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eldiablov · 03-24-2009, 11:26 AM

haha. It was a bad choice to speak in first person. I meant figuratively speaking of course

**chrisp6825** · 03-24-2009, 11:47 AM

It's basically only meant to slow you down. You'll always be able to go through some of the source and reverse the encryption, since it's Lua.

So, you can still cheat, if you want to take the time to.

Mraellis · 03-24-2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldiablov

haha. It was a bad choice to speak in first person. I meant figuratively speaking of course

A very bad choice. You basically asked for it. Lol

**elite999** · 03-24-2009, 12:55 PM

lol mraellis

so when do you chrisp expect the game would be released?

**chrisp6825** · 03-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Still betting on before April. The demo, that is.
An actual full release, I'm not sure at all yet.

Mraellis · 03-24-2009, 02:34 PM

No worry. Looking forward to the demo.

**chrisp6825** · 03-24-2009, 03:19 PM

Um, I might have to leave EVs and possibly IVs out.
I don't understand them completely and can't really find a good explanation on them.
I'm definitely going to leave EVs out of the demo, I kind of understand IVs enough to add them in.

If anyone can help explain them to me, I'd appreciate it very much.

-
I actually did this a while back, I was wondering what you guys would think of my "Pokemon Info" screen...
Does anyone think anything is missing, or have any suggestions?

Obviously it's missing some of the field's info, but that was a snapshot of before I had all of each Pokemon's information into the game.

**NickyP** · 03-24-2009, 08:23 PM

I don't really understand them like to a science but...

IVs are perminent/unchangable parameters that determine what bonuses/penalties a Poke has in addition to their default stat growth. For example, say at lv 100 Pikachu has Attack 150 and Defense 80 (fake numbers, but you know this). If that Pikachu had good IVs for attack but bad IVs for defense, then this lv 100 Pika would have Attack 190 and Defense 55. It could also have good IVs for both or bad IVs for both, but you get the idea. IVs are determined at random when a Pokemon is caught, although if you breed continuously (make the baby have a baby have a baby etc), the latest offspring is more likely to have better IVs than the parents before it.

EVs are a different story. Like IVs, they are also parameters that determine bonuses/penalties towards a Poke's stat set. Unlike IVs though, these can be trained and basically "level up". Here's how they work: just like Pokemon give a different amount of exp if defeated, they also give another set of exp meant for the EVs when defeated. Instead of covering all stats though, certain Pokemon give exp for certain stats. For example, beating up Rattatas for hours on end will make your Speed EVs level up, while whailing on Vileplums will up your Special Atk EVs. A Poke's EVs come into play when they level up.. so say Pikachu turned lv 15 and has a lv 2 EV for Speed. Instead of gaining 4 for Speed (or 6 if he has good IVs ;D), he'll now gain say an extra +2 for that stat.

**chrisp6825** · 03-24-2009, 08:53 PM

Thank you Nicky!
I understood IVs pretty good. The last bit you posted finally made EVs click for me. I didn't know EVs do their thing once the Pokemon levels up.

I have a few questions though, IVs are random (0-31) but do they have a limit like EVs do?
I read somewhere that a Pokemon can have only a certain number of EVs all added up. Are IVs like this?
Does a wild Pokemon have some random set of EVs already, or do they all start at 0?

Also, I think that it's like for every 4 EVs in a stat, it ups the stat by 1. But level can affect this somehow. Like, a level 50 Pikachu will need 8 attack EVs in order to gain an extra attack stat.

I found this, but don't really understand it..

Quote:

Any EV gain that goes over the 255 limit is ignored. Because of this, it's not necessary to train more than 252 EVs on a stat, since you'll always end up with +63.

+63? From what?

I know you said you don't know much about them, but lately my internet's crapping out. I was barely even able to load this page to submit this.. So I can't really research anymore..

**slasher101** · 03-24-2009, 11:35 PM

Im not quite sure either, but i would like to know!

**cmbeke** · 03-25-2009, 06:30 PM

does this help?

"Some percentage chances may be off by fractions of a percent. Unfortunately, the games are currently inconsistent about chances; accuracies are integers like 80%, but other chances like move effects can actually be calculated as 204 out of 256, or 79.6%. Similarly, in RBY, move accuracies were all out of 256 but had a maximum of 255; thus any 100% accurate move was actually 99.6%."
~http://veekun.com/dex

**slasher101** · 03-26-2009, 02:15 AM

I still don't get it

**chrisp6825** · 03-26-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmbeke

does this help?

Thanks, I have already read this before, but I forgot about it. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention.

Um, I was able to look at bulbapedia's article on EVs and I'm pretty sure I understand it fully now.

Basically, EV points are given in battle, then when the Pokemon levels up, it takes the number of EV in a stat and divides it by 4. The result is added to that stat.
A Pokemon can only have a max of 510 EV points, and 255 in a single stat. So two stats could be maxed out (with 252 being the highest number evenly divisible by four), while another stat could get 6 EV points (or one stat point).

And they're gain by an EV base. Like, if a pikachu battled an eevee (suppose eevee had only 3 hp base EV) when pikachu defeated the eevee, it would gain 3 EV points for the hp stat.

Did I get anything wrong, or leave anything out?

**slasher101** · 03-26-2009, 10:02 PM

Now i get it

Any new release date?

**chrisp6825** · 03-26-2009, 10:17 PM

Ya, sadly.. Not an actual date still though.
April's coming up faster, and things with school are getting faster (TAKS crap). So, it's hard for me to get any time to work on it.

The weekend's coming up though, so I'll get quite a bit of time to work on it then.

This is where I am right now..
I just remade my battle system to work like it should (with stats and stuff)
I need to add in at least a few more items (this wont take long)
I haven't added in any moves yet (right now, every pokemon uses rock throw haha. this might take a bit of time)
I need to finish the inside of the first towns houses (this wont take long at all)
I need to make the next town (this wont take long, but I have to make the dialogs so.. a bit longer than above)
I still need to get images for each Pokemon (so far I have eevee, geodude, ekans, and bellsprout. this will take a bit of time, not too much though)

Putting the whole database thing really took up a lot more time than I realized. Sorry it's coming along so slow guys.

**slasher101** · 03-26-2009, 10:35 PM

Could you send me what you have in a pm?
Then i can check everything out and give you suggestions!

--SLasher

Mraellis · 03-27-2009, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slasher2661996

Could you send me what you have in a pm?
Then i can check everything out and give you suggestions!

--SLasher

Hell, I'm up for beta testing it to.

**elite999** · 03-27-2009, 07:09 AM

i am here if you need any support...or beta testing

**ieuan** · 03-27-2009, 08:53 AM

If he wanted people to beta test it he would tell you!

the more you ask for it the less likley he will give it to you.

he will annouance a beta and tell people to test it when it is ready to be beta tested so lets do him a favour and just wait untill its ready!

**elite999** · 03-27-2009, 08:59 AM

we said we are ready for beta testing and we support you...we are not asking for beta testing...the last thing we want is to push the developer and throw stress on him...and if your read all 11 pages you will understand

**ieuan** · 03-27-2009, 09:08 AM

ive been talking to the dev the whole time and i have been reading the pages fyi also i was just saying that he shall tell us when he is ready. when a beta tester is needed and who they shall be

**chrisp6825** · 03-28-2009, 08:34 PM

Haha thanks ieuan. I do know that a few of you are ready to test..
Um, but by beta test, do you guys mean test it in it's current state?

**slasher101** · 03-28-2009, 11:09 PM

Yes, ill be happy to if you send me a link in a pm

**chrisp6825** · 03-28-2009, 11:14 PM

Well, I'd like to clean some things up a bit if I did that.. Which is what I'm in the process of doing.

Mraellis · 03-29-2009, 05:19 AM

Cool well when you've done that we're happy to test it.

**chrisp6825** · 03-29-2009, 01:20 PM

So I figured out how to implement a frame skip into the game.
Before, the main world map was only getting ~20 fps. Now, I've got it getting up to ~45 fps. So I'm going to put a limit on it of 30 fps, so it can run smoothly without small "lags" or speed-ups.

Should I put an option in the options menu to take this off and let it run how you want? If I did, I would have to limit it in multiplayer.
By the way, this was a problem I've been constantly trying to fix or find a solution to. I was always thinking it could make or break the game.

I suppose I'll let out a beta thing to like 3 or so people. I just don't want it floating around, or people making a big deal out of it. I'd like people keep looking forward to the main release and be a bit impressed.

**corytheidiot1** · 03-29-2009, 01:34 PM

I wouldn't put an option in. I would just make it a standard speed. If people got used to it being faster then when they go to multiplayer they might not like it and get mad or something. 30FPS would be just fine.

**ieuan** · 04-01-2009, 03:17 PM

I agree with cory here i dont feel there should be a choice as it would be less confusing for people who would rather just play the game. I must admit chrisp that you are definatly to this and from the progress you have made in such a short time it really does show!

seang5041 · 04-04-2009, 03:34 PM

Alright so you're going with the beta testing way? The demo version would be better since you would get more feedback but alright.

**chrisp6825** · 04-06-2009, 02:44 PM

I'm not gonna be able to work on the game so much for a while, so I decided to just go ahead and release to a few people.

Once school ends I'll have more time to work on it. I'm still not sure when I'll have the demo version ready though, sorry.

03-24-2009, 01:34 PM	#95
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	Still betting on before April. The demo, that is. An actual full release, I'm not sure at all yet. Last edited by chrisp6825; 03-24-2009 at 02:27 PM..

03-24-2009, 03:19 PM	#97
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	Um, I might have to leave EVs and possibly IVs out. I don't understand them completely and can't really find a good explanation on them. I'm definitely going to leave EVs out of the demo, I kind of understand IVs enough to add them in. If anyone can help explain them to me, I'd appreciate it very much. - I actually did this a while back, I was wondering what you guys would think of my "Pokemon Info" screen... Does anyone think anything is missing, or have any suggestions? Obviously it's missing some of the field's info, but that was a snapshot of before I had all of each Pokemon's information into the game. Last edited by chrisp6825; 03-24-2009 at 08:17 PM..

03-24-2009, 08:23 PM	#98
NickyP OpenBOR Modder Join Date: Jul 2005 Real First Name: Nick Location: - Just Played: - Posts: 1,711 Trader Feedback: 0	I don't really understand them like to a science but... IVs are perminent/unchangable parameters that determine what bonuses/penalties a Poke has in addition to their default stat growth. For example, say at lv 100 Pikachu has Attack 150 and Defense 80 (fake numbers, but you know this). If that Pikachu had good IVs for attack but bad IVs for defense, then this lv 100 Pika would have Attack 190 and Defense 55. It could also have good IVs for both or bad IVs for both, but you get the idea. IVs are determined at random when a Pokemon is caught, although if you breed continuously (make the baby have a baby have a baby etc), the latest offspring is more likely to have better IVs than the parents before it. EVs are a different story. Like IVs, they are also parameters that determine bonuses/penalties towards a Poke's stat set. Unlike IVs though, these can be trained and basically "level up". Here's how they work: just like Pokemon give a different amount of exp if defeated, they also give another set of exp meant for the EVs when defeated. Instead of covering all stats though, certain Pokemon give exp for certain stats. For example, beating up Rattatas for hours on end will make your Speed EVs level up, while whailing on Vileplums will up your Special Atk EVs. A Poke's EVs come into play when they level up.. so say Pikachu turned lv 15 and has a lv 2 EV for Speed. Instead of gaining 4 for Speed (or 6 if he has good IVs ;D), he'll now gain say an extra +2 for that stat. __________________ My OpenBOR site. Check it out~!

04-06-2009, 02:44 PM	#120
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	I'm not gonna be able to work on the game so much for a while, so I decided to just go ahead and release to a few people. Once school ends I'll have more time to work on it. I'm still not sure when I'll have the demo version ready though, sorry. Last edited by chrisp6825; 04-06-2009 at 03:09 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-24-2009, 11:26 AM	#91
eldiablov Banned for LIFE Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: East London, England Posts: 2 Trader Feedback: 0	haha. It was a bad choice to speak in first person. I meant figuratively speaking of course

03-24-2009, 11:47 AM	#92
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	It's basically only meant to slow you down. You'll always be able to go through some of the source and reverse the encryption, since it's Lua. So, you can still cheat, if you want to take the time to.

03-24-2009, 02:34 PM	#96
Mraellis Banned from QJ for LIFE Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,558 Trader Feedback: 0	No worry. Looking forward to the demo.

03-24-2009, 11:35 PM	#100
slasher101 The Cake Is A LIE My Mood: Join Date: Oct 2008 Real First Name: Adam Location: Melbourne, Australia Just Played: Far Cry 2 Posts: 669 Blog Entries: 1 Trader Feedback: 0	Im not quite sure either, but i would like to know!

03-25-2009, 06:30 PM	#101
cmbeke My Mood: Join Date: Jan 2008 Real First Name: Chris Location: Iowa Just Played: Brave Story: New Traveler Posts: 297 Trader Feedback: 0	does this help? "Some percentage chances may be off by fractions of a percent. Unfortunately, the games are currently inconsistent about chances; accuracies are integers like 80%, but other chances like move effects can actually be calculated as 204 out of 256, or 79.6%. Similarly, in RBY, move accuracies were all out of 256 but had a maximum of 255; thus any 100% accurate move was actually 99.6%." ~http://veekun.com/dex

03-26-2009, 02:15 AM	#102
slasher101 The Cake Is A LIE My Mood: Join Date: Oct 2008 Real First Name: Adam Location: Melbourne, Australia Just Played: Far Cry 2 Posts: 669 Blog Entries: 1 Trader Feedback: 0	I still don't get it

03-26-2009, 10:02 PM	#104
slasher101 The Cake Is A LIE My Mood: Join Date: Oct 2008 Real First Name: Adam Location: Melbourne, Australia Just Played: Far Cry 2 Posts: 669 Blog Entries: 1 Trader Feedback: 0	Now i get it Any new release date?

03-26-2009, 10:17 PM	#105
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	Ya, sadly.. Not an actual date still though. April's coming up faster, and things with school are getting faster (TAKS crap). So, it's hard for me to get any time to work on it. The weekend's coming up though, so I'll get quite a bit of time to work on it then. This is where I am right now.. I just remade my battle system to work like it should (with stats and stuff) I need to add in at least a few more items (this wont take long) I haven't added in any moves yet (right now, every pokemon uses rock throw haha. this might take a bit of time) I need to finish the inside of the first towns houses (this wont take long at all) I need to make the next town (this wont take long, but I have to make the dialogs so.. a bit longer than above) I still need to get images for each Pokemon (so far I have eevee, geodude, ekans, and bellsprout. this will take a bit of time, not too much though) Putting the whole database thing really took up a lot more time than I realized. Sorry it's coming along so slow guys.

03-26-2009, 10:35 PM	#106
slasher101 The Cake Is A LIE My Mood: Join Date: Oct 2008 Real First Name: Adam Location: Melbourne, Australia Just Played: Far Cry 2 Posts: 669 Blog Entries: 1 Trader Feedback: 0	Could you send me what you have in a pm? Then i can check everything out and give you suggestions! --SLasher

03-27-2009, 08:53 AM	#109
ieuan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Uk Posts: 112 Trader Feedback: 0	If he wanted people to beta test it he would tell you! the more you ask for it the less likley he will give it to you. he will annouance a beta and tell people to test it when it is ready to be beta tested so lets do him a favour and just wait untill its ready!

03-27-2009, 09:08 AM	#111
ieuan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Uk Posts: 112 Trader Feedback: 0	ive been talking to the dev the whole time and i have been reading the pages fyi also i was just saying that he shall tell us when he is ready. when a beta tester is needed and who they shall be

03-28-2009, 08:34 PM	#112
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	Haha thanks ieuan. I do know that a few of you are ready to test.. Um, but by beta test, do you guys mean test it in it's current state?

03-28-2009, 11:09 PM	#113
slasher101 The Cake Is A LIE My Mood: Join Date: Oct 2008 Real First Name: Adam Location: Melbourne, Australia Just Played: Far Cry 2 Posts: 669 Blog Entries: 1 Trader Feedback: 0	Yes, ill be happy to if you send me a link in a pm

03-28-2009, 11:14 PM	#114
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	Well, I'd like to clean some things up a bit if I did that.. Which is what I'm in the process of doing.

03-29-2009, 05:19 AM	#115
Mraellis Banned from QJ for LIFE Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,558 Trader Feedback: 0	Cool well when you've done that we're happy to test it.

03-29-2009, 01:20 PM	#116
chrisp6825 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 205 Trader Feedback: 0	So I figured out how to implement a frame skip into the game. Before, the main world map was only getting ~20 fps. Now, I've got it getting up to ~45 fps. So I'm going to put a limit on it of 30 fps, so it can run smoothly without small "lags" or speed-ups. Should I put an option in the options menu to take this off and let it run how you want? If I did, I would have to limit it in multiplayer. By the way, this was a problem I've been constantly trying to fix or find a solution to. I was always thinking it could make or break the game. I suppose I'll let out a beta thing to like 3 or so people. I just don't want it floating around, or people making a big deal out of it. I'd like people keep looking forward to the main release and be a bit impressed.

03-29-2009, 01:34 PM	#117
corytheidiot1 Join Date: May 2008 Location: GA, USA Posts: 243 Trader Feedback: 0	I wouldn't put an option in. I would just make it a standard speed. If people got used to it being faster then when they go to multiplayer they might not like it and get mad or something. 30FPS would be just fine.

04-01-2009, 03:17 PM	#118
ieuan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Uk Posts: 112 Trader Feedback: 0	I agree with cory here i dont feel there should be a choice as it would be less confusing for people who would rather just play the game. I must admit chrisp that you are definatly to this and from the progress you have made in such a short time it really does show!

04-04-2009, 03:34 PM	#119
seang5041 Join Date: Oct 2007 Real First Name: jj Location: LA Posts: 9 Trader Feedback: 0	Alright so you're going with the beta testing way? The demo version would be better since you would get more feedback but alright.

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