. I think it's real
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wait for september 1, no emu, fake ass b!tchs.
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Man FreePlay you're really doubting this one. And if PSMonkey knows the devs and says it's real, I'll believe it.
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i believe it too

you can at least say this looks much more promising than ZoMbI146 or PSDonkey
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When did I say I doubted it?
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wait for september 1, no emu, fake ass b!tchs.
Is that when the next firmware is supposed to come out?
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Is that when the next firmware is supposed to come out?
I don't know about the firmware but on sept1 i think the french guys said they will release the ps1 emu they are making..


Great work Minion by the way!
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I remember something like this a long time ago in the DS Homebrew community. I think it was also September 1st not sure, but from what I remember I think they were gona release a wi-fi lib for the DS, and it was just a huge hoax. Im not saying its real or fake, Im just saying the dates are almost the same.
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July 14, 2006... a date which will live in infamy

i still think this one's real though
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whats a wifi lib?
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um where is the video??
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real for sho
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um where is it???!!! and is the emulator fast??
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no prob, guys. its not my job, its my hobby. i do it for fun.
(my job is tech support, and freelance graphic artists)

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i don't see an emu. was the emu a hoax?
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