ISOS and ROMS

[psp11]

I thought that iso talk was not allowed but there are multiple thread regarding them. Yah, I am being a smart ass but I just wanted to post this because I just saw a thread get closed because of talking about a FFVII iso. So are we not allowed to talk about psx isos either?

[Kartoon]

You know, there policy has made no sense for a LONG time. They consider PSX as ROM's, but if you call them ISO's it gets closed but if you call them ROM's its fine..

And ROM's are just as illegal as ISO's anyways...meh.

[psp11]

But psx games are isos. Isos are disc images and I am pretty sure that the ps1 did not use cartridges.

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Kartoon

You know, there policy has made no sense for a LONG time. They consider PSX as ROM's, but if you call them ISO's it gets closed but if you call them ROM's its fine..

And ROM's are just as illegal as ISO's anyways...meh.

There's always legality issues with this stuff, and this thread has been brought up before... Always gets locked, it's really not worth bothering.

[psp093]

QJ gived me a life lesson rule:

ISO = Not a good thing to discuss about.

[Nightcrawler]

So has anybody got the justice league "rom" yet
I cant wait for metal gear portable opts rom man I cant wait. LOL

[Euphoria]

If I remember correctly, talking about an ISO and/or ROM isn't exactly a problem here, it is basically the same as talking about the retail version of the game itself.

Talking about how to get these to run however, or where to find them is a completely different story.

[FreePlay]

Wow.

All I've got to say is...

[Kartoon]

SEE? Prime example of hypocritical mods.

"If I remember correctly, talking about an ISO and/or ROM isn't exactly a problem here, it is basically the same as talking about the retail version of the game itself."

ANY TIME I mention ISO, it gets locked. Why? Even if it's not about how to run them. The mods can't even get this straight!

And an ISO is NOT a direct image (the PSP ones). The file you get when you use fastloader is legal, turning it into an ISO isn't.

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Kartoon

SEE? Prime example of hypocritical mods.

"If I remember correctly, talking about an ISO and/or ROM isn't exactly a problem here, it is basically the same as talking about the retail version of the game itself."

ANY TIME I mention ISO, it gets locked. Why? Even if it's not about how to run them. The mods can't even get this straight!

And an ISO is NOT a direct image (the PSP ones). The file you get when you use fastloader is legal, turning it into an ISO isn't.

Does it really matter? This forum is a privilege. They Administrators and Moderators can do whatever the want with it, because they're either supporting the website, or appointed to uphold the rules.

I'm just saying, is it really that hard not to make a big deal out of it?... Talking about the games, and compatibility is fine. Just don't go around mentioning ISO's and such. It's just asking for trouble...

[Nightcrawler]

So basically if we want to talk about psp ISO's just call them roms in your thread and everything will be OK.

[Tooplex]

Originally Posted by nightcrawler420

So basically if we want to talk about psp ISO's just call them roms in your thread and everything will be OK.

Agrees!

[psp11]

I didn't want to start an argument or something, I just wondered why a psx iso thread was closed when there are a million other threads about psx isos.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by psp11

I didn't want to start an argument or something, I just wondered why a psx iso thread was closed when there are a million other threads about psx isos.

There is no argument here it was settled just call your iso's roms and your thread wont get closed.

[Macca]

Originally Posted by psp11

I didn't want to start an argument or something, I just wondered why a psx iso thread was closed when there are a million other threads about psx isos.

The thread shouldn't have been closed, simple as that. Care to link me to the thread?

[genaga]

http://forums.qj.net/f-rom-discussio...psp-80703.html

there hes basically asking how to run ff7 on a ps1 emulator on ps1 :|

[twelve]

Originally Posted by genaga

http://forums.qj.net/f-rom-discussio...psp-80703.html

there hes basically asking how to run ff7 on a ps1 emulator on ps1 :|

He's asking how to run them which isn't allowed. Mentioning that you have an ISO or you have managed to get one running is fine. I can't vouch for what other moderators see as allowed/not allowed. As many of you say we are "hypocrits" the rules can be interpreted differently or be more strictly enforced by different mods.

When you click that register button you are signing into a contract with QJ that says that you will follow the rules laid out. It also states that the rules may be changed/updated without notice. Many users seem to forget this.

At the end of the day the moderators decision is final, ISOs are a questionable topic, we can change the rules to completely eradicate all talk of them but then that will mean no more Devhook/SE-B/SE-C talk and troubleshooting. As a leading PSP site we need to be able to keep as many subjects of discussion open as possible without getting into trouble with Sony or any authorities. That means we wont help troubleshoot/help you obtain ISOs, gameboots, roms or anything else of that nature.

I will leave this thread open for discussion but if it turns the way of every other thread of this nature (going in circles, repeating the same thing over and over) then I'll close it in a heartbeat.

[yojimbo42]

at least you are leaving it open, thats a good thing. Anyway if people are really in need of some proper ISO talk then they could just go somewhere else. This ain't the only forum on the net. Plus most questions that are asked are fairly simple to solve and the TC could do it themselves with a little research, some people are just lazy.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by yojimbo42

at least you are leaving it open, thats a good thing. Anyway if people are really in need of some proper ISO talk then they could just go somewhere else. This ain't the only forum on the net. Plus most questions that are asked are fairly simple to solve and the TC could do it themselves with a little research, some people are just lazy.

Some people forget that. There are plenty of other sites that do provide support on the subjects we do not.

A big problem that a lot of people have is not reading, most problems that I have come across are answered in the readme.txt files that come with 99% of all homebrew.

[psp11]

Originally Posted by genaga

http://forums.qj.net/f-rom-discussio...psp-80703.html

there hes basically asking how to run ff7 on a ps1 emulator on ps1 :|

Thats what thread I am talking about. Are we not allowed to tell him to simply put it in his folder with the bios. Because roms are allowed to be helped with. But we are allowed to help him if he had trouble with roms? I do also understand the policy and how some mods are "loose constructionists" and some are strict constuctionists, but I just feel as is some threads get closed without a legit reason.

[--DylanDangles--]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

If I remember correctly, talking about an ISO and/or ROM isn't exactly a problem here, it is basically the same as talking about the retail version of the game itself.

Talking about how to get these to run however, or where to find them is a completely different story.

ok let me see if i got this right. we can talk about isos but not ask for help with them. so if i posted a topic called "metal gear solid portable opps iso is out!!" it wouldnt get locked but if i post a topic called "help with metal gear solid portable opps iso" it would be locked. im confused.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by dylandangles

ok let me see if i got this right. we can talk about isos but not ask for help with them. so if i posted a topic called "metal gear solid portable opps iso is out!!" it wouldnt get locked but if i post a topic called "help with metal gear solid portable opps iso" it would be locked. im confused.

They would both be locked. Telling people that it is out would be the same as telling people to look for it. If it said "MGS Portable Ops Leaked" then it would be left as it would be the same as reporting news as opposed to encouraging piracy.

You see what I mean when I say its a tough call to make. There's so much that can be interpreted from the rules and twisted around.

Originally Posted by psp11

Thats what thread I am talking about. Are we not allowed to tell him to simply put it in his folder with the bios. Because roms are allowed to be helped with. But we are allowed to help him if he had trouble with roms? I do also understand the policy and how some mods are "loose constructionists" and some are strict constuctionists, but I just feel as is some threads get closed without a legit reason.

When I close threads I try to give a reason so that people dont feel they're being cheated and to avoid confusion as to why its been locked. I can't speak on behalf of the other mods but I will support their decisions to lock threads.

After all a locked thread is a lot better than a ban. The bans are what are important here, we discuss these backstage to see if we agree they are fair and that the length is right.

[genaga]

thats what the mod(sorry cant remember name) was talking about the rule aint specific and can eb differently interupted (spelling?) put asking how to load isos from ps1 emulator should be allowed has it is with snes etc, but then again devhook is a firmware emulator so that would mean we can talk about them too hmmm

tthe rule should be like the top of this forum "dont post link to roms/iso" then we can talk about them etc without getting banned etc

[PS2GT]

yesterday in the us they passed that thing i think that any obsolete system and games can be archived so that makes roms legal and ps1 isos legal since sony abandoned the ps1 early this year or late late last year. heres a snippet><> Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.

[genaga]

that means it legal to talk about ps1 isos then but not psp sony will stop supporting it soone though...its failing
-= Double Post =-

Originally Posted by twelve

They would both be locked. Telling people that it is out would be the same as telling people to look for it. If it said "MGS Portable Ops Leaked" then it would be left as it would be the same as reporting news as opposed to encouraging piracy.

But then Basil Zeros must have list myst be closed because its saying get these games

[Basil-Culex]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

If I remember correctly, talking about an ISO and/or ROM isn't exactly a problem here, it is basically the same as talking about the retail version of the game itself.

Talking about how to get these to run however, or where to find them is a completely different story.

whoa, that doesnt make sense, ok, i understand that we cant give out links and hints on where to find the roms/isos, but we cant talk about how to operate them?

[twelve]

Originally Posted by PS2GT

yesterday in the us they passed that thing i think that any obsolete system and games can be archived so that makes roms legal and ps1 isos legal since sony abandoned the ps1 early this year or late late last year. heres a snippet><> Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.

Unfortunately that line I've bolded is the stitcher. With the wii's Virtual Console selling old games, XBL Market Place selling old games and the PS3 selling PS1 games it still makes them copyrighted material hence illegal. And the rules still stay the same. I'm almost certain the big 3 saw this coming and that's why they have done this so they can continue to come down hard on Roms and ISOs being distributed. The systems may be obselete but the software isn't.

I don't make the rules, the admins don't even make the rules. The Site owners do. Everyone below them are just enforcing the rules they have been told.

@dylandangles: I've removed the link in your sig. Did you really think a disguised link to a site hosting roms and ISOs wouldn't get noticed in a thread talking about them?

[genaga]

Originally Posted by twelve

Unfortunately that line I've bolded is the stitcher. With the wii's Virtual Console selling old games, XBL Market Place selling old games and the PS3 selling PS1 games it still makes them copyrighted material hence illegal. And the rules still stay the same. I'm almost certain the big 3 saw this coming and that's why they have done this so they can continue to come down hard on Roms and ISOs being distributed. The systems may be obselete but the software isn't.

I don't make the rules, the admins don't even make the rules. The Site owners do. Everyone below them are just enforcing the rules they have been told.

@dylandangles: I've removed the link in your sig. Did you really think a disguised link to a site hosting roms and ISOs wouldn't get noticed in a thread talking about them?

Pwned

But sony aint doign it for the ps1 its the psp so that should make it legal

[twelve]

Originally Posted by genaga

Pwned

But sony aint doign it for the ps1 its the psp so that should make it legal

It doesn't matter what they are for. Its the fact that they are available that makes them not obselete. If sony were not doing the PS1 emu on PSP then by all means they would be obselete. For now and the foreseeable life of the PS3 and PSP, PS1 games will be subject to copyright laws, as SNES, NES, and whatever else the VC plays will be copyright of their respective owners, and the games xbl arcade will be copyright of their respective owners. The thing passed in the US states if the software is still reasonably available then they are not obselete. I'd say being for sale globally is more than reasonably available.

[Basil-Culex]

Originally Posted by twelve

It doesn't matter what they are for. Its the fact that they are available that makes them not obselete. If sony were not doing the PS1 emu on PSP then by all means they would be obselete. For now and the foreseeable life of the PS3 and PSP, PS1 games will be subject to copyright laws, as SNES, NES, and whatever else the VC plays will be copyright of their respective owners, and the games xbl arcade will be copyright of their respective owners. The thing passed in the US states if the software is still reasonably available then they are not obselete. I'd say being for sale globally is more than reasonably available.

copyrights last until 75 years, if we're lucky, we can "legally" download the original Donkey Kong in about 50 years if some of us are still alive until than lol