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**EM1L** · 11-13-2005, 04:01 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000133067806/
What do you guys think?

**vecha** · 11-13-2005, 04:10 PM

I think its accurate...i don't know why so many think Xbox should be the same as GC.

**Synyster gates** · 11-13-2005, 04:21 PM

it seems very fair to me

**Brymo** · 11-13-2005, 05:06 PM

Well i personally have bought two playstations because one broke. Wonder how that went into play.

**MasterMagneto** · 11-13-2005, 05:08 PM

Not to sound negative, but im sure thats where alot of ps2 sales came from, cant count on that thing for jack lol, otherwise i think it's accurate.

**Synyster gates** · 11-13-2005, 05:10 PM

i just brought a new lens

**vecha** · 11-13-2005, 05:11 PM

i had to buy 3 new ps2s....

**Zx30** · 11-13-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto3521

Not to sound negative, but im sure thats where alot of ps2 sales came from, cant count on that thing for jack lol, otherwise i think it's accurate.

Ah yes..I also remember this..
I heard that the PS2 perpously dies out on you after 2 years or so of purchase(stupid laser lens)..Having you wasted 150 or so for a new one(also right around the time the new slim ps2 luanched..COINCIDENCE?)or send it to sony to "fix it" for around 100 bucks.

Well anyways, it was safe to assume you got the..FAILED to show game or whatever error..and what a dreaded error it was..

Thankfully, i found a way to fix it..Thanks to this site..
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed...s2.ars/1?51054
After i did all this..Everything worked like a charm..Beautifull..I continued playing my Gt4...W00t!
Later that month..I decided to sell it with a few games, controls, and memory cards for 70 bucks..That moment i realized...The ps2 was useless...No games on it intrested me..and it was time to let go...And it really didnt matter to me that i sold it..i won it in a Gran Turismo contest! Was 12 years old at the time...
The ps2 was a huge let down for me...The ps3 looks even crappier.

**vecha** · 11-13-2005, 05:31 PM

i hope the 360, ps3, or revo is not made cheaply.

**comradx** · 11-13-2005, 06:26 PM

seems more likely its for NA only. but even then the #'s dont quite seem to add up. i doubt they have the resources to count the replacement ps2's. i cant see these being accurate to be hoenst UNLESS they somehow did get the replacement #'s and i doubt they did.

**comradx** · 11-13-2005, 06:28 PM

its also worth noting that a significant amount of ps2's were replacemetns. too many to easily keep track of no matter who you are. let alone some random firm. anyone remember back when capcom accused sony of making faulty ps2's on purpose?

**Synyster gates** · 11-13-2005, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vecha

i hope the 360, ps3, or revo is not made cheaply.

sony has a habit of making faulty systems, and now that they are using a new format, you can almost be sure it's going to break

**vecha** · 11-13-2005, 06:32 PM

I don't want to sound racist...but most japanese products(that i've owned) seem to break...and from what i read around...japan has more faulty products...this may be totally untrue and i'm just an unlucky *******...but i'd hate to say it...the ps2(for me at least) fell in that stereo type...

and i really hope you are wrong T-baggins(not saying you are or trying to be a smart ass) but i really hope no system requires me to fork money out.

http://www.PS2Settlement.com

take a read at that...

if they do the same with ps3....sony will fall

**EM1L** · 11-13-2005, 06:34 PM

I had to buy 2 ps2s as well...

**Synyster gates** · 11-13-2005, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vecha

I don't want to sound racist...but most japanese products(that i've owned) seem to break...and from what i read around...japan has more faulty products...this may be totally untrue and i'm just an unlucky *******...but i'd hate to say it...the ps2(for me at least) fell in that stereo type...

and i really hope you are wrong T-baggins(not saying you are or trying to be a smart ass) but i really hope no system requires me to fork money out.

http://www.PS2Settlement.com

take a read at that...

if they do the same with ps3....sony will fall

i hope i'm wrong too

**MasterMagneto** · 11-14-2005, 07:03 AM

Just so happens my favorite current gen (the gamecube) is the most durable. That thing has been through hell and i havent had a problem yet.

**kakarot133** · 11-14-2005, 01:58 PM

I've noticed that with the "Disc Read Error", it was just dust on the lens. I had a launch day unit that did that after about a year, cracked it open and noticed a fair amount of dust sitting on the lens. Ran a laser cleaner and it worked like new, but then later I noticed that it would only take a couple months for dust to accumulate again. Then something happened. I tripped over the controller cord and messed up the controller port. Got a new one, and it did the same thing with the error, but I messed that one up from taking it apart too much. One of those stupid ribbon cables got pinched and fried the motherboard, so I'm on my 3rd one. Had it for about 2 years or so, and no errors or any problems...

**Visualizer** · 11-14-2005, 02:05 PM

The numbers seem about right. Although I pictured Nintendo fairing slightly better. But the Revolution should pick them up a bit back onto their feet. As to faulty PS2's, I never actually owned one but I had friends who always were talking about how theirs would bug out from time to time. Not actually breaking but just things like not reading the discs and otehr minor annoyances.

**At∀RaҖiA** · 11-14-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visualizer

The numbers seem about right. Although I pictured Nintendo fairing slightly better. But the Revolution should pick them up a bit back onto their feet. As to faulty PS2's, I never actually owned one but I had friends who always were talking about how theirs would bug out from time to time. Not actually breaking but just things like not reading the discs and otehr minor annoyances.

Nintendo didn't do as well because their consoles don't break. whilst Sony and Microsoft's consoles do break. bringing their systems total sales up.

**Visualizer** · 11-14-2005, 02:35 PM

Yea. Nintendo does make their systems out of quality stuff (although they kind of downgraded a bit off with GCN, it doesn't seem to be made out of as tough).

**Vanden** · 11-14-2005, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magneto3521

Just so happens my favorite current gen (the gamecube) is the most durable. That thing has been through hell and i havent had a problem yet.

yea i droped mine about 3 times from mybe 7 feet and it still works fine but lets see what happens to a ps2 broke in half and my xobx would kill the floor lol

**kakarot133** · 11-14-2005, 08:14 PM

I saw something on XPlay a while back and they tested all three consoles durability. I remember the PS2 failed the first test, while the Xbox and GameCube passed. (I can't remember the tests though) Only the Gamecube survived the last test: A 10 or 15 foot drop onto a concrete floor. The disc cover was a little broken but it booted up just fine.

You also gotta remember Nintendo's core audience, the 9-10 year olds. You know how they can be, so Nintendo builds these things to last.

Actually I remember I had this issue lying around and figure I'd scan this article for you. It shows you the durability of the GBA:

**MasterMagneto** · 11-15-2005, 02:08 PM

I wouldnt say their core audiences are 10 year olds at all. Nintendo systems DONT HAVE a core audience, thats what makes em so great. No matter who you are you can pick up the gamecube controller and have a good time. The same cant be said for the other systems...

**kakarot133** · 11-15-2005, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magneto3521

I wouldnt say their core audiences are 10 year olds at all. Nintendo systems DONT HAVE a core audience, thats what makes em so great. No matter who you are you can pick up the gamecube controller and have a good time. The same cant be said for the other systems...

Yeah, I mean, I have one, and I'm 20. But I'm just saying that they will be the biggest demographic to have one, since parents trust the Nintendo name and know that it won't have stuff like GTA, so it will be safe for thier kids...

**Joey** · 11-15-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kakarot133

Yeah, I mean, I have one, and I'm 20. But I'm just saying that they will be the biggest demographic to have one, since parents trust the Nintendo name and know that it won't have stuff like GTA, so it will be safe for thier kids...

Yeah, Nintendo is just smart... Making "E" games will get them more money in the end...

I don't know why people think if something is "Kiddie" it must suck... Hell, one of my favorite games ever is Aladdin... A game made from a Disney movie... Fun as hell... It may be kiddie, but it's fun... The most important factor of a video game...

**MasterMagneto** · 11-15-2005, 03:21 PM

Alladdin is one of my favorite movies. I LOVE the disney movies, do i hide that? No. Some people are just insecure with themselves, dont feel 'manly' unless theyre playing an M rated game, even if it sucks. Pathetic. Gamecube had some of the most fun games ive seen in a long time, and alot of people missed out because of the E rating.

**T!dus_Beta** · 11-15-2005, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vecha

i hope the 360, ps3, or revo is not made cheaply.

like current gen :P

**davidjr1989** · 11-15-2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magneto3521

Not to sound negative, but im sure thats where alot of ps2 sales came from, cant count on that thing for jack lol, otherwise i think it's accurate.

Yup because million got the "DISK READ ERROR" bug. Damm i hate my fat ps2.

**MasterMagneto** · 11-15-2005, 07:28 PM

Believe me, the thin ps2 is no better. It's pathetic how they just cant seem to get it right. I hope the ps3 is better with that.

**Synyster gates** · 11-15-2005, 07:32 PM

i'll admit even though the gc is trash, it's definately more durable then the ps2 or xbox

11-13-2005, 04:01 PM	#1
EM1L Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,629 Trader Feedback: 0	The numbers are in... http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000133067806/ What do you guys think? __________________ [SIZE=3]ztype85 is dead in iraq:( [/SIZE]

11-13-2005, 05:08 PM	#5
MasterMagneto Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The HTP Posts: 4,511 Trader Feedback: 0	Not to sound negative, but im sure thats where alot of ps2 sales came from, cant count on that thing for jack lol, otherwise i think it's accurate. __________________ Meh.

11-13-2005, 06:34 PM	#14
EM1L Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,629 Trader Feedback: 0	I had to buy 2 ps2s as well... __________________ [SIZE=3]ztype85 is dead in iraq:( [/SIZE]

11-14-2005, 07:03 AM	#16
MasterMagneto Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The HTP Posts: 4,511 Trader Feedback: 0	Just so happens my favorite current gen (the gamecube) is the most durable. That thing has been through hell and i havent had a problem yet. __________________ Meh.

11-14-2005, 02:05 PM	#18
Visualizer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 834 Trader Feedback: 0	The numbers seem about right. Although I pictured Nintendo fairing slightly better. But the Revolution should pick them up a bit back onto their feet. As to faulty PS2's, I never actually owned one but I had friends who always were talking about how theirs would bug out from time to time. Not actually breaking but just things like not reading the discs and otehr minor annoyances. __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/FoolyCooly24/Shinsticketsig.png[/IMG][/CENTER]

11-13-2005, 04:10 PM	#2
vecha Loves The Playstation 3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,207 Trader Feedback: 0	I think its accurate...i don't know why so many think Xbox should be the same as GC.

11-13-2005, 04:21 PM	#3
Synyster gates Wake up the sleepers. Join Date: Jun 2005 Real First Name: Esteban Location: Dayton, Ohio. Just Played: Need For Speed: Shift Posts: 433 Trader Feedback: 0	it seems very fair to me

11-13-2005, 05:06 PM	#4
Brymo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 56 Trader Feedback: 0	Well i personally have bought two playstations because one broke. Wonder how that went into play.

11-13-2005, 05:10 PM	#6
Synyster gates Wake up the sleepers. Join Date: Jun 2005 Real First Name: Esteban Location: Dayton, Ohio. Just Played: Need For Speed: Shift Posts: 433 Trader Feedback: 0	i just brought a new lens

11-13-2005, 05:11 PM	#7
vecha Loves The Playstation 3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,207 Trader Feedback: 0	i had to buy 3 new ps2s....

11-13-2005, 05:31 PM	#9
vecha Loves The Playstation 3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,207 Trader Feedback: 0	i hope the 360, ps3, or revo is not made cheaply.

11-13-2005, 06:26 PM	#10
comradx Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 213 Trader Feedback: 0	seems more likely its for NA only. but even then the #'s dont quite seem to add up. i doubt they have the resources to count the replacement ps2's. i cant see these being accurate to be hoenst UNLESS they somehow did get the replacement #'s and i doubt they did.

11-13-2005, 06:28 PM	#11
comradx Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 213 Trader Feedback: 0	its also worth noting that a significant amount of ps2's were replacemetns. too many to easily keep track of no matter who you are. let alone some random firm. anyone remember back when capcom accused sony of making faulty ps2's on purpose?

11-13-2005, 06:32 PM	#13
vecha Loves The Playstation 3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,207 Trader Feedback: 0	I don't want to sound racist...but most japanese products(that i've owned) seem to break...and from what i read around...japan has more faulty products...this may be totally untrue and i'm just an unlucky *******...but i'd hate to say it...the ps2(for me at least) fell in that stereo type... and i really hope you are wrong T-baggins(not saying you are or trying to be a smart ass) but i really hope no system requires me to fork money out. http://www.PS2Settlement.com take a read at that... if they do the same with ps3....sony will fall

11-14-2005, 01:58 PM	#17
kakarot133 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 314 Trader Feedback: 0	I've noticed that with the "Disc Read Error", it was just dust on the lens. I had a launch day unit that did that after about a year, cracked it open and noticed a fair amount of dust sitting on the lens. Ran a laser cleaner and it worked like new, but then later I noticed that it would only take a couple months for dust to accumulate again. Then something happened. I tripped over the controller cord and messed up the controller port. Got a new one, and it did the same thing with the error, but I messed that one up from taking it apart too much. One of those stupid ribbon cables got pinched and fried the motherboard, so I'm on my 3rd one. Had it for about 2 years or so, and no errors or any problems...

11-14-2005, 02:35 PM	#20
Visualizer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 834 Trader Feedback: 0	Yea. Nintendo does make their systems out of quality stuff (although they kind of downgraded a bit off with GCN, it doesn't seem to be made out of as tough). __________________ [CENTER][IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/FoolyCooly24/Shinsticketsig.png[/IMG][/CENTER]

11-14-2005, 08:14 PM	#22
kakarot133 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 314 Trader Feedback: 0	I saw something on XPlay a while back and they tested all three consoles durability. I remember the PS2 failed the first test, while the Xbox and GameCube passed. (I can't remember the tests though) Only the Gamecube survived the last test: A 10 or 15 foot drop onto a concrete floor. The disc cover was a little broken but it booted up just fine. You also gotta remember Nintendo's core audience, the 9-10 year olds. You know how they can be, so Nintendo builds these things to last. Actually I remember I had this issue lying around and figure I'd scan this article for you. It shows you the durability of the GBA:

11-15-2005, 02:08 PM	#23
MasterMagneto Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The HTP Posts: 4,511 Trader Feedback: 0	I wouldnt say their core audiences are 10 year olds at all. Nintendo systems DONT HAVE a core audience, thats what makes em so great. No matter who you are you can pick up the gamecube controller and have a good time. The same cant be said for the other systems... __________________ Meh.

11-15-2005, 03:21 PM	#26
MasterMagneto Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The HTP Posts: 4,511 Trader Feedback: 0	Alladdin is one of my favorite movies. I LOVE the disney movies, do i hide that? No. Some people are just insecure with themselves, dont feel 'manly' unless theyre playing an M rated game, even if it sucks. Pathetic. Gamecube had some of the most fun games ive seen in a long time, and alot of people missed out because of the E rating. __________________ Meh.

11-15-2005, 07:28 PM	#29
MasterMagneto Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The HTP Posts: 4,511 Trader Feedback: 0	Believe me, the thin ps2 is no better. It's pathetic how they just cant seem to get it right. I hope the ps3 is better with that. __________________ Meh.

11-15-2005, 07:32 PM	#30
Synyster gates Wake up the sleepers. Join Date: Jun 2005 Real First Name: Esteban Location: Dayton, Ohio. Just Played: Need For Speed: Shift Posts: 433 Trader Feedback: 0	i'll admit even though the gc is trash, it's definately more durable then the ps2 or xbox

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