no it doesnt you cant overclock 430 to 550 without extreme cooling... stop making a assumptions and face the facts......... there equal in terms of powerZitat:
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no it doesnt you cant overclock 430 to 550 without extreme cooling... stop making a assumptions and face the facts......... there equal in terms of powerZitat:
Zitat von OblivionX
...How many times must these conversations go on!? It's hilarious to watch, but stupid to believe. Nothing has even been finalized, so unless you give me a link to Nvidia stating that the RSX is finished, well, your just pulling words out of the air. How can you truly confirm that it will not perform at 1.8 GFlops? Did Nvidia say this? Really? Give me the official link. Can't? Well, you're continuing to lie. Did you know that it would take all of the GPUs and CPUs of the 3 current gen-system to even approach the number of transistors in the RSX, which is an astounding 300 million?
just watch the press confrence.... it stated there... but thats only theorytical performance...Zitat:
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Everyone need to stop fighting man bottomline is there both going to be sexy, strong, and powerful systems . Its all going to come down to the developers and and lots of developers seem pretty pist off at both systems cause its going to be time consuming for them to develop nice next gen games. And sony is losing lots of its exclusive titles for example Final Fantasy series. And Sony is messing around with Blu Ray. And microsof has a dual layer dvd player so that mean some games might be 2 cds or more so well have to wait and find out. But if u ask me i would go 360 just cause i love kicking little rich 10 year olds asses on halo and other games hahahahahha i will also get ps3 after a few price drops
They didnt even say that they said "there is mininal differences between the systems" so **** upZitat:
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Too bad the fighting is never going to stop. There's always been fights between consoles and consoles, and consoles and PC's. They aren't just going to stop anytime soon.
Of course it seems stupid to fight based on facts that are theoretical and founded upon means that noone really knows (that are also provided from the creators, which obviously is going to lend to figures that don't 'suck'), but it's always going to happen.
Of course logic tells us that we won't know how powerful they will be until the consoles are released and we can actually play them, but... since when do fanboy's adhere to logical thought.
Sony isn't loosing Final Fantasy.... What're you talking about?
I didnt mean lose them like forever i simply meant that square enix is now partnering up with MS now and is gonna make game for xbox 360Zitat:
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There IS a difference between Squenix making a game for MS and them making Dragon Quest or FF for it. Though they were considering maybe going to Nintendo and Microsoft for said games, for the purpose of wider exposure, the odds of it happening anytime soon isn't exactly something to hope for.
Just because they're releasing Final Fantasy XI for the 360, doesn't mean they plan to make anymore games for it, but, it looks like SquareEnix might be going for multi-platform, which wouldn't be a bad move.
actually if u read alot of gaming history like me you would find out that nintendo practically screwed themselves over by not letting sony create the cd drive for the snes then when they decided not to do it sony continued work on it and beat them wht im gonna hate is the fact that then APPLE is gonna get into the gaming industry :humped:
somebody pleace convert me back to sony i actually want a 360 now please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! I want to do quake Machinima please convert me back to sony :Argh:
Sony, not caring for the consumer? Do you really believe that? Sony is blowing a WHOLE lot of money on each PS3 and I could bet you it won't cost anymore than $400. I don't know where this 'evil Sony' image comes from. Please, explain.Zitat:
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Too tired to respond fully to the whole evil sony empire thing....
i'll be getting a revolution....and i guess i'll break down and get a 360
Son, two words: (whispers). . . Metal Gear. . .. Do you here that? Want me to say it again?. . . Metal Gear. . .. Are you converted yet? No? Okay, then how about Grand Turismo 5 with car damage and online play and much more?Zitat:
Zitat von dantethedemon
What's that? Car Damage? That thing that's been in more than a few racing games, and should have been in GT long ago? Online Play? That thing they totally ripped out of GT4?
Dude i need more to convert plz help im actually saving up for it now :Argh: i see u like KoF
(david slaps the hell out of Kold Kalamity) Man dont go to sony dude be smart man need i mention Halo 3, Final Fantasy XI, and of course Gears of War i should just stop right there thoose 3 are way better than any other ps3 game ive seen so far man . **** the ps3 its going to be more expensive , game might be 70-80 (notice i said maybe sony fanboys so relax) and its just the same thing as 360 man .Zitat:
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FFXI is a weak argument... It's already on PC and... what's that? PS2. Saying it's better than what's been shown for the PS3 while it's already out on PS2 isn't a very strong argument.
Oh, I think some is a little jealous of. . .Metal Gear. . . :ROFL: :humped: Metal Gea r!!!Zitat:
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And I really doubt the games'll be that much.
Not only is that e-mail less than trust worthy, the point never had anything to do with SPEED and everything to do with ARCHITECTURE. When it comes to that, it doesn't really matter whether your x86 Athlon can run it or not. The x360 does not use such an architecture. If the code doesn't work on an architecture, it isn't gonna work on that architecture (be the processor 1mhz or 10ghz).Zitat:
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And who really cares, because like what's been said, this is hardly the only physics engine that's going to be used.
A better range would probably be 55-70. Though 55 is probably unlikely because I doubt the games will be cheaper than the x360 games. But on the other hand, I don't see them being any more than a max of 70 either.
I make a weak argument should i slap you too man jesus plz notice i put GEARS OF WAR , and HALO 3 man plz try and beat thats hahahahaZitat:
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Outstanding! no wait the xenos has 332 million. And where do ppl get this assumption that more transistors equals faster. lol 1.8 gflops well I think sony would be very disapointed if the rsx only did 1.8Gflops. Its 1.8 tflops. And why in the hell do I need proof that a card based on the 7800GTX with only a 120mhz clock difference will not suddenly do 1.8 teraflops. King of noobs 430 to 550 without extreme cooling rofl? Comeon thats a simple overclock for a graphics card. Do you know that X2 3800+ cpu overclocks from 2ghz to 2.5 on air cooling?Zitat:
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Im sorry but a graphics card cannot do 1.8 teraflops. >sony fanboy comment on its way>here it comes> "its not been finalized blah blah blah its coming out a year later" yeah nvidia are gonna scrap all those design plans, waste all the R&D money they spent and suddenly make the rsx do 1.8 teraflops. I mean comeon you cannot really believe that the rsx will do 1.8 true teraflops.
And to Kold Kalamity sony have never and will never care about its consumers. They have the worst customer support ever and I can tell you without a link that they are the devil. If they cared so much about developers and consumers they wud not have put a cell cpu in the ps3. Such a mismatched archetecture for games. I mean when companies have to go exclusive to the ps3 just because the development costs have shot up because people need to be tought how to program for spes. Sounds like they really care. You know IBM offered the 3 core cpu to the ps3 1st? but they had ther own idea of making cell, not for the ps3 mind you, but to put in its home entertainment systems so they cud stream and decode multiple channels of data which require floating point calculations. They then decided to push the cell cpu by putting it in the ps3 showing complete disregard for developers.
And konami are developing an exclusive title for the 360 and square enix have 2 titles in development for the 360, one isnt announced yet.
Im not denying the rsx is faster than the 7800 GTX, but they are basically the same card with a few changes to allow increased clock speed and to be more suited for the console. I think sony fanboys shud get ther heads out of ther arses on this one. Its never going to do 1.8 teraflops but niether is xenos either. Xenos is 1.75 teraflops if you count shaders. But this isnt how you measure teraflops. Xenos does 0.88 I imagine the rsx is around 0.95 when you take away pixel and vertex. But the rsx has a few draw backs like no unified shaders and no edram. These cards are very similiar in power and to suggest that the rsx will do 1.8 teraflops peak without counting pixel and vertex shaders your having a laff tbh.
ya trying overclocking your video card 120 more mhz without putting at least more than 5 more fans in
Hmmmm artic cooling fan on a 9800 pro you can overclock by exactly 120mhz on the core and it runs nice and stable. Can do 100 with standard cooling. They are making a few changes to make it stable at the higher clock speed, id imagine looser memory timings and such. While its based on a 7800 GTX it has be designed to clock a little higher. But its still running on the 7800GTX archetecture with a higher clock speed making it an overclocked 7800GTX wether you like it or not :p.Zitat:
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actually no because RSX is a custom made chip with a new archetecture but it probaly took some tips from 7800GTX and if thats the case how do we know that 360 chip isnt based of X850XT chipZitat:
Zitat von OblivionX
Would you stop being so damned belligerent. God, you're tempting to argue with.Zitat:
Zitat von davidjr1989
We know because the x850 is based off the R480 (Which is basically a slightly modified R420), and the Xenos is based off the... R520 core I believe. If not the 520, It's one of the R5XX series of cores (The cores that ATI has yet to release to the PC market.)]Zitat:
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EDIT: And I never said anything about Gears of War or Halo 3. I specifically mentioned FFXI.
the xenos is based on the r520 which isnt out for another year. Although they are very different chips. Both use the 90nm process, but xenos has native d3d compression, edram, unified shaders, the r520 doesnt have these.
http://world.altavista.com/babelfish...shtml&lp=zh_en
but the r520 can beat two 6800 ultras in sli by 17% and that isnt even the final model.
when i see the benchmarks... i will beileve. ( im just stubborn like that)Zitat:
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ati made a chip to match the 360 cpu and a chip that is suited to console gaming. Things like free AA and unified shaders. Nvidia took ther best pc card and made it better. Two companies took two very different approaches. If sony would have developed the gpu themselves which they where going to lol the ps3 would have died. Lets not forget how bad ps2 games look because of the lack of AA even gran turismo 4 had its fair share of jaggies.
RSX seems to be similar to what you'd expect as their refresh of the G70, which would tie in with all the rumours that sony tried to make their own graphics chip with cell and failed, then asked NVIDIA. They've even left some features in that's only really useful on a PC, such as the dual output.Zitat:
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As said above, xenos has many features that you won't even see on the PC for a long time (could be years before PC GPUs use eDRAM), as well as it being designed to work so closely with the CPU.
I know alot of people fanboys etc and informed people go on about floating point teraflops etc, but how many people actually know the true meaning of this and what it can actually help to accomplish in videogames? I, for one, do not. If someone could explain in simpleton terms I would be very happy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeraflopZitat:
Zitat von {Sephiroth}
scroll down, till it talks about consoles, also notice the ps3 had 2.0tflops not 1.8, and sony once again degraded there console.
OK I now understand the actual meaning of FLOPS. So what meothod did Sony use to calculate that is inaccurate about it?
Probably more likely the fact that Microsoft didn't say how they calculated their 1Tflop, which means that it's extremely likely they they've done their calculations differently and then compared it to what MS released. Either way they're only theoretical performance and they won't even get close to that.Zitat:
Zitat von {Sephiroth}
thats whyZitat:
Zitat von OblivionX
Dude the consoles are already a strain on the pockets, if the games are $70 i'll retire from console gaming lol
If the games are 70 bucks, I'm gonna retire alongside you.Zitat:
Zitat von Magneto3521