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**Nightcrawler** · 05-04-2008, 12:17 PM

Just over a month ago, we reported that Lite-On was supposedly developing an internal Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360. While that report has yet to be debunked or confirmed, another report today indicates that an Xbox 360 equipped with an internal Blu-ray drive could very well be on the way this year, even if it doesn't come from Lite-On.

According to the Chinese newspaper Economic Daily News, Asustek subsidiary Pegatron Technology has received orders directly from Microsoft to assemble a new Xbox 360 equipped with an internal Blu-ray drive.

As if that news weren't big enough, here's the real shocker: the new Xbox 360s with internal Blu-ray drives are scheduled to ship between July and September this year.

Although Microsoft has not commented on the report, the console manufacturer likely wouldn't make any sort of announcement like this until closer to -- or at -- E3 in July anyway. DailyGame will be attending E3 2008, so we will certainly bring news of any such Blu-ray announcement as it is made.

A Blu-ray equipped Xbox 360 would make sense for this holiday season, as Blu-ray is now the only high-definition movie format. Microsoft had previously supported HD-DVD, which lost out to Blu-ray in the high-definition format war. With HD-DVD now out of the picture, Microsoft's inclusion of a Blu-ray drive would make perfect business sense.

However, if the Xbox 360 ends up including an internal Blu-ray drive, as it appears it will, it will mark the first time one console manufacturer has reaped benefits from the sales of another. Sony, the developers of Blu-ray Disc technology, will presumably earn residual income from every Xbox 360 sold that uses Sony's proprietary hardware.

**Sullivan** · 05-04-2008, 12:44 PM

And if Sony makes a smart choice on this, they will make it where they charge Microsoft to the point where the 360 and the PS3 are about the same price.

**Cooguy1212** · 05-04-2008, 12:53 PM

Ah! Microsoft is cheating. But, will the 360 have good graphics like the PS3 with blu-ray?

**Adiuvo** · 05-04-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooguy1212

Ah! Microsoft is cheating. But, will the 360 have good graphics like the PS3 with blu-ray?

It will, but lossless sound won't be possible without a revision to the motherboard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sullivan

And if Sony makes a smart choice on this, they will make it where they charge Microsoft to the point where the 360 and the PS3 are about the same price.

Of course it will if this happens. Blu-Ray drives are much more expensive than DVD drives and it will surely drive the cost up.

**Sullivan** · 05-04-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adiuvo

It will, but lossless sound won't be possible without a revision to the motherboard.

Of course it will if this happens. Blu-Ray drives are much more expensive than DVD drives and it will surely drive the cost up.

Ya but sony could make it to the point where 360's are more expensive, only if Microsoft is desperate.

**Adiuvo** · 05-04-2008, 01:09 PM

That won't happen. MS isn't stupid and they really won't be gaining all that much by adding in a blu-ray drive to warrant the 360 costing more. I doubt many movie buffs are going to be rushing to get another 360 just for Blu-Ray. Most would have gotten a standalone by now.

**Sullivan** · 05-04-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adiuvo

That won't happen. MS isn't stupid and they really won't be gaining all that much by adding in a blu-ray drive to warrant the 360 costing more.

True, but there might be people out there that would prefer a 360 over a PS3 with BluRay for the same price.

BTW, Adiuvo, are you getting GTA: IV?

**Adiuvo** · 05-04-2008, 01:17 PM

Eventually. Bit tied up on money right now.

**Synyster gates** · 05-04-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Adiuvo

It will, but lossless sound won't be possible without a revision to the motherboard.

They need to revise the whole ****ing system every time you turn around another 360 is pushing up daisies .

**Chathurga** · 05-04-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Adiuvo

It will, but lossless sound won't be possible without a revision to the motherboard.

How so?

**Cooguy1212** · 05-04-2008, 02:33 PM

Different motherboard manufacturing

**Vanden** · 05-04-2008, 02:43 PM

You do realize that a Microsoft Codec is required For Blu-Ray Players.So if anything they might get a better deal...

Also this is just a rumor and nothing official... This may or may not happen but at the end of the day it not that huge of a detail most wont spend over 200 for a blu ray drive...

**afiser** · 05-04-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chathurga

How so?

current motherboard lacks sufficent hardware to take up such a task.

**Vee** · 05-04-2008, 03:25 PM

Wait, can Microsoft do this? Can they half way through their console year, start shipping consoles with new drives?

What are games going to be on? Blu-Ray? If thats the case, that means everyone who doesnt buy a new console..cant play the new games..

I'm confused, are microsoft trying to rip everyone off again?

**Ciaran_** · 05-04-2008, 03:28 PM

No where mentions they'll be putting games on them.

If they are going to do it, it will be purely to play Blu-ray movies.

**Extreme_Dude23** · 05-04-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

Xbox 360 with Blu-ray Coming in 2008, Says Manufacturer

No.

Blu-ray is Sony's turf, I don't think MS will get BD for 360, there more of an HDDVD company, but I highly doubt it.

**Nightcrawler** · 05-04-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Extreme_Dude23

No.

Blu-ray is Sony's turf, I don't think MS will get BD for 360, there more of an HDDVD company, but I highly doubt it.

HDDVD is dead Blue-ray won the format war

**Ciaran_** · 05-04-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Extreme_Dude23

No.

Blu-ray is Sony's turf, I don't think MS will get BD for 360, there more of an HDDVD company, but I highly doubt it.

No reason for this not to happen. HD-DVD is completely out of the equation now, Sony have more to benefit from licensing Blu-ray to Microsoft than trying to keep the PS3 as the only Blu-ray playing console.

**Adiuvo** · 05-04-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Knifey-Spoony

You do realize that a Microsoft Codec is required For Blu-Ray Players.So if anything they might get a better deal...

Also this is just a rumor and nothing official... This may or may not happen but at the end of the day it not that huge of a detail most wont spend over 200 for a blu ray drive...

VC1 hasn't been used for Blu-Ray releases since HD-DVD died, and even then it was used only in Warner ones. AVC is far superior to it.

VC1 isn't primarily MS software either. It has it's roots from a number of companies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vee

Wait, can Microsoft do this? Can they half way through their console year, start shipping consoles with new drives?

What are games going to be on? Blu-Ray? If thats the case, that means everyone who doesnt buy a new console..cant play the new games..

I'm confused, are microsoft trying to rip everyone off again?

Most likely this will be a whole new SKU and there will be choices. Games will still be on DVD, as this is just for movies.

**Captain Bodymod** · 05-04-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooguy1212

Ah! Microsoft is cheating. But, will the 360 have good graphics like the PS3 with blu-ray?

The 360 already had "good" graphics.

**Ralan** · 05-04-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainGingerbeard

The 360 already had "good" graphics.

Actually the 360's Xenon is a good bit more powerful than the PS3's GPU.

**Sullivan** · 05-04-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vee

Wait, can Microsoft do this? Can they half way through their console year, start shipping consoles with new drives?

What are games going to be on? Blu-Ray? If thats the case, that means everyone who doesnt buy a new console..cant play the new games..

I'm confused, are microsoft trying to rip everyone off again?

(DIDN'T READ PREVIOUS POSTS, SORRY)

**Ciaran_** · 05-04-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sullivan

No, still DVD-DL

Thanks for that, two people have already posted that before you.

Haven't you been warned about parrot posting in the past.

**Sullivan** · 05-04-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralan

Actually the 360's Xenon is a good bit more powerful than the PS3's GPU.

Really? I thought the PS3's RSX was more powerful.

**Nightcrawler** · 05-04-2008, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralan

Actually the 360's Xenon is a good bit more powerful than the PS3's GPU.

here is a little bit of info that the people who are trying to pass along wrong info about the playstation 3's memory compared to the xbox360's..well straight from the horses @ss

remember people always talking about the
XBOX360 has "unified memory" an the playstation 3 does not... Grin

what is unified memory:

look at my post very carefully...

the xbox360's is 48 billion shader opps.....

Numbers

Now that we have given an overview to the main parts of the Xbox 360, it is time to bring in some numbers. The Xbox 360 GPU holds the memory controller, which is connected to the three-core CPU by a 22GB/sec bus, and to the SouthBridge (designed by SiS) and I/O controller via a 2-lane PCI-Express link. As we mentioned above, the eDRAM has a 256GB/sec bandwidth and is connected to the GPU via a wide bus running at 2GHz.

The Xbox 360 uses GDDR3 memory, which requires less power and runs cooler than previous memory types, running at 700 MHz with a 256-bit memory interface bus that has a bandwidth of 22.4 GB/sec. This memory is equally accessible to both the VPU and CPU, conforming what is known as unified memory architecture (UMA) configuration.

The polygon performance of the Xbox 360 is as high as 500 million triangles per second, which means the Xbox 360 can process aproximately 1.2 billion vertices per second. In comparison, the GeForce 6800 Ultra can process 600 million vertices per second. Want more numbers? The Xbox 360 has a pixel fillrate of 16 gigasamples per second using 4X multisampling anti-aliasing (MSAA) and a shader performance of 48 billion shader operations per second.

http://features.xbotland/xbox/11...-Dissected/p6/

notice this:

QUOTE:
This memory is equally accessible to both the VPU and CPU, conforming what is known as unified memory architecture (UMA) configuration.

you do know the playstation 3 operates the same way.....Cheesy ...the split of the GPU 256 an the CPU 256 can be used by the CELL OR THE RSX...Cheesy

an its :
playstation 3 = 100 billion shader operations per sec
compared to
xbox360's = 48 billion shader operations per sec

so no the GPU IS NOT AS POWERFULL AS THE PLAYSTATION 3's

**Cooguy1212** · 05-04-2008, 06:01 PM

DANG!!! 360 got pwned. nice post NightCrawler.

**Adiuvo** · 05-04-2008, 06:03 PM

Shaders aren't the only thing. What about AA? The 360 handles that miles better than the PS3, due to it having 10MB of embedded RAM in the GPU. Because of that most people give the edge to the Xenos instead of the RSX, but the cell more than makes up for it.

**Ciaran_** · 05-05-2008, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

QUOTE:
This memory is equally accessible to both the VPU and CPU, conforming what is known as unified memory architecture (UMA) configuration.

you do know the playstation 3 operates the same way.....Cheesy ...the split of the GPU 256 an the CPU 256 can be used by the CELL OR THE RSX...Cheesy

No its not, the cell has minimal access to the RSX memory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

an its :
playstation 3 = 100 billion shader operations per sec
compared to
xbox360's = 48 billion shader operations per sec

Xenox - 136 shader operations per clock
RSX - 196 floating operations per clock

**Chathurga** · 05-05-2008, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afiser

current motherboard lacks sufficent hardware to take up such a task.

I see... did you know that makes no sense at all?

Adiuvo: Do you even know what lossless audio is?

**Ciaran_** · 05-05-2008, 04:09 AM

Why doesn't that make sense?

He just means the APU in the 360 can't handle lossless.

05-04-2008, 12:17 PM	#1
Nightcrawler Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,014 Trader Feedback: 0	Xbox 360 with Blu-ray Coming in 2008, Says Manufacturer Just over a month ago, we reported that Lite-On was supposedly developing an internal Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360. While that report has yet to be debunked or confirmed, another report today indicates that an Xbox 360 equipped with an internal Blu-ray drive could very well be on the way this year, even if it doesn't come from Lite-On. According to the Chinese newspaper Economic Daily News, Asustek subsidiary Pegatron Technology has received orders directly from Microsoft to assemble a new Xbox 360 equipped with an internal Blu-ray drive. As if that news weren't big enough, here's the real shocker: the new Xbox 360s with internal Blu-ray drives are scheduled to ship between July and September this year. Although Microsoft has not commented on the report, the console manufacturer likely wouldn't make any sort of announcement like this until closer to -- or at -- E3 in July anyway. DailyGame will be attending E3 2008, so we will certainly bring news of any such Blu-ray announcement as it is made. A Blu-ray equipped Xbox 360 would make sense for this holiday season, as Blu-ray is now the only high-definition movie format. Microsoft had previously supported HD-DVD, which lost out to Blu-ray in the high-definition format war. With HD-DVD now out of the picture, Microsoft's inclusion of a Blu-ray drive would make perfect business sense. However, if the Xbox 360 ends up including an internal Blu-ray drive, as it appears it will, it will mark the first time one console manufacturer has reaped benefits from the sales of another. Sony, the developers of Blu-ray Disc technology, will presumably earn residual income from every Xbox 360 sold that uses Sony's proprietary hardware.

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Sullivan Enter Custom Title Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,349 Trader Feedback: 0	And if Sony makes a smart choice on this, they will make it where they charge Microsoft to the point where the 360 and the PS3 are about the same price. __________________ PSN: TrueDef AIM: TrueDef91 Prestige 7 On COD4

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Cooguy1212 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hyrule Posts: 626 Trader Feedback: 0	Ah! Microsoft is cheating. But, will the 360 have good graphics like the PS3 with blu-ray? __________________ PSN-Cooguy1212 feel free add me [QUOTE]Anyways, Obama won. Suck it up sore loser. Now go ahead and leave your country like you said you would so nobody has to endure your crap any longer. Just please dear god don't come to Canada. Nobody would welcome you here with your close-minded bull****.[/QUOTE]

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Adiuvo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 24,900 Trader Feedback: 0	That won't happen. MS isn't stupid and they really won't be gaining all that much by adding in a blu-ray drive to warrant the 360 costing more. I doubt many movie buffs are going to be rushing to get another 360 just for Blu-Ray. Most would have gotten a standalone by now. __________________ If you ever need me, you can contact me at [URL="********.net"]********.net.[/URL]

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Adiuvo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 24,900 Trader Feedback: 0	Eventually. Bit tied up on money right now. __________________ If you ever need me, you can contact me at [URL="********.net"]********.net.[/URL]

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Cooguy1212 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hyrule Posts: 626 Trader Feedback: 0	Different motherboard manufacturing __________________ PSN-Cooguy1212 feel free add me [QUOTE]Anyways, Obama won. Suck it up sore loser. Now go ahead and leave your country like you said you would so nobody has to endure your crap any longer. Just please dear god don't come to Canada. Nobody would welcome you here with your close-minded bull****.[/QUOTE]

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Vanden Join Date: Aug 2005 Real First Name: Vanden Location: Vandenland Just Played: Marval 1 Posts: 11,489 Trader Feedback: 0	You do realize that a Microsoft Codec is required For Blu-Ray Players.So if anything they might get a better deal... Also this is just a rumor and nothing official... This may or may not happen but at the end of the day it not that huge of a detail most wont spend over 200 for a blu ray drive... __________________ You know where to find me.

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Vee Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 4,518 Trader Feedback: 0	Wait, can Microsoft do this? Can they half way through their console year, start shipping consoles with new drives? What are games going to be on? Blu-Ray? If thats the case, that means everyone who doesnt buy a new console..cant play the new games.. I'm confused, are microsoft trying to rip everyone off again? __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/396/picture0068367212vg9.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]

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Ciaran_ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 4,226 Trader Feedback: 0	No where mentions they'll be putting games on them. If they are going to do it, it will be purely to play Blu-ray movies.

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Cooguy1212 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hyrule Posts: 626 Trader Feedback: 0	DANG!!! 360 got pwned. nice post NightCrawler. __________________ PSN-Cooguy1212 feel free add me [QUOTE]Anyways, Obama won. Suck it up sore loser. Now go ahead and leave your country like you said you would so nobody has to endure your crap any longer. Just please dear god don't come to Canada. Nobody would welcome you here with your close-minded bull****.[/QUOTE]

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Adiuvo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 24,900 Trader Feedback: 0	Shaders aren't the only thing. What about AA? The 360 handles that miles better than the PS3, due to it having 10MB of embedded RAM in the GPU. Because of that most people give the edge to the Xenos instead of the RSX, but the cell more than makes up for it. __________________ If you ever need me, you can contact me at [URL="********.net"]********.net.[/URL]

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Ciaran_ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 4,226 Trader Feedback: 0	Why doesn't that make sense? He just means the APU in the 360 can't handle lossless.