You could say that HD audio is just higher quality normal audio, more that most games will have surround sound this time, although that's done more by the game engine than the actual sound files.Zitat:
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You could say that HD audio is just higher quality normal audio, more that most games will have surround sound this time, although that's done more by the game engine than the actual sound files.Zitat:
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Becuase the hardware does it not the data itself, which is what im trying to explain about HD resolutions not requiring more space (well unless they are CG :) hence why HD-DVD and Blu Ray have sharper image because video data is pre rendered and not hardware enhanced
Okay understand where I'm coming from. An 8 layered Blu-Ray can hold 200GB of data. From a developers standpoint, I would want to use as much room as possible to make a truly amazing game. Coders are attracted to ceilingless development environments. Like I said in the original post, they want to be able to stretch their legs and do what they want. Years down the road games will have a massive increase in both audio/video quality. (The people who are arguing with me on this point are either in denial or don't understand the power and capabilities of the next-gen systems) It's naive to think that everything will be able to happily fit on 1-3 DVD9s with the way technology moves these days. I myself have no qualms about games that span a couple discs, but look at it from a developers standpoint.Zitat:
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That's all well and good but Microsoft don't form their strategy around your needs. If they don't release it now their will be nothing to "fall apart", they need a big established userbase to even think about competing with Sony. The decision to leave out HD-DVD was a good one as it will sell more 360s.Zitat:
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I do agree with you that higher capacitys will be needed I was just pointing out a few mistakes in your arguments. I think Blu Ray does kinda give the PS3 the edge but I personally dont beleive it will be used at least not excessively in this generation.
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Except games like that would take 4 years to make and the ps3 is so complex that most coders find itt very hard to make games.Zitat:
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Lol yes it will sell more 360s, but not nearly as many as PS3s. :pZitat:
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But the hardware is fixed, when the hardware changes and is more able to process really high quality textures then it'll be needed, but at that point we're in the next gen and can use a different storage format. the GPU in both the 360 and the PS3 has access to 512MB RAM, and all of that isn't even texture memory, you've got to store other things in there. Yes, even lower quality games will use more space than this gen, but videos aside, you probably won't see any game using 3 DVD-9 or over.Zitat:
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By years I'm implying the same timeframe as previously posted 1-2 years, the next-next generation will be here most likely in 2010-11.Zitat:
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Again, all well and good but the developers don't set the budget, the publishers do. No publisher is going to let any developer blow millions on cramming loads of pointless content onto the end of a game. Publishers want games out quickly, they want them to be multi platform, they want a lower budget, they want to make money. Letting developers create 200GB of content is not going to make them money.Zitat:
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Are you kidding me? Publishers are spending the most amount of money ever on video games this generation, because they want big budget visual/audio intensive games.Zitat:
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Yes they are, but they dnt want to spend more money. Hes 100% right.Zitat:
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Yes but what kind of publisher will be bothered to make a 200gb game, seriosuly?? Its true game developers are going to want games out quick. Some will take the time, but I cant see a game in this upcoming generation exceeding 18gb in the next 5 years
But only with the top developers. Publishers work off deadlines and milestones. "You reach this point and we'll give you X amount of money" not hitting that wouldn't be good for the developers. This also gives the publisher a good overview of how long the game will take to produce, they aren't going to give someone the go ahead to create a game that takes up 200GB if it's going to take years of work then may not even sell. This is something we may see in about 5-10 years if gaming becomes the biggest form of entertainment when they can hire 100s of people to work on every game, but I can't see it happening yet.Zitat:
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Lol yes he's 100% right, no publisher in their right mind would ever conceive of spending lots of money making bigger better games, they would much rather stay with PS2/Xbox/GC quality games. Why do you think so many small development houses and publishers are being gobbled up by large corporate game companies? They want more people to develop enormous games. All these interviews with A list developers, the interviewer always asks the size of their teams, what's the answer they always give? Oh we've doubled/tripled/quadrupled in the last year or so to keep up with current techs.Zitat:
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But where is that money going? EA sell more games than anyone else but a vast chunk of their money goes onto marketing and licensing. They want to mae a marketable game for as little as possible, they are a business and they know spending money on a license is more profitable then blowing it on endless development that will delay their product. Remember, EA and most other publishers will still be wanting to get their sequals out every year, there's a limit to how much content can be added in that time.Zitat:
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I think your also forgetting the fact that two of the three consoles next generation are using DVDs as storage. Publishers want to make their priduct multi platform as they make more money this way, they're not going to add loads of extra content if they can't port it to other systems and make this expensive game profitable.
Precisely, there is no point in filling up a 200gb Blu-Ray with useless movies an content that adds nothing to the game. This was the same sort of thing that happened when we moved to CDs from floppies, developers felt obliged to use all the space possible, but they end up filling it with 'stuff' rather than 'content'. Any game with more than 30 mins of FMV is practically a movie :oZitat:
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Ok, it'll be a little annoying if we have to change a disc half way through a game, but there is no way they will go above 3 DVD9s. It depends far less on the graphics of the game than on the length of the game. RPGs will probably suffer most, but I don't play RPGs :p
Acutually its more than 3 million peter moore said it in the e3 conference so yea xbl rulesZitat:
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That is my whole point. High grade game companies like Square-Enix, Konami, and Capcom won't want to water down their games to be able to bring them to other systems You're wrong about them wanting to port their games. Most of these publishers are saying they will be releasing multiple games for each system. Konami comes into mind instantly. They said they will release 2 games each for Xbox360/PS3/Revolution. None of them ports.Zitat:
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I spose we won't know til 5 years time.. Still.. I hope it only effects RPG's I dont mind changing discs in them but in an FPS... arg
The last good game they made was megaman legends on the ps1.Zitat:
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I think all this topic does is raise the question "is it worth an extra $100-$200 to stay on your arse for an extra 30 seconds?"
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Really? Check around. There have been polls of videogame buyers, that have said that if the PS3 does not include a HD, they likely will not buy it. Guess what. PS3 isn't coming with a HD, the Blu Ray drive is $100 alone, and that doesn't include the manufacturing of the other pieces of the puzzle.
Also, if Sony wants to dominate this battle like you think they will, they might want to reconsider using the boomerang controller they have showed so far.
It's actually fact that about 90% of people I know that have a PS2 are getting an XBox 360 and 100% of people I know with an XBox are getting a 360. Also the 360 has won every opinion poll I have seen on unbiased sites, except for one site I cant remember
polls dont mean jack.. and besides people wil have to buy a ps3 if they want to watch next gen movies......... (they could buy another kind but those will be much more expensive then a ps3)Zitat:
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Every entertainment industry grows exponentially. We've seen this in movies, music, and television. To the people who think that the quality of next generation games won't require bigger media formats, you do not know your history. Just look at all the previous examples of larger formats taking over and smaller ones crumbling, not only in the gaming industry, but in other industries as well.
CD only went strong during one generation in the gaming industry, DVD, will follow the same suit.
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Excelent post. Considering this will only apply to a few RPGs that are only played once are we really that lazy that a console is doomed to death because we will spend about 2 minutes more off our asses every year?
You also have to keep in mind that right now, a 50 GB Blu-Ray disc costs 20 dollars alone. You really think that they are going to jump at the chance to make games that use more space than that at a cost that far exceeds a DVD right now?
CD was introduced a generation earlier and was still partly used this generation (Dreamcast). It had already started to reach its fill in the previous generation with games requiring multiple discs. This is simply not the case with DVD, no games (that I know of) use two DVDs and the vast majority of them don't even use the large capacity DVD9. It is a completely different situation.Zitat:
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Really? You might want to start informing the people that produce them to stop, because they don't mean anything.Zitat:
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And before you start spouting off on Next Gen movies, Blu-Ray isn't the standard yet. Half are going with HD-DVD, the other half with Blu-Ray. And seeing as how HD-DVD will make it to market first.
A normal blu ray disc only 27GB, you're thinking of a dual layer, which has no effect on the cost, as with DVDs. A DVD18 movie, that is a double sided dual layered DVD, costs the same as a normal DVD5. The machines that press the DVDs aren't going to ask for more money to press the opposite side.Zitat:
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HD-DVD has been delayed indefinetly, while Blu-Ray is already out in Japan my friend. You're the one that is clueless not KON.Zitat:
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ya but Disney signed for blu ray.. (all kids just about) and all the computer companies (ya all the major computer companies) and Centry Fox did (the biggest movie companie) and all the HD DVD backers delayed there releases for some reason..........Zitat:
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Yes but it's not been delayed because of problems, if they do delay it, its because they want to launch it with content, which will put it as most likely early next year.Zitat:
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HD has been delayed, but BLu-Ray might be out in japan, but how was the player for that agian;)? 2000? And Polls mean nothing, But Kon right?;)Zitat:
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They are making Live easier this time around though. They plan on selling subscription cards in retailers so that you don't have to use a CC. Also, the Silver Live pack will allow you to DL content, just not play MP games unless you purchase the Gold package.
Yet you want it to be included in 360s? You want them to double the cost of the console for a format that you yourself thinks is dead before it is even released, right.......Zitat:
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Nah I would like them to include Blu-ray actually, even an HD-DVD would be no problem. After all why would it matter that it's not a supported movie format? Besides when did I say HD-DVD was dead? It's officially the successor to DVD. I said it was delayed, not killed off.Zitat:
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I think they should go back to using cd's. Who doesn't want to play the ten disc Final Fantasy XV?
The main draw of the PS3 Blu Ray drive is High def movies, oh and include Bluray in 360? I'm sure Microsoft would be pleased to pay Sony every time a 360 game is sold.Zitat:
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