lol but then sony could pay microsoft back to have windows xp in ps3.......Zitat:
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lol but then sony could pay microsoft back to have windows xp in ps3.......Zitat:
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I don't think they'd need to pay sony if they used a blu-ray drive from another manufacturer.
I don't see why they would be paying Sony money for every 360 game sold. You must be under the impression that it's Sony's technology and they're jealously guarding it. Blu-ray was jointly developed by the blu ray association which is made up of Apple, Dell, HP, Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Royal Phillips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK, Thomson, 20th Century Fox, and Disney. Even if Sony did own the entire rights to Blu Ray, there have been stranger corporate bedfellows. Toshiba jointly developed the PS3's cell processor with Sony and IBM, even though it's a machine that has a blu-ray player, which is the biggest competitor for Toshiba's own HD-DVD.Zitat:
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As much as I would love Blu Ray, I dont think it's necessary in the upcoming generation, especially not at the extra cost it comes with
We shall see won't we? :DZitat:
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Yeah we shall. I do agree it will be needed/more discs will be required towards the very end of the generation though. But by then we will all be wanting the PS4 (so predictable) and the XBox whatever. Multiple discs really isnt a problem atall it will only happen in RPG's and either way I would happily accept $100 to get off my arse once in a while to change a disc
Now it's time to write my thesis on why PS3 has a grim future. :D
OK. I take it you are a pessimist?
I can start you off on a revolution one by saying "Nintnedo has released no details meaning people dont even consider the console right now, and many aleardy have preorders down for the XBox 360. Potentially Every XBox 360 customer could have been a revolution customer..." etc, although I'm sure Revo will be asecondary console to most. As in oh I got an XBox lets get a Revolution
All the new consoles have their downsides but contradiction is fun especially when you actually believe there is something in your contradiction
I see what he is saying, but i dont think they have the patent on that, if they do, then yeah they gotta pay sony. But for now, the Xbox is here to stay. but in a chain reaction to there down fall, its starts with releaseing 2 different systems, how stupid.
Oh no I'm not a pessimist, I was semi joking with that comment.Zitat:
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Then that must mean........Nintendo will rule all. Yay! No matter how unlikely an actual games company running videogames again would be nice.Zitat:
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Yeah I kinda guessed you were joking about that.. Hmm yes well I think it would be better for a games company to stick to making games and the 2 big companies fight and make the hardware. The comeptition is getting tough on Ninty and it's not fair. So for their own good they should stop with the hardware and just make awesoe games.. like sega did.
Perhaps I was being overly dramatic, Nintendo and Microsoft are desperately trying to right their wrongs. Microsoft is trying to attract the Japanese user base (which isn't working so far), and Nintendo is trying to move into online gaming. The biggest problem Sony has to worry about is how to stay on top which probably won't be that hard for them. Like I said at this point, from all the information I have, my prediction is PS3/Xbox360 will be neck and neck for a year or so, until the Xbox360 hits it's development ceiling, it's Japanese support inevitably dwindles, and the PS3 price drops down. :p
Maybe Microsoft should just give up on Japan.. or give free Xbox 360's to people who buy vista.. Either way, I dont think Microsoft will ever win Japan because they are American
That's what i think and i am MS;)Zitat:
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Man u guys need to stop...talking like thatZitat:
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That would be financial suicide, as long as Sony has the asian market cornered, Microsoft will never overtake them.Zitat:
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nvm, someone changed it...Zitat:
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luckily for most people in this forum I was out during the discussion. The main point seems to be blu ray. Bottom line dvd9s are more than fine for nexgen. I say a game may reach 3 dvd9s right at the end of the lifespan but im pretty sure 2 dvd9s is enough. Since the 360 support d3d compression cant you just compress all the textures on the dvd so 2Gbs of textures becomes closer to 1GB. So that should help. Most of current gen games are lots of fmvs which arnt needed for nextgen. The 360 is the more powerful console and its only drawback is that I may need to change the dvds every 30 hours. Its not going to kill me. But im 1 of these ppl who thinks the more games the better. So if the ps3 is priced right il buy one anyway.
360 nor PS3 is the most powerful... there equal so stop spreading your liesZitat:
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not to mention, lets hope all the games are ready at lunch :ROFL:Zitat:
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there not equalZitat:
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History tells us that the most powerful machine doesn't always win. Whether it's PS3 or Xbox360, since you can never get a clear answer because neither of them are out and being put next to eachother for a comparison. Raw power doesn't mean a thing to the common person who has no idea what ghz is let alone how many are in either system.Zitat:
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For all of those who have hd questions need it be about what type size hd ready
built in what type should I get I.E plasma Lcd or Dlp ask your questions cause I know you all have some
Thats right, Games are the most imporant thing for a Gaming Console.Zitat:
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Yes and Playstation 2 tends to have games that appeal to more people, while Xbox caters to the online FPS nuts. :)Zitat:
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next gen is too soon in my opioion.. when the current systems start showing there true graphics... (RE4, God of War, Conker L and R) next gen should be 2008 but whatever...Zitat:
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Yeah I'm happy with the systems I have now, frankly I don't think Sony even has the release the PS3 anytime soon. They could just drop the price of Pstwo around the time Xbox360 launches and continue to ride on their profits for the next year or so.Zitat:
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I'm so glad that i'm not the only one, that feels that wayZitat:
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rofl :ROFL :ROFL:Zitat:
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You guys are arguing about gaming systems not even out yet. I personally think MS will do well, look at the power of the Xbox 360. The games look amazing and when many see that compared to PS2 they will buy a 360. Im also glad they went with DVD-9, it will be cheaper on games. People are saying they need more space, blah blah 2 or 3 disc.. Come on now, look at all the new software to compress videos thats out.. You can compress a 2 hour movie down to 300mb and you could never do that before... They can easily compress videos small enough to fit, in perfect quality as well... Hell they are MS, they can do anything..
Ordering online from Wal-Mart is the same BS.. Package deals only it's such bull **** they throw crap you don't want in it and then expect you to buy
Woah, I wan't aware of this because it doesn't happen in the UK, so let me get this straight, the only packages they offer start at $600? That is beyond scandalous and they know they can do it as the 360 standard packages will sell out thus meaning this is the only way to get one wow, that's shocking.
In the UK bundles are usually good to us, being small and offering good savings. Usually you can choose your games and all you do is save a little money. For example, at DS launch if you reordered the console you could get it straight for £100, or with any one game for £115 (and games were £30) or any two games for £130. You were expecting to pay £130 anyway (price for console and a game) so the bundle basically just gave you a free game. I've never witnnessed bundles were that cost more than the itmes would seperatley and I have never seen any forced bundles either. That's just wrong.
Yeah GHZ etc may not meen anything to your average guy, but when BBC news reports "but the Playstation 3 is significantly more powerful than Microsofts new XBox 360".. well.. alot of people watch the news.
I reckon MS are gonna do better in this generation than last generation. And Sony will do just as good or slightly worse.
When is everyone gonna realize that POWER DOESNT MATTER.
99% of gamers do not care what kind of GPU is operating their system.
What they care about is the games, which is why by some miracle Nintendo is still around.
I am probably the only person on this forum who is gonna buy a Revolution before ANYTHING else.
I am a 100% Zelda fanboy so I think I can skip the PS3 and 360 until their prices drop and buy me a nice little Rev. and play some old-skool games with the new Zeldas and Super Smash Bros.
Let's consider the data issue for a moment.
Current generation games were typically 16bit / 640x480 with 8 bit textures. Future games will be geared towards something like 2 to 4 times that resolution, at least 16 bit textures, and so on. That means that all graphics files will increase with a factor of something like 4x to 8x.
One of the bigger data aspects right now are the 3D models, worlds, and animations. With the current generation capable of displaying about 100x more polygons, here we have a pretty significant potential increase in data.
All in all though, I think we're looking at a potential increase of at least 8x the data current games are using. If you compare the change in the amount of data used for PS1 and PS2 games, I that figure seems a fairly accurate guess.
Initial games won't use all that power yet, so they can probably do with less data, and compression will be used more and more in later games, but still, I think if a game is 200GB now, you're looking at 1.6GB which is fine; but if a game is 3GB now, it certainly has the potential of becoming 24GB.
I personally think a game like GTA may well end up using as much as it can have. If GTA comes out first on PS3 and then on Xbox 360, that will be slightly less of a problem as they will have some extra time to sort out compression routines and such, but if the 360 becomes as popular as the PS3, it may in fact have an impact on games for the PS3, in that game developers will be developing games that fit onto both systems, and only sometimes will offer additional content for the PS3 version.
But the end all of this is that yes, I think it will matter if the Xbox is released with regular DVD only. It won't necessarily impact the success of failure of the Xbox, but looking at history, whenever two systems started out fairly equally, near the end of the cycle the superior hardware usually did make a difference. The PSX vs the last Sega, the Amiga vs the Atari ST, the PS2 vs the DreamCast, the SNES vs whatever it was up against, and so on.
I don't, by the way, consider the Cell architecture to be a big issue here. The RSX will do the brunt of the initial games, and will require relatively little use from the Cell, most of which will be taken care of by Sony's devkit which will provide some guidelines on how to code so that the devkit produces code modules that run better with the cell architecture. Apparently the Xbox has a very nice user friendly development environment, which working with VS myself I can believe, but at the same time that machine also has a multi-thread, multi-core processor so similar planning will be required. The vector processing units of the PS2 weren't that easy to work with either, after all, but that didn't seem to stop developers, and the Cell technology actually provides functionality that developers have sometimes already been forced to implement in software.
Reading some tech-papers, I think overall the Cell is regarded as showing the right way forward in CPU/MPU development, so I'm not too worried there.
The main question, really, is whether the market is big enough for both platforms to exist. Although increased development costs do in fact decrease the market, the overal market for gaming is growing fast and looks set to grow further. Besides, the 360 and PS3 are also desktop machines with browsers and everything, and are likely to be replacing several multi-media appliances and home pcs.
I think the major question will be which one will be more popular (overall), which one will have the best exclusive games, and which one will run the non-exclusive games best.
I'm betting this will be the PS3, just as I am betting that the power of the PS3 hardware is currently being underestimated by some - but we'll see. First and foremost, I think there is room for Sony, Microsoft AND Nintendo.
It would be funny if nintendo released a system that "PWNED" them both.
After all - it's called the Revolution ;)
Even though i plan to get an X360 in november, i really wish nintendo would step it up, and regin supreme once again.Zitat:
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The actual polygons don't really take up that much extra space - the textures you can put on them do though. Resolution doesn't change anything in capacity, you need more processing power to do it though - even a few xbox games run in 720p.Zitat:
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Don't entirely get what you mean there, you mean the RSX will be running game code and AI? o_OZitat:
I don't, by the way, consider the Cell architecture to be a big issue here. The RSX will do the brunt of the initial games, and will require relatively little use from the Cell, most of which will be taken care of by Sony's devkit which will provide some guidelines on how to code so that the devkit produces code modules that run better with the cell architecture.
There's a difference in programming between 3 cores and something that resembles a core and 7, practically floating point processors. Although the PS3 is a massive improvment over the PS2, especially on the graphics side.Zitat:
Apparently the Xbox has a very nice user friendly development environment, which working with VS myself I can believe, but at the same time that machine also has a multi-thread, multi-core processor so similar planning will be required. The vector processing units of the PS2 weren't that easy to work with either, after all, but that didn't seem to stop developers, and the Cell technology actually provides functionality that developers have sometimes already been forced to implement in software.
If everyone is going off what Sony has show I'd say it's more of an overestimate, at least for launch time.Zitat:
I think the major question will be which one will be more popular (overall), which one will have the best exclusive games, and which one will run the non-exclusive games best.
I'm betting this will be the PS3, just as I am betting that the power of the PS3 hardware is currently being underestimated by some - but we'll see. First and foremost, I think there is room for Sony, Microsoft AND Nintendo.
I'll probably be getting the 360 and revolution to start off with then the PS3 when it drops in price (<£200), unless I have to do any work on the PS3 before then.Zitat:
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I don't get how people can't grasp that higher resolution doesnt affect data size, just the use of the systems resources. High resolution images do eg high res textures but to display something rendered (for a example a character) increasing the resolution will not affect the size of the data
This is why I can play Tekken 3 on my computer at higher resolutions (around the polygons, anything not pre-rendered like textures and background). The textures don't increase in resolution but thats not what Hi-Def is about, they can do that now (high res textures)