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**z3ddicus** · 08-02-2007, 03:59 AM

I think everyone needs to read this.
http://xbox360.qj.net/DVD9-is-more-t...g/49/aid/99011

**Realn0whereman** · 08-02-2007, 04:37 AM

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excuses excuses. the fact of the matter is, is that they couldnt fit certain **** onto the dvd and it needed to be cut. to not make fans angry they are now say "YE? SO? we were gonna do that anyways and its better this way". oh and lets not forget the lack of a harddrive too.

**Ciaran_** · 08-02-2007, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Realn0whereman

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excuses excuses. the fact of the matter is, is that they couldnt fit certain **** onto the dvd and it needed to be cut. to not make fans angry they are now say "YE? SO? we were gonna do that anyways and its better this way".

Thats not what they said, they were saying that DVD9 is "more than we need to create a fabulous experience" but its a limiting factor of the 360. Just like every other platform has limitations.

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Originally Posted by Realn0whereman

oh and lets not forget the lack of a harddrive too.

They can use the HDD if they want and make it compulsory if they need it.

**ct-boy** · 08-02-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciaran_

Thats not what they said, they were saying that DVD9 is "more than we need to create a fabulous experience" but its a limiting factor of the 360. Just like every other platform has limitations.

They can use the HDD if they want and make it compulsory if they need it.

yup like crackdown it requires hdd for online play they can put that on games so core owners or people who dont have a hdd might not experience the full potential of their game.

**Realn0whereman** · 08-02-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ct-boy

yup like crackdown it requires hdd for online play they can put that on games so core owners or people who dont have a hdd might not experience the full potential of their game.

that = fewer sales so companies arent likely to do that. i actually saw an article that some company is going to require HDD on 360 for its game. brave move brave move indeed.

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Originally Posted by Ciaran_

Thats not what they said, they were saying that DVD9 is "more than we need to create a fabulous experience" but its a limiting factor of the 360. Just like every other platform has limitations.

They can use the HDD if they want and make it compulsory if they need it.

thats called F*ck up control. they f*cked up and now theyre like oh ye whatever, its not a problem. the fact still stands they hit the limit and were like oh ****

**Adiuvo** · 08-02-2007, 07:41 AM

Looks like it does cause limitations.

BTW: Point of thread?

**twelve** · 08-02-2007, 08:01 AM

Yes the DVD will have limits but atm PGR4 is not suffering because of them.

MS may very well turn around and decide to use the HD-DVD drive for extra storage (especially if they're going to live up to their 5 year plan). They may well have said that they wont use HD-DVD for games but they also said that they wont have HDMI, look what happened there.

**Adiuvo** · 08-02-2007, 08:04 AM

Point is, it will eventually causes limitations. Whether these limitations will manifest themselves in the coming years I don't know. However, as said by Rockstar, it apparently already does.

PGR4 is a 360 exclusive thus made to run on only that machine. With GTA4 however, you have to accomodate for two systems, one having more storage then the other. If they want to live up to one console's best then they'll have to dumb down it for the other one, simply due to space issues.

**Ciaran_** · 08-02-2007, 08:29 AM

No one here is arguing that it doesn't create limitations...

The only point that was made that DVD9 is big enough to make great games with which has been shown beyond doubt.

**Sinfulfate** · 08-02-2007, 08:38 AM

Mass Effect looks to be one of the best video games of this generation and it fits on a single DVD9 disk.

Nuff said.

**twelve** · 08-02-2007, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinfulfate

Mass Effect looks to be one of the best video games of this generation and it fits on a single DVD9 disk.

Nuff said.

I <3 you.

**Synyster gates** · 08-02-2007, 08:55 AM

DVD9 isn't cutting it anymore. But of course "not forcing formats on the consumer" is more desirable then forcing a crapped out game on the them.

**user friendly** · 08-02-2007, 09:12 AM

To answer the thread title, it isn't more than enough. It's just.... enough. Blu ray is more than enough.

A great experience can still be had and great games will still come out. I just hope that it doesn't affect the multiplatform games on PS3 any more than it already has.

**z3ddicus** · 08-02-2007, 09:27 AM

First I just wanna say thanks to Phil for his comments. I think what is going to happen in the future is that we are going to see more games that require the harddrive to play. Final Fantasy XI was one of the first 360 games and it requires the HDD. I posted this because everyone was making a big deal about PGR4 not having nighttime and using it to bash the 360.

**user friendly** · 08-02-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by z3ddicus

I posted this because everyone was making a big deal about PGR4 not having nighttime and using it to bash the 360.

Nobody was bashing PGR4, I like the PGR series and I don't think this one will be a step back or anything, it's going to look great no matter what.

**Sinfulfate** · 08-02-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by z3ddicus

First I just wanna say thanks to Phil for his comments. I think what is going to happen in the future is that we are going to see more games that require the harddrive to play. Final Fantasy XI was one of the first 360 games and it requires the HDD. I posted this because everyone was making a big deal about PGR4 not having nighttime and using it to bash the 360.

FF XI requires a harddrive becasue its a MMO. Most if not all MMO's require a Harddrive.

**twelve** · 08-02-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinfulfate

FF XI requires a harddrive becasue its a MMO. Most if not all MMO's require a Harddrive.

Does PSU use the Hard Drive?

I dunno why they dont make more games require the Hard Drive. I'm sure almost anyone can get a 20GB HDD cheap now the Elite and 120GB drive is out.

Especially if they can force games to 60Hz. Thinking about it:

Game requires Hard Drive: You have to buy a Hard Drive
Game requires 60Hz: You may have to get a new TV.

**whitehawk** · 08-02-2007, 09:43 AM

Call of Duty 4 also 'Requires Memory Storage'. Not sure if it only needs a memory card or a hardrive.

Call of Duty 4 Boxart

@Phil
No offense, but you must be retarded if you think Microsoft will start using the HD-DVD drive for games.

**user friendly** · 08-02-2007, 09:45 AM

They never should have released the Core pack. They should make the HDD dirt cheap, then the devs could utilaze it without being worried about their customer.

**twelve** · 08-02-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by whitehawk

No offense, but you must be retarded if you think Microsoft will start using the HD-DVD drive for games.

MS said they would "NEVER" bring out a 360 with an HDMI port.
MS have said they will "NEVER" use the HD-DVD drive for games.

See what I'm getting at? It's very feasible that if 3rd party games start switching away from 360 because of DVD9 limitations then MS will have no choice but to use the HD-DVD drive for games. Personally I hope they do, it might make buying one a bit more viable.

**Realn0whereman** · 08-02-2007, 10:22 AM

can usb transfer adequate speeds to play games?

**twelve** · 08-02-2007, 10:29 AM

USB 2.0 has a raw data rate of 480MB/s

SATA is only 150MB/s

edit: altho this chart begs to differ:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...external_buses

**Sinfulfate** · 08-02-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil

Does PSU use the Hard Drive?

Nope but PSU isnt a "real" MMO.

**Ciaran_** · 08-02-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil

USB 2.0 has a raw data rate of 480MB/s

SATA is only 150MB/s

edit: altho this chart begs to differ:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...external_buses

USB 2.0 = 480Mb or 60MB
SATA = 1200 - 2400Mb or 150MB - 300MB

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MS said they would "NEVER" bring out a 360 with an HDMI port.

Source? Don't remember them saying that.

**Sinfulfate** · 08-02-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil

MS said they would "NEVER" bring out a 360 with an HDMI port.
MS have said they will "NEVER" use the HD-DVD drive for games.

See what I'm getting at? It's very feasible that if 3rd party games start switching away from 360 because of DVD9 limitations then MS will have no choice but to use the HD-DVD drive for games. Personally I hope they do, it might make buying one a bit more viable.

When did they say that?

**user friendly** · 08-02-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciaran_

Source? Don't remember that.

I remember them saying it wasn't needed, when referring to the PS3. Even with the Elite they didn't pu the proper HDMI in it.

**Ciaran_** · 08-02-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by user friendly

I remember them saying it wasn't needed, when referring to the PS3. Even with the Elite they didn't pu the proper HDMI in it.

Why pay more for HDMI 1.3 when the only difference is Dolby TrueHD support, the 360 doesn't support TrueHD.

**user friendly** · 08-02-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciaran_

Why pay more for HDMI 1.3 when the only difference is Dolby TrueHD support, the 360 doesn't support TrueHD.

Because that's not the only difference...

**Realn0whereman** · 08-02-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil

USB 2.0 has a raw data rate of 480MB/s

SATA is only 150MB/s

edit: altho this chart begs to differ:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...external_buses

lol i almost **** my pants. thx ciaran

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Originally Posted by Ciaran_

USB 2.0 = 480Mb or 60MB
SATA = 1200 - 2400Mb or 150MB - 300MB

Source? Don't remember them saying that.

**user friendly** · 08-02-2007, 10:56 AM

Much higher bandwidth, allows for deep colour (when used) and a higher resolution is possible. Sony made this thing almost 100% future proof. Still needs games though.

08-02-2007, 03:59 AM	#1
z3ddicus Xbox/Xbox 360 Fanboy z3ddicus Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 518 Trader Feedback: 0	DVD9 is more than big enough I think everyone needs to read this. http://xbox360.qj.net/DVD9-is-more-t...g/49/aid/99011

08-02-2007, 04:37 AM	#2
Realn0whereman Mindless Self Indulgence Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: afk Posts: 7,212 Trader Feedback: 0	[action=Realn0whereman]sigh[/action] excuses excuses. the fact of the matter is, is that they couldnt fit certain **** onto the dvd and it needed to be cut. to not make fans angry they are now say "YE? SO? we were gonna do that anyways and its better this way". oh and lets not forget the lack of a harddrive too. __________________ PSN:realn0whereman NEW MSI ALBUM APRIL 29TH: IF orgasm

08-02-2007, 07:41 AM	#6
Adiuvo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 24,900 Trader Feedback: 0	Looks like it does cause limitations. BTW: Point of thread? __________________ If you ever need me, you can contact me at [URL="********.net"]********.net.[/URL]

08-02-2007, 08:01 AM	#7
twelve Muffin Love n Lemon Join Date: Jul 2005 Real First Name: Phil Location: Surrey, UK Just Played: Why is this mandatory? Posts: 11,734 Trader Feedback: 0	Yes the DVD will have limits but atm PGR4 is not suffering because of them. MS may very well turn around and decide to use the HD-DVD drive for extra storage (especially if they're going to live up to their 5 year plan). They may well have said that they wont use HD-DVD for games but they also said that they wont have HDMI, look what happened there. Last edited by Phil; 08-02-2007 at 09:36 AM..

08-02-2007, 08:04 AM	#8
Adiuvo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 24,900 Trader Feedback: 0	Point is, it will eventually causes limitations. Whether these limitations will manifest themselves in the coming years I don't know. However, as said by Rockstar, it apparently already does. PGR4 is a 360 exclusive thus made to run on only that machine. With GTA4 however, you have to accomodate for two systems, one having more storage then the other. If they want to live up to one console's best then they'll have to dumb down it for the other one, simply due to space issues. __________________ If you ever need me, you can contact me at [URL="********.net"]*******.net.[/URL] Last edited by Phil; 08-02-2007 at 09:37 AM..*

08-02-2007, 08:29 AM	#9
Ciaran_ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 4,226 Trader Feedback: 0	No one here is arguing that it doesn't create limitations... The only point that was made that DVD9 is big enough to make great games with which has been shown beyond doubt.

08-02-2007, 08:38 AM	#10
Sinfulfate Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: End of the World Posts: 5,150 Trader Feedback: 0	Mass Effect looks to be one of the best video games of this generation and it fits on a single DVD9 disk. Nuff said.

08-02-2007, 08:55 AM	#12
Synyster gates Wake up the sleepers. Join Date: Jun 2005 Real First Name: Esteban Location: Dayton, Ohio. Just Played: Need For Speed: Shift Posts: 433 Trader Feedback: 0	DVD9 isn't cutting it anymore. But of course "not forcing formats on the consumer" is more desirable then forcing a crapped out game on the them.

08-02-2007, 09:12 AM	#13
user friendly Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,228 Trader Feedback: 0	To answer the thread title, it isn't more than enough. It's just.... enough. Blu ray is more than enough. A great experience can still be had and great games will still come out. I just hope that it doesn't affect the multiplatform games on PS3 any more than it already has.

08-02-2007, 09:27 AM	#14
z3ddicus Xbox/Xbox 360 Fanboy z3ddicus Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 518 Trader Feedback: 0	First I just wanna say thanks to Phil for his comments. I think what is going to happen in the future is that we are going to see more games that require the harddrive to play. Final Fantasy XI was one of the first 360 games and it requires the HDD. I posted this because everyone was making a big deal about PGR4 not having nighttime and using it to bash the 360.

08-02-2007, 09:45 AM	#19
user friendly Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,228 Trader Feedback: 0	They never should have released the Core pack. They should make the HDD dirt cheap, then the devs could utilaze it without being worried about their customer.

08-02-2007, 10:22 AM	#21
Realn0whereman Mindless Self Indulgence Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: afk Posts: 7,212 Trader Feedback: 0	can usb transfer adequate speeds to play games? __________________ PSN:realn0whereman NEW MSI ALBUM APRIL 29TH: IF orgasm

08-02-2007, 10:29 AM	#22
twelve Muffin Love n Lemon Join Date: Jul 2005 Real First Name: Phil Location: Surrey, UK Just Played: Why is this mandatory? Posts: 11,734 Trader Feedback: 0	USB 2.0 has a raw data rate of 480MB/s SATA is only 150MB/s edit: altho this chart begs to differ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...external_buses

08-02-2007, 10:56 AM	#30
user friendly Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,228 Trader Feedback: 0	Much higher bandwidth, allows for deep colour (when used) and a higher resolution is possible. Sony made this thing almost 100% future proof. Still needs games though.

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